Royal Family of Portugal 3: December 2007- - Page 5

Regina · #81 03-07-2009, 07:55 PM

I don't think D. Duarte and Dª Isabel attended the party, since Isabel Nogueira was never accepted by them. At least that's what I've heard, but I am not 100% sure if that's true.
D. Henrique's brother, D. Miguel attended the party. See first picture

Keith · #82 03-11-2009, 08:28 AM

Regina, I'm just curious...what are the backgrounds of the other people in the photographs?

Elsa M. · #83 03-11-2009, 02:57 PM

Well, basically they're socialites... people who are famous for nothing but attending parties...

Regina · #84 03-14-2009, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Keith

Regina, I'm just curious...what are the backgrounds of the other people in the photographs?

As Elsa said, just socialites. Well, Isabel Meirelles is a politician, but the rest of them do nothing interesting to be mentioned, Keith

Elsa M. · #85 04-26-2009, 12:01 PM

Canonização de Nuno Álvares reabre guerra de descendência - Portugal - DN

The descendants of D. Nuno Álvares Pereira (1360-1431) attended today the canonization of the Constable, at the Vatican. The family of the Duke of Cadaval (which keeps nowadays the surnames Álvares Pereira) was represented at the ceremony by Rosalinda, Diana and Alexandra deCadaval.

Meanwhile, the canonization of D. Nuno Álvares Pereira has awaken the "war" between royalists.

D. Duarte, who attended the ceremony as a representative of the Royal House, clains to be a direct descendent of the new saint, while Nuno da Câmara Pereira stated in a press release, that the only family which may representat the Saint is the family of his wife, D. Lusa de Sousa Coutinho.
Confrnted with the polemic, D. Duarte (who traveled to Rome accompanied by his wife and their three children) said that he is already accustomed to the attacks of Câmara Pereira and took the opportunity to remember that there are many families in Portugal that descend from D. Nuno Álvares Pereira.

Menarue · #86 04-26-2009, 12:17 PM

There are many families in Portugal descended from D.Nuno Alvares Pereira and I think it is very strange that Nuno da Camara Pereira should say what he did.
Who does he think the Duchess of Cadaval is descended from? This feud is getting ridiculous and if we can believe D.Duarte all stems from Nuno de Camara Pereira being denied the right to be entitled D.Nuno, for which he blamed D.Duarte.

Elsa M. · #87 04-26-2009, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Menarue

This feud is getting ridiculous and if we can believe D.Duarte all stems from Nuno de Camara Pereira being denied the right to be entitled D.Nuno, for which he blamed D.Duarte.

Yes quite ridiculous, especially considering that they're arguing about a non-reigning family, which doesn't even have the smallest chance to reign again

It is said that the reason behind Câmara Pereira's attitudes is that incident in the Nobility Counsel, when D. Duarte didn't allow the Câmara Pereira brothers to be styled "Dom"... go figure.

Menarue · #88 04-26-2009, 02:25 PM

I would just like to add some information about D.Nuno Alvares Pereira, his father had 26 children so there must be a lot of people related to him as well as descended from him.

Regina · #89 04-27-2009, 07:15 PM

I don't think Nuno da Câmara Pereira has right to talk this time. Dom Duarte was there as a representative of the Royal House (for those who accept him as that of course) not as D. Nuno Alvares Pereira representative.

They go to Rome to pray to their new saint, they say wonders about the humble life of this new roman-catholic saint but... they refuse to behave like he did! Going to the Vatican to discuss who should be the representative of D. Nuno is too much, IMO

We don't know the real reasons for this fight between Nuno and Duarte (since Nuno never told why he stopped supporting Duarte), but if the real reason is the "Dom" issue, that seems a silly reason, IMO.

For a real Christian, as Nuno and Duarte call themselves, the best and important title is to be called "child of God". All the rest is just blah, blah, blah.
As Elsa said, all this is getting ridiculous.

I wonder if Diana and Rosalinda talked to each other this time, I hope so. I like Diana very much but I would like to see her in good terms with her half-sister...

Elsa M. · #90 04-29-2009, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Regina

They go to Rome to pray to their new saint, they say wonders about the humble life of this new roman-catholic saint but... they refuse to behave like he did! Going to the Vatican to discuss who should be the representative of D. Nuno is too much, IMO

Indeed it is... the royalists should be ashamed of the political and ideological exploitation they are doing of D. Nuno and his canonization... The only thing they have accomplished with this was to transform a national hero into the banner of a petty monarchic cause.
No wonder the majority of the population didn't pay much attention to this canonization... if they wanted to transform a saint into a monarchic symbol (or worse: not even a symbol of all royalists)...
It's really too much

Keith · #91 05-07-2009, 09:10 AM

Did the feud between Nuno da Câmara Pereira and D. Duarte Pio begin with Nuno da Câmara Pereira supporting the Duke of Loulé as the rightful heir to the throne or did their differences begin over another previous issue? Is this why Nuno da Câmara Pereira sued D. Duarte Pio over the representation of the Order of St. Michael's Wings? But I would agree that the royalists should not be arguing over who has what rights to be at the canonization. They should be working together to help people become aware of the advantages of monarchy.

Regina · #92 05-12-2009, 01:13 PM

Some people say Nuno started to support the Duke of Loulé when D. Duarte refused to give to Nuno the title of "Dom". I don't know if this is true or not (Duarte said it was true).

I believe D. Duarte refused to give him the title around 2005/2006 (at least that was when the magazines started talking about the problem) but they were already in troubles in 2003.

Nuno da Câmara claimed to be the right representant of the Order of St. Michael. This order is recognised by the roman ccatholic church and by the Portuguese Law.
It seems Dom Duarte belonged to the Order but left it. Later (in 2003) he came back and claimed to be the right representant of that same Order. Nuno da Câmara (the heir of the Order at the time) didn't like what D. Duarte did and since then they don't get well...

Here's a link about this (Portuguese).

So I guess no one knows exactly if the "Dom" story... was the cause or the consequence of their disagreements.

Elsa M. · #93 06-10-2009, 11:59 AM

Here's an article about the Bragança Van Uden:

A história incrível dos Bragança Van Uden - dn - DN

Regina · #94 06-20-2009, 07:06 PM

Thanks for the article, Elsa! Amazing story, I just love this branch of the royal family.

Francisco van Uden's parents met in Viena, while the Princess was working for the Red Cross. He was a medicine student, she was a nurse. It was love at first sight between them :)

Nicolaas van Uden, Francisco's father, finished the high school with the maximum grade and he studied medicine at the best medicine university of Europe, in Vienna.

In Portugal, infanta Maria Adelaide founded Fundação D. Nuno Álvares Pereira, to help pregnant women in poverty and children. Her husband, Nicolaas van Uden, dedicated himself to cientifical investigation. He was the founder of Instituto Gulbenkian da Ciência, and its Director till his death in 1971. Today, Hoje, infanta Maria Adelaide is 97.

Elsa M. · #95 06-22-2009, 02:10 PM

Manuel Rosa, from Duke University in North Carolina, has made his personal mission to prove that Christopher Columbus was a Portuguese double-agent working for King D. João II, whose objective was to distract Spain from his monopoly of African gold trade and the soon-to-be-opened sea route around Africa to India. He claims the explorer was deeply connected to Portugal's King's inner circle, through marriage, and says the DNA testes made to Columbus' bones by the University of Granada has shown to be similar to the DNA of D. Duarte de Bragança.

See the article in English here:

O Jornal - Mapping Columbus' origins

Elsa M. · #96 10-03-2009, 02:25 PM

Regina will like this...

Here's an article about D. Francisco van Uden, which was published by Sábado magazine:

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Regina · #97 10-03-2009, 06:53 PM

Thank you so much, Elsa!!

Beautiful interview. I have to buy this magazine

D. Francisco is, IMO, a very interesting person. He talks about his life with such naturality, and sense of humor, everything is transparent and he is indeed a smart and humble man, who worked hard all his life. Honestly, this man should be more known by the Portuguese, IMO.

He's open about his first (and very humble) jobs outside Portugal, his first girlfriends, the way he met his wife (Dª Teresa Gil), his passion for hipism, his relationship with other european royals (King Juan Carlos called him very dear cousin)... so many interesting things he told.

Again, thanks Elsa!

JSP · #98 10-08-2009, 07:43 PM

And he speaks of the incident when he wanted D.Duarte to appoint his son as heir to the throne (before the Duke of Bragança wedding) , when relations between the 2 cousins frozen, and how things got sorted out thanks to Infanta D.Maria Adelaide wise intervention.

Elsa M. · #99 10-18-2009, 12:13 PM

Here's an article about the family relations of the Braganças with almost all Catholic Royal houses:

As ligações incríveis dos Bragança - dn - DN

Regina · #**100** 10-18-2009, 06:52 PM

Thanks for the article, Elsa. I had NO idea that the actress Brook Shields and King Juan Carlos are cousins!...

Brook's paternal grandmother was Marina Torlonia (1916-1960), daughter of the Italian 4th Prince of Civitella-Cesi, an Italian aristocrat, and through him Brooke can claim descent from Henri IV, King of France, Lucrezia Borgia, and Honore I, Prince of Monaco, among others.

Marina's brother, 5th Prince Alessandro (1911-1986) married the Infanta Beatriz of Spain (1909-2002), an aunt of King of Spain Juan Carlos de Borbón.

Their granddaughter Sibilla Sandra Weiller (born in 12 Jun 1968), Brooke's second cousin, married in 1994 Prince Guillaume of Luxembourg (born in 1963), a younger brother of the reigning Grand Duke of Luxembourg.

(Link: Brook Shields' bio )

The article that Elsa posted says that Brook is also D. Duarte's relative. I believe this happens because Carlota Joaquina de Borbón, infanta of Spain, was the mother of D. Miguel e D. Pedro IV, King of Portugal and Emperor of Brazil...