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10-20-2009, 01:46 PM
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"The article that Elsa posted says that Brook is also D. Duarte's relative. I believe this happens because Carlota Joaquina de Borbón, infanta of Spain, was the mother of D. Miguel e D. Pedro IV, King of Portugal and Emperor of Brazil... "
Not exactly.
People found out the Bourbon-Torlonia-Shields connection and immediately started saying that J.Carlos and D.Duarte are close cousins of Brooke Shields, forgetting that there is no close relation between the actress and the Royals.
In fact, Brooke’s grand mother Marina Torlonia was the youngest child of Marino Torlonia and an American named Elsie Moore.
Marino and Elsie’s firstborn was Alessandro, created pr. Of Civitella Cesi, who married Beatriz de Borbon, sister of the Count of Barcelona and Juan Carlos aunt.
There is no close common relation between Juan Carlos and Brooke, but either of them is a cousin of the descendants of Alessandro T & Beatriz de Borbon
So Juan Carlos is a cousin of a cousin of Brooke.
They have however many remote common ancestors :
http://roglo.eu/roglo?lang=pt;spouse=on;m=RL;i=212605;l1=10;i1=281527;l2=10;i2=281149;dag=on
http://roglo.eu/roglo?lang=pt;em=R;ei=281527;spouse=on;et=A;color=;i=281149
And the relation to D.Duarte:
http://roglo.eu/roglo?lang=pt;spouse=on;m=RL;i=212605;l1=9;i1=2624118;l2=10;i2=281527
http://roglo.eu/roglo?lang=pt&em=R&ei=2624118&m=NG&select=input&n=brooke+shields&t=PN&spouse=on&bd=0&color=&et=A
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10-30-2009, 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by JSP
People found out the Bourbon-Torlonia-Shields connection and immediately started saying that J.Carlos and D.Duarte are close cousins of Brooke Shields, forgetting that there is no close relation between the actress and the Royals.
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I didn't say King JC and Brook Shirlds are close cousins. In fact, the article says that they are cousins in "terceiro grau". They are not close cousins but they are still cousins lol
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01-15-2010, 02:46 PM
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Oooops
Should have count better.
D.Maria Francisca was still 53.
Her birthday was in September.
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Apparently some people are putting manarchic flags on some public buildings. the city hall of Lisbon had one for two days without people noticing it, and also at a city park the monarchic flag was flown.
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05-05-2010, 03:26 AM
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The way the Government is running things of late, a change might be in order sooner than they think. The flags being the first phase, I suspect.
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05-05-2010, 04:07 AM
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the city hall of Lisbon had one for two days without people noticing it, and also at a city park the monarchic flag was flown.
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Yes, Marengo, without people noticing it because people are very tolerant toward this kind of incidents, they don't mind. Trust me, even if the atheist group decided to flow a flag, people wouldn't say a word against it. I think portuguese people are very indifferent to everything, they don't simply care...
And it seems the republican politicians are very tolerant toward all this too lol.
Dom Duarte is 65+ years old, he won't be king, IMO. His son Afonso is so, so shy that I don't know if he likes the idea to be in spotlight.
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05-05-2010, 10:36 AM
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Yes, Marengo, without people noticing it because people are very tolerant toward this kind of incidents, they don't mind. Trust me, even if the atheist group decided to flow a flag, people wouldn't say a word against it. I think portuguese people are very indifferent to everything, they don't simply care...
And it seems the republican politicians are very tolerant toward all this too lol.
Dom Duarte is 65+ years old, he won't be king, IMO. His son Afonso is so, so shy that I don't know if he likes the idea to be in spotlight.
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I don't believe Dom Duarte is ever becoming King, nor his son.
I don't think Portugal will ever return to a monarchy system. Most people or all of them who knew what were the monarchy are dead, since for 100 years we don't have a king.
People don't mind about these incidents (though I agree with you Regina, we don't care about nearly everything, we start to care when it starts to bother our life, if it's "only" the country, it's no big deal  ) because most people don't see how would Portugal become a monarchy. If I had seen that I would laugh about it and maybe comment it, but wouldn't make a big deal out of it, because I don't think that the flags represent the will of most of portuguese people
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The monarchic movement is irrelevant in Portugal... the flags were hoisted by a small group who is taking a lift with the comemorations of the republic centenary. Most of them are mentors of this blog:
http://31daarmada.blogs.sapo.pt/
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05-13-2010, 09:56 AM
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02-01-2011, 06:41 AM
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Yesterday, January 31st, was Infanta Maria Adelaide de Bragança's 99th birthday.
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02-02-2011, 02:45 PM
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Thanks for evoking Infanta D. Maria Adelaide.
It is amazing to realize that she is "just" the gr.grand-daughter of King D.João VI (1767-1826) who had to fled to Brazil when Napoleon's troops invaded Portugal.
And that her cousin in the same degree was D.Pedro V (1837-61)
D. João VI --- D.Pedro IV --- D.Maria II ----- D.Pedro V
D. João VI --- D.Miguel I --- D.Miguel (II) --- D.Maria Adelaide
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05-24-2011, 02:56 PM
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Are they engaged?
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05-25-2011, 08:48 AM
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Are they engaged?
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His brother doesn't approve the relationshio, so I guess they will never get married 
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05-30-2011, 03:51 PM
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The Duke and Duchess of Bragança, along with Infantes D. Miguel and D. Henrique (with his girlfriend!) attended a ball at Hotel Palácio Estoril, with the proceeeds going to Centro Paroquial Sra Boa Nova.
Photos at the blog of Isabel Nogueira
INParties: Baile Madeira em Flor no Hotel Palácio Estoril
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Are they still dating/engaged? I hope if they do get married they get a pre-nup because she didn't fall in love with him for his looks....
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