Russian Imperial and Noble Jewels


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Marsel, the article on Lake Baikel has been around a bit. Any updates on that? Last I heard they were supposed to take a sub and go down to look. Though I am sure it costs $$$ to do so.
 
One of the awful things are the great Romanov jewels were sold and changed for a song.:sad:
A few Faberge eggs haven't been found till now by the historians and the other reseachers...:ermm:
 
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shameless bump. is the fate of this magnificent tiara and neck piece known?
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Unknown. Most likely part of the huge cache of diamonds that were dumped on the market in the early years after the Revolution for hard currency by Lenin.

Other pieces were probably stolen by corrupt officials.
 
Branchg, do you remember that 60 minutes interview of Svletvana the prime minister's daughter, she was either Brezhnev or Khrushchev's daughter. She used to say they had crates and crates of Romanov treasures that they used to go through and look at and use. I wonder if it's on You Tube.
 
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If it is, I would love to see that 60 minutes episode. Please let us know! Thanks
 
I believe it was Stalin's daughter and I remember that interview.
 
Many of the substantial jewels (such as the diamond necklace worn by Marie) were part of the state collection stored in the Imperial Treasury. These were taken by the Bolsheviks without a fight in Moscow and St. Petersburg in the October Revolution.

While there may be a significant amount still in storage, it is believed much of the collection was sold over time to provide hard currency to the Soviet Union. I doubt at this point there is much left, other than the pieces displayed in museums in Russia.
 
I believe it was Stalin's daughter and I remember that interview.
Aha! It was Galina Brezhnev. I don't know where I got Svetlana. After looking at Svetlana Stalin on youtube I thought, this Svetlana has dignity. The woman I saw was a drunkard on 60 minutes. Here's the wiki article that confirms this. Now I can go look it up.

Galina Brezhneva - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Okay no videos exist but it happened.
http://www.itnsource.com/shotlist//ITVProgs/1992/12/01/Y05870120/?s=brezhnev
I would like to see it again someday.
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My apologies for my mistake. Too late at night when I posted. (red face)!
 
branchg said:
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While there may be a significant amount still in storage, it is believed much of the collection was sold over time to provide hard currency to the Soviet Union. I doubt at this point there is much left, other than the pieces displayed in museums in Russia.

The Bolshevik leaders looted some of the most magnificent, beautiful and valuable pieces: most were broken down with gems were taken out of the sets to make identification impossible.
I have seen many pictures of wives and daughters of the 'leaders', including both Brezhnev and Stalin’s daughters, wearing magnificent jewellery that could have only come from the Imperial collection. That does enrage me because those pieces belong to the country, not the criminals who 'got there first': they should have been put in museums, to admire the splendid past of my country. Instead, there are in private vaults, never seeing the light of the day anymore. :bang:
 
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My apologies for my mistake. Too late at night when I posted. (red face)!
Oh Honey, like you're supposed to know EVERYTHING? That's Marsel's job. :D
Seriously, this is why we have a forum so people and correct, help, post, educate other's who are just as obsessed about these historical figures as they are.
I'm ready for my straight-jacket Mr. De Mille! :whistling:
 
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Very interesting article, thank you very much for posting it, 4Pam! :flowers:

There are fairly few, if any occasions where such magnificent jewels can be worn. It's not as though they are invited to state or official events. Of course, the new rich organize events that any Royal House would envy (in terms of money spent), but the children and grandchildren of former 'leaders' are rarely invited to those.
Most likely, the jewels will be, or have already been sold to people who want to owe them for the sake of owning, not to show it off. I know for a fact Alexander Zhukov (Dasha Zhukova's father) has purchased quite a few historical or unique jewels, including some from a descendant of one of the Bolshevik leaders. Berezovsky, Potanin, Deripaska, Prokhorov, Gusinsky, Abramovich all have jewellery collections that would make even the British Royal family seem poor in comparison. Khodorkovsky used to have a great collection of jewels but I don’t know what has become of it.

I honestly doubt we will ever see more than few genuinely Romanov jewels, apart from those that have already surfaced. I mean major pieces, of course: smaller things, like cigarette cases or snuff boxes and an odd Faberge egg may surface, but that’s about it. Definitely not impressive tiaras or necklaces.
 
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Aaah! But what I would do to hold a genuine Faberge snuff box!
Thanks for the info.! :flowers:
 
At some time It have become part of the Westminsters collection. But I havent ever seen the duchess wearing them?
 
Grand Duchess Olgas Garnet set.

I have recently inherited from my mother who in turn got them from her mother, a garnet set that consists of a bracelet, a ring, two rings a tiara comb, and a brooch all in the purset russian garnets. These once belonged to Grand Duchess Olga Alexandrovna of Russia, my grandmothers story of how she got them is as follows:

When Grand duchess Olga was living in Denmark she was loath to carry money much less spend it, so she used to go to the local Cobbler and give him an item of jewellery in return for repairs; well, my grandmother who was an enterprising woman, told the cobbler to phone her once the set was complete, which he did she bought them off him, and that is how it came into our posession.

A whimsical tale which we all enjoy. We have the garnet set, and according to the jewellers who have seen it it is russian of origin. Now it is kept in posterity for all the girls of the family it will not belong to one but to all kept safe by me.
 
Wow- do you have any photos in which you might post for all of us royal watchers to enjoy your treasure?

WOW I just love looking at these tiaras, thanks for posting them!
 
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Well, what are you waiting for?? Put those babies on and give us a look see!:D
 
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How exciting for you and yes for us!!!
 
If anyone is interested, I’ve posted some new information about Grand Duchess Maria Pavlovna’s jewellery (to be auctioned at Sotheby’s) here.
 
The jewels of Grand Duchess Maria Pavlovna that were sold on 17 November in Geneva fetched over $36 million.

An article about the sale from Russia Today.
 
Benjamin, $36 million is the sum all the items combined sold at the auction – and there were a lot of other items, apart from Grand Duchess Maria Pavlovna’s jewellery: among them, for example, was a magnificent necklace made of 24 rubies and 24 diamonds and a rare-coloured pearshape diamond.
The Grand Duchess’s jewellery still fetched an impressive sum – 3 times more than the initial estimates.

Thanks for posting the article! :flowers:
 
I had red an article about the russian jewells of Mary of Teck that said that the Queen Marie had got these jewells in non legal way, so her niece Queen Elishabeth had to deal a private trate and pay an actualiced price for them

Sorry for my english, i copy the artucle in spanish, and ask for a good traslate in english.

LAS ALHAJAS RUSAS DE MARY DE TECK « Retratos de la Historia - La Coctelera

LAS ALHAJAS RUSAS DE MARY DE TECK

La reina Mary de Teck (1867-1953), consorte del rey Jorge V de Gran-Bretaña e Irlanda, tuvo una infancia marcada por grandes estrecheces pecuniarias gracias a un padre frívolo y a una madre manirrota que dilapidaron su fortuna.
De aquellos años como "pariente pobre" del Gotha Europeo, la reina Mary había adquirido una fobia enfermiza a la pobreza (Peniafobia). Incluso casada con Jorge V, su nuevo estatus de reina consorte y la fortuna de aquél no consiguieron vencer su miedo. Para ella, todos los medios eran válidos con tal de hacerse aún más rica y, a ese comportamiento obsesivo se unió una cualidad muy fea: la racanería.
A lo largo de su vida como soberana consorte, se dedicó a acumular todo tipo de tesoros que pudiesen salvaguardarla de la pobreza: servicios de plata, cuadros, obras de arte y, sobretodo, joyas.
Cuando en ciertas ocasiones era recibida por las familias de la rancia aristocracia británica, éstos se veían en la obligación de esconder todos los objetos valiosos que pudieran atraer su atención o provocar su admiración. Y es que ya estaba en boca de toda la alta sociedad el estiloso modo que tenía la reina Mary para conseguir que, aquello que le agradaba, le fuera ofrecido amablemente. Sabía cómo hacerse con cuadros, joyas u objetos: se pasmaba, se extasiaba de tal manera ante éstos que sus propietarios, entre presionados y queriendo congraciarse a la reina, se veían casi obligados a regalárselos (aunque fuera a regañadientes).

Las Joyas Rusas & la Reina Cleptómana

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Retrato de la Zarina Maria Feodorovna (1847-1928) Emperatriz consorte de Todas las Rusias y viuda del Zar Alejandro III, padres ambos del último Zar Nicolás II. Nacida Princesa Maria Dagmar de Dinamarca, era la hermana de Alexandra, Reina consorte de Gran-Bretaña e Irlanda y cuñada del rey Eduardo VII, lo que la convertía en la tía carnal del rey Jorge V... Fue de los pocos miembros de la Familia Imperial Rusa que consiguió escapar de la masacre de los Bolcheviques. / Abajo, fotografía de la Gran Duquesa Xenia Aleksandrovna de Rusia (1875-1960) -derecha- y de su hermana la Gran Duquesa Olga Aleksandrovna de Rusia (1882-1960) -izquierda-.
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A la muerte de la Emperatriz Viuda Maria Feodorovna de Rusia (1928), su importante colección de joyas fue puesta en venta por sus hijas las grandes duquesas Xenia y Olga Aleksandrovna. Éstas, que tenían la reputación de no saberse manejar muy bien en los negocios, cometieron el craso error de dejar que su pariente la reina Mary se ofreciese, como quien no quiere la cosa, de intermediaria en las transacciones.
Una estimación de 350,000 Libras Esterlinas fue presentada por entonces, pero el resultado que habría permitido a las dos hermanas vivir holgadamente hasta el final de sus vidas no pareció concretarse. Tan solo se les dio un tercio de la cantidad estimada!
Ante la extrañeza de las grandes duquesas en el momento de percibir la irrisoria suma de dinero, la reina Mary les explicó que la venta de las alhajas había ido mal. Más extrañadas estuvieron cuando, al poco tiempo, vieron a la reina Mary lucir ostentosamente las mejores y más preciadas alhajas de la Emperatriz Vda. Maria Feodorovna en los actos oficiales de la corte británica. Olga y Xenia, aprovechando un encuentro con la reina, le hicieron notar su malestar con elegancia, y Mary de Teck les replicó sin florituras que debían estar agradecidas por los esfuerzos que había hecho el rey para darles techo y comodidades que, por cierto, suponían una carga para el real bolsillo. Pese al disgusto, las grandes duquesas callaron su indignación por no hacerle un feo al rey Jorge V, que había tenido la gentileza de acogerlas en Londres y proporcionarles alojamiento gratis en la finca real de Hampton Court.
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La Reina Mary de Teck (1867-1953), consorte del rey Jorge V de Gran-Bretaña e Irlanda. En la fotografía, posa con la famosa diadema de la Gran Duquesa Maria Pavlovna de Rusia, que pasó a la Emperatriz Vda. Maria Feodorovna y de ésta a sus hijas Xenia & Olga. / Fotografía -abajo- de la diadema de la Gran Duquesa María Pavlovna, actualmente en la colección privada de la reina Elizabeth II.

Tras el deceso de la reina Mary en 1953, el grueso de sus joyas personales fueron legadas a su nieta la reina Elizabeth II, su principal heredera. Otras pocas fueron a parar a la hermana de la soberana, la Princesa Margaret, Condesa de Snowdon que, posteriormente fueron vendidas por sus hijos tras su fallecimiento.

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Al producirse la muerte de la gran duquesa Olga de Rusia (1960), sus hijos descubrieron finalmente la verdad. La reina Mary de Teck había metido mano en aquellas suntuosas alhajas imperiales y escogido las piezas que más le gustaban. Dicho de otro modo, la esposa de Jorge V se había servido y apropiado indebidamente de aquellas alhajas pagando un precio irrisorio!
Entre aquel botín que representaban las alhajas de la penúltima zarina de Todas las Rusias, destacaba una hermosa diadema de diamantes y perlas que había pertenecido a la gran duquesa Maria Pavlovna (1854-1920), esposa del gran duque Vladimir Aleksandrovich de Rusia, nacida princesa de Mecklenburg-Schwerin ( en la fotografía de la izq.).
Tihon y Guri Kulikovsky, los hijos de la gran duquesa Olga que descubrieron el pastel, no se quedaron de brazos cruzados y se dirigieron directamente a la reina Elizabeth II para que saldara la deuda de su abuela usurera. El escándalo estaba servido...
Tras consultar con sus abogados, Elizabeth II satisfizo rápidamente la cuantía