Royal Family of Portugal 3: December 2007-


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Did the feud between Nuno da Câmara Pereira and D. Duarte Pio begin with Nuno da Câmara Pereira supporting the Duke of Loulé as the rightful heir to the throne or did their differences begin over another previous issue? Is this why Nuno da Câmara Pereira sued D. Duarte Pio over the representation of the Order of St. Michael's Wings? But I would agree that the royalists should not be arguing over who has what rights to be at the canonization. They should be working together to help people become aware of the advantages of monarchy.
 
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Some people say Nuno started to support the Duke of Loulé when D. Duarte refused to give to Nuno the title of "Dom". I don't know if this is true or not (Duarte said it was true).

I believe D. Duarte refused to give him the title around 2005/2006 (at least that was when the magazines started talking about the problem) but they were already in troubles in 2003.

Nuno da Câmara claimed to be the right representant of the Order of St. Michael. This order is recognised by the roman ccatholic church and by the Portuguese Law.
It seems Dom Duarte belonged to the Order but left it. Later (in 2003) he came back and claimed to be the right representant of that same Order. Nuno da Câmara (the heir of the Order at the time) didn't like what D. Duarte did and since then they don't get well...

Here's a link about this (Portuguese).

So I guess no one knows exactly if the "Dom" story... was the cause or the consequence of their disagreements.
 
Thanks for the article, Elsa! Amazing story, I just love this branch of the royal family.

Francisco van Uden's parents met in Viena, while the Princess was working for the Red Cross. He was a medicine student, she was a nurse. It was love at first sight between them :)

Nicolaas van Uden, Francisco's father, finished the high school with the maximum grade and he studied medicine at the best medicine university of Europe, in Vienna.

In Portugal, infanta Maria Adelaide founded Fundação D. Nuno Álvares Pereira, to help pregnant women in poverty and children. Her husband, Nicolaas van Uden, dedicated himself to cientifical investigation. He was the founder of Instituto Gulbenkian da Ciência, and its Director till his death in 1971. Today, Hoje, infanta Maria Adelaide is 97.
 
Manuel Rosa, from Duke University in North Carolina, has made his personal mission to prove that Christopher Columbus was a Portuguese double-agent working for King D. João II, whose objective was to distract Spain from his monopoly of African gold trade and the soon-to-be-opened sea route around Africa to India. He claims the explorer was deeply connected to Portugal's King's inner circle, through marriage, and says the DNA testes made to Columbus' bones by the University of Granada has shown to be similar to the DNA of D. Duarte de Bragança.

See the article in English here:

O Jornal - Mapping Columbus' origins
 
Thank you so much, Elsa!! :flowers: :flowers:

Beautiful interview. I have to buy this magazine :D

D. Francisco is, IMO, a very interesting person. He talks about his life with such naturality, and sense of humor, everything is transparent and he is indeed a smart and humble man, who worked hard all his life. Honestly, this man should be more known by the Portuguese, IMO.

He's open about his first (and very humble) jobs outside Portugal, his first girlfriends, the way he met his wife (Dª Teresa Gil), his passion for hipism, his relationship with other european royals (King Juan Carlos called him very dear cousin)... so many interesting things he told.

Again, thanks Elsa! :rose:
 
And he speaks of the incident when he wanted D.Duarte to appoint his son as heir to the throne (before the Duke of Bragança wedding) , when relations between the 2 cousins frozen, and how things got sorted out thanks to Infanta D.Maria Adelaide wise intervention.
 
Thanks for the article, Elsa. I had NO idea that the actress Brook Shields and King Juan Carlos are cousins!... :D

Brook's paternal grandmother was Marina Torlonia (1916-1960), daughter of the Italian 4th Prince of Civitella-Cesi, an Italian aristocrat, and through him Brooke can claim descent from Henri IV, King of France, Lucrezia Borgia, and Honore I, Prince of Monaco, among others.

Marina's brother, 5th Prince Alessandro (1911-1986) married the Infanta Beatriz of Spain (1909-2002), an aunt of King of Spain Juan Carlos de Borbón.

Their granddaughter Sibilla Sandra Weiller (born in 12 Jun 1968), Brooke's second cousin, married in 1994 Prince Guillaume of Luxembourg (born in 1963), a younger brother of the reigning Grand Duke of Luxembourg.

(Link: Brook Shields' bio )

The article that Elsa posted says that Brook is also D. Duarte's relative. I believe this happens because Carlota Joaquina de Borbón, infanta of Spain, was the mother of D. Miguel e D. Pedro IV, King of Portugal and Emperor of Brazil...
 
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"The article that Elsa posted says that Brook is also D. Duarte's relative. I believe this happens because Carlota Joaquina de Borbón, infanta of Spain, was the mother of D. Miguel e D. Pedro IV, King of Portugal and Emperor of Brazil... "


Not exactly.

People found out the Bourbon-Torlonia-Shields connection and immediately started saying that J.Carlos and D.Duarte are close cousins of Brooke Shields, forgetting that there is no close relation between the actress and the Royals.

