Restoration of Monarchy in Portugal

[Countessmeout]

Originally Posted by Frozen Royalist

About my United Kingdom of Iberia proposal, the reason why I brought that up was because Iberian Federalism was a bit of a thing during the economic crisis and it just stuck with me no matter how ludicrous it seemed. As for royal dynasty for Iberia, just give it to the Bourbons because you're uniting it under Spain anyway.

-Frozen Royalist

That's a sure fire way to win a referendum to return to a monarchy

Not only are we going to boot the president, but we want you to be handed over to Spain.

If Portugal was going to restore its monarch, it would be ITS MONARCH, Duarte Pio, Duke of Braganza. Unlike other pretenders who go by King, Duarte doesn't.

There hasn't been an Iberian federalist movement since the 19th century. It quickly faded in the 20th century. And was never supported by the other parts of Iberia, Gibralter and Andora.

[Frozen Royalist]

Yeah I'm actually more of a fan of a United Kingdom of Iberia then I am of an independent Kingdom of Portugal. In most of my alternate history works it is a United Kingdom of Iberia with other stuff here and there. We're getting off topic about Portuguese restorations aren't we?

-Frozen Royalist

[Blog Real]

That doesn't make any sense. I'm a Portuguese monarchy and want the monarchy to be restored. We have some monarchists movements in Portugal (Real cause, Portuguese Monarchic Youth). It is not known how many monarchists exist in Portugal.

[Lee-Z]

Originally Posted by Frozen Royalist

Yeah I'm actually more of a fan of a United Kingdom of Iberia then I am of an independent Kingdom of Portugal. In most of my alternate history works it is a United Kingdom of Iberia with other stuff here and there. We're getting off topic about Portuguese restorations aren't we?

-Frozen Royalist

You do realise that Spain and Portugal are actually two completely different countries and have been for longer than the USA became independent from GB?

[Andy T]

Originally Posted by Countessmeout

The longer a country has not had a monarchy, the less likely. Unlike Spain which was under a dictator's control, a dictator who gave the throne back on his death, Portugal has been a democratic republic since 1910. Save for one attempt to restore the monarchy, which lasted one month, the democracy has firmly taken root.

While it's true that the Portuguese monarchy was abolished in 1910, there's NO way you can say that Portugal has been a "democratic republic" since then. For almost all of the time from 1910 until after the 1974 revolution, it was either in a state of turmoil, under military rule and, ultimately, a fascist dictatorship, complete with secret police, torture, banishment, imprisonment and assassinations of political 'enemies' of the regime.

[Duc_et_Pair]

The Duke and Duchess of Braganca have a recognized status in Portugal. A few weeks ago we saw the Duchess fantastically bejewelled at an official State Banquet as guest of the President (Dutch State Visit). In other former monarchies they can only dream of this.

More or less similar are the situations in Serbia and Romania, where the former royal families are given a sort of semi-official status in the state protocol. That is the best they can achieve. I don't see Portugal, Serbia and Romania swapping their democratically elected heads of state for a system in which -for an example- the Swiss-born British child of the second daughter of the former King of Romania becomes Queen Elisabeta of Romania indeed.

The Duke and Duchess of Braganza may be happy with their position. That is the best they can have in 2017.

[JR76]

Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair

The Duke and Duchess of Braganca have a recognized status in Portugal. A few weeks ago we saw the Duchess fantastically bejewelled at an official State Banquet as guest of the President (Dutch State Visit). In other former monarchies they can only dream of this.

More or less similar are the situations in Serbia and Romania, where the former royal families are given a sort of semi-official status in the state protocol. That is the best they can achieve. I don't see Portugal, Serbia and Romania swapping their democratically elected heads of state for a system in which -for an example- the Swiss-born British child of the second daughter of the former King of Romania becomes Queen Elisabeta of Romania indeed.

The Duke and Duchess of Braganza may be happy with their position. That is the best they can have in 2017.

Am I right in that the Braganzas semi-official position is just out of courtesy and not in anyway regulated like that of the former Montenegrin Royal family and eventually soon the Romanian Royal family?

[Blog Real]

Originally Posted by JR76

Am I right in that the Braganzas semi-official position is just out of courtesy and not in anyway regulated like that of the former Montenegrin Royal family and eventually soon the Romanian Royal family?

Yes, it's just courtesy.

[Duc_et_Pair]

Of course it is courtesy. Like in Romania and Serbia. What else can it be? There is no legal ground to treat citizen X differently to citizen Y. It is purely based on goodwill, sympathy and recognition of the role a family or an individual played.

[clauborges88]

Originally Posted by JR76

Am I right in that the Braganzas semi-official position is just out of courtesy and not in anyway regulated like that of the former Montenegrin Royal family and eventually soon the Romanian Royal family?