In fact, Brooke’s grand mother Marina Torlonia was the youngest child of Marino Torlonia and an American named Elsie Moore.
Marino and Elsie’s firstborn was Alessandro, created pr. Of Civitella Cesi, who married Beatriz de Borbon, sister of the Count of Barcelona and Juan Carlos aunt.

There is no close common relation between Juan Carlos and Brooke, but either of them is a cousin of the descendants of Alessandro T & Beatriz de Borbon

So Juan Carlos is a cousin of a cousin of Brooke.

They have however many remote common ancestors :

http://roglo.eu/roglo?lang=pt;spouse=on;m=RL;i=212605;l1=10;i1=281527;l2=10;i2=281149;dag=on

http://roglo.eu/roglo?lang=pt;em=R;ei=281527;spouse=on;et=A;color=;i=281149


And the relation to D.Duarte:

http://roglo.eu/roglo?lang=pt;spouse=on;m=RL;i=212605;l1=9;i1=2624118;l2=10;i2=281527

http://roglo.eu/roglo?lang=pt&em=R&ei=2624118&m=NG&select=input&n=brooke+shields&t=PN&spouse=on&bd=0&color=&et=A
 
JSP said:
People found out the Bourbon-Torlonia-Shields connection and immediately started saying that J.Carlos and D.Duarte are close cousins of Brooke Shields, forgetting that there is no close relation between the actress and the Royals.
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I didn't say King JC and Brook Shirlds are close cousins. In fact, the article says that they are cousins in "terceiro grau". They are not close cousins but they are still cousins lol
 
Oooops

Should have count better.

D.Maria Francisca was still 53.
Her birthday was in September.

José
 
Apparently some people are putting manarchic flags on some public buildings. the city hall of Lisbon had one for two days without people noticing it, and also at a city park the monarchic flag was flown.
 
The way the Government is running things of late, a change might be in order sooner than they think. The flags being the first phase, I suspect.
 
Marengo said:
the city hall of Lisbon had one for two days without people noticing it, and also at a city park the monarchic flag was flown.
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Yes, Marengo, without people noticing it because people are very tolerant toward this kind of incidents, they don't mind. Trust me, even if the atheist group decided to flow a flag, people wouldn't say a word against it. I think portuguese people are very indifferent to everything, they don't simply care...

And it seems the republican politicians are very tolerant toward all this too lol.

Dom Duarte is 65+ years old, he won't be king, IMO. His son Afonso is so, so shy that I don't know if he likes the idea to be in spotlight.
 
Regina said:
Yes, Marengo, without people noticing it because people are very tolerant toward this kind of incidents, they don't mind. Trust me, even if the atheist group decided to flow a flag, people wouldn't say a word against it. I think portuguese people are very indifferent to everything, they don't simply care...

And it seems the republican politicians are very tolerant toward all this too lol.

Dom Duarte is 65+ years old, he won't be king, IMO. His son Afonso is so, so shy that I don't know if he likes the idea to be in spotlight.
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I don't believe Dom Duarte is ever becoming King, nor his son.
I don't think Portugal will ever return to a monarchy system. Most people or all of them who knew what were the monarchy are dead, since for 100 years we don't have a king.
People don't mind about these incidents (though I agree with you Regina, we don't care about nearly everything, we start to care when it starts to bother our life, if it's "only" the country, it's no big deal :rolleyes: ) because most people don't see how would Portugal become a monarchy. If I had seen that I would laugh about it and maybe comment it, but wouldn't make a big deal out of it, because I don't think that the flags represent the will of most of portuguese people
 
The monarchic movement is irrelevant in Portugal... the flags were hoisted by a small group who is taking a lift with the comemorations of the republic centenary. Most of them are mentors of this blog:

http://31daarmada.blogs.sapo.pt/
 
On Tuesday, the Duke and Duchess of Bragança and their children, Princess Teresa de Orleães e Bragança and Princess Diana d'Orléans were among the people who attended the mass presided by the Pope in Lisbon.

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On Wednesday, the Duke of Bragança and his family headed to the shrine of Fátima, to attend another mass celebrated by the Pope:

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On Friday, the Duke of Bragança and his familly attended yet another mass in Porto:

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Yesterday, January 31st, was Infanta Maria Adelaide de Bragança's 99th birthday.
 
Thanks for evoking Infanta D. Maria Adelaide.

It is amazing to realize that she is "just" the gr.grand-daughter of King D.João VI (1767-1826) who had to fled to Brazil when Napoleon's troops invaded Portugal.

And that her cousin in the same degree was D.Pedro V (1837-61)


D. João VI --- D.Pedro IV --- D.Maria II ----- D.Pedro V

D. João VI --- D.Miguel I --- D.Miguel (II) --- D.Maria Adelaide
 
Are they engaged?
 
Are they still dating/engaged? I hope if they do get married they get a pre-nup because she didn't fall in love with him for his looks....
 
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