Exactly, it's just out of courtesy. The monarchists in Portugal are a very small number and they're not actively promoting a restoration atm. I've personally only met one person who was a monarchist and it was something of a family tradition, not a strong belief.

The chances of a monarchy being restored in Portugal are next to 0. In fact, the Braganza Monarchs are lightly but frequently made fun of on television by comedians.

[Blog Real]

Originally Posted by clauborges88

Exactly, it's just out of courtesy. The monarchists in Portugal are a very small number and they're not actively promoting a restoration atm. I've personally only met one person who was a monarchist and it was something of a family tradition, not a strong belief.

The chances of a monarchy being restored in Portugal are next to 0. In fact, the Braganza Monarchs are lightly but frequently made fun of on television by comedians.

I do not agree. I am a monarchist and I am Portuguese. There are many monarchists in Portugal yes. And there are several monarchist movements in Portugal (Cause Real, Portuguese Monarchic Youth, Royal Associations, PPM, etc). You probably do not know them.

Welcome to TRF

[Blog Real]

Monarchist officials want to change constitution to allow referendum

The Portuguese Association of Monarchical Autarchs (APAM) will launch a petition on the Internet to remove the expression "republican form of government" from the Constitution and replace it with "democratic form of government", so that it is possible to refer to the monarchy in Portugal.

"The public petition seeks to change the expression 'republican form of government' to 'democratic form of government'. It is up to the Portuguese people to pronounce in this public petition on the right to be able to change if one day understand it, "APAM president Manuel Beninger told reporters on Saturday at a dinner in Braga attended by a hundred monarchist inspiration commemorating the fourth anniversary of the Monarchical Autarchs, with the objective of preparing the III National Convention of the APAM.

The expression in question - a republican form of government - is included in Article 288 (b) of the Constitution of the Portuguese Republic and prevents it from referring to the monarchy in Portugal.

"This is not a referendum, it's a path to the referendum," said the APAM president.

To this end, the Monarchist Councilors will request meetings with the PS, PSD and CDS to propose amendments to article 288 of the Constitution, in order to make possible a referendum on the Republic or Monarchy.

Manuel Beninger said that a large number of Portuguese voters would like to express their views on the way in which the state is organized, as in other countries such as Spain, Brazil and Australia.

"It does not make sense that the Portuguese can not choose between Monarchy and the Republic and that this right is forbidden to them by an anti-democratic imposition", emphasized.

"A king represents the nation. Because he is not elected, he is absolutely free of lobbies, pressures, economic groups, and party interests. The king represents all the Portuguese ", maintained the president of the monarchical mayors.

Tired of living in a country called "Portuguese Republic" [...] "which is bankrupt, without principles and without morality", the monarchical authorities say they want to "return to live in Portugal".

The III APAM Convention was scheduled for October 13 (Saturday), in the city of Oporto, where the 220th anniversary of the birth of King Pedro IV of Portugal will be celebrated.
https://ominho.pt/autarcas-monarquic...tir-referendo/

[Mbruno]

Originally Posted by Blog Real

Monarchist officials want to change constitution to allow referendum

The Portuguese Association of Monarchical Autarchs (APAM) will launch a petition on the Internet to remove the expression "republican form of government" from the Constitution and replace it with "democratic form of government", so that it is possible to refer to the monarchy in Portugal.

"The public petition seeks to change the expression 'republican form of government' to 'democratic form of government'. It is up to the Portuguese people to pronounce in this public petition on the right to be able to change if one day understand it, "APAM president Manuel Beninger told reporters on Saturday at a dinner in Braga attended by a hundred monarchist inspiration commemorating the fourth anniversary of the Monarchical Autarchs, with the objective of preparing the III National Convention of the APAM.

The expression in question - a republican form of government - is included in Article 288 (b) of the Constitution of the Portuguese Republic and prevents it from referring to the monarchy in Portugal.

"This is not a referendum, it's a path to the referendum," said the APAM president.

To this end, the Monarchist Councilors will request meetings with the PS, PSD and CDS to propose amendments to article 288 of the Constitution, in order to make possible a referendum on the Republic or Monarchy.

Manuel Beninger said that a large number of Portuguese voters would like to express their views on the way in which the state is organized, as in other countries such as Spain, Brazil and Australia.

"It does not make sense that the Portuguese can not choose between Monarchy and the Republic and that this right is forbidden to them by an anti-democratic imposition", emphasized.

"A king represents the nation. Because he is not elected, he is absolutely free of lobbies, pressures, economic groups, and party interests. The king represents all the Portuguese ", maintained the president of the monarchical mayors.

Tired of living in a country called "Portuguese Republic" [...] "which is bankrupt, without principles and without morality", the monarchical authorities say they want to "return to live in Portugal".

The III APAM Convention was scheduled for October 13 (Saturday), in the city of Oporto, where the 220th anniversary of the birth of King Pedro IV of Portugal will be celebrated.
https://ominho.pt/autarcas-monarquic...tir-referendo/

The article in question says:

As leis de revisão constitucional terão de respeitar:



[...]

b) A forma republicana de governo;

That pretty much rules out any constitutional revision that would result in the restoration of the monarchy. What are the chances that the mayor's initiative will be successful ?

[Blog Real]

The aim is to change this law of constitution.
I do not know what the odds are, but I hope they can change.

[CyrilVladisla]

What length of time period would be required for the change of the law?

[Blog Real]

HIGH MINHO: MONARCHICS WANT TO 'DESTROY' ARTICLE 288 OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE REPUBLIC

Article 288 (b) of the Constitution of the Portuguese Republic remains under close fire by the Portuguese monarchists, and the Alto Minho is no exception. "The Constitutional Review Laws will have to respect the republican form of government." A norm that, said the president of the Royal Association of Viana do Castelo, Aníbal Marinho, makes that "the Constitution is not democratic".

Now, the faithful complain to the crown, this imposition of "republican form of government" prevents a possible referendum on a possible return to the monarchy. "This is an impediment that is not democratic. The people who want to return to the monarchy can not do it because the Constitution prohibits this popular will, "he explained. "In order to hold a referendum, a change to the Constitution will first have to be made. Only then can we think of a referendum, "he said.

For the Royal Association of Viana do Castelo, the changes in letter b would change from "republican form of government" to "democratic form of government". However, for Aníbal Marinho, it is still necessary "some demystification of the monarchical ideal" with the Portuguese. "There are still many people who do not understand it, linking it to the past. The most democratic countries in Europe and where human rights are defended staunchly are monarchies, as is the case in the countries of the north of this continent, "he said. "People will have to understand the role of the monarchy and the king as Head of State. The king is impartial, independent and head of state of all the natives of a country ".

It is already this Friday that the Royal Association of Viana do Castelo, together with the congener of Braga, holds in Viana do Castelo the Dinner of the Conjurated. An initiative that will be marked by the award ceremony of the School Contests organized by the Royal Association of Viana do Castelo, in the academic year 2017/2018, on the theme "October 5, 1143 - The day Portugal was born". Among the individuals that should be present, there are names such as Ascenso Simões, Ilda Novo and José Manuel Carpinteira, deputies in the Assembly of the Republic; Miguel Alves, Mayor of Caminha; and MEP Jose Inacio Faria.

Ironically, while Republicans value the date of October 5, 1910 [the date on which the Republic was established in Portugal], monarchists celebrate the same day ... but of the year 1143. It was on that date, they say, "on which occurred the foundation of Portuguese nationality due to the efforts and merit of D. Afonso Henriques, the first King of Portugal, who benefited from the work carried out by the Archbishop of Braga, Dom João Peculiar, in favor of the constitution of the new kingdom of Portugal. "

The Dinner of the Conjurated is scheduled for 20:00. It will take place in Quinta da Presa, in the parish of Meadela, in Viana do Castelo.
https://www.radiovaledominho.com/alt...UUoxY3m-cdNZqU

[Blog Real]

The APAM - Portuguese Association of Monarchical Mayors argues that the people can choose between monarchy and republic.

The APAM - Portuguese Association of Monarchical Mayors argues that "in the forthcoming legislative elections, it is urgent to elect deputies of monarchical inspiration on a multiparty side so that the ill-fated article 288 (b) of the Constitution can be changed and the Portuguese people can be given the power to democratically choose the form of state representativeness it wants: monarchy or republic ".

The article in question imposes the Republic as the only form of government in Portugal.

APAM President Manuel Beninger told JN that the Portuguese must be able to choose "from an exempt, over-partisan king, defender of our homeland, representative of the 900-year historical legacy of our history, or to continue on" make believe that we are not bad »with the election of a said president elected not by the majority of the population but by the vote of the" less bad "".

"We have a presidential election where the huge abstention of those who do not see themselves in this republic wins any Republican candidate," he said.

The fifth anniversary of APAM was celebrated on Monday in the city of Porto, at a convention with 80 counselors, held under the motto "On the route of the king of Portugal and Brazil in Porto". The event included visits to places of the city where Dom Pedro IV is evoked, in monuments.

The convention was the guest of honor of SOAMAR Brasil - Society of Friends of the Brazilian Navy.
https://www.jn.pt/nacional/interior/...-11141419.html

[Duc_et_Pair]

But is the King "over-partisan"? Dom Duarte Pio is quite in the Conservative and Catholic spectrum of society, while maybe he should be more neutral on this.

[CyrilVladisla]

Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair

But is the King "over-partisan"? Dom Duarte Pio is quite in the Conservative and Catholic spectrum of society, while maybe he should be more neutral on this.

Does the Roman Catholic Church of Portugal support Dom Duarte Pio in his quest to be the King?

[theroyalfly]

How popular is the Prince of Beira of in Portugal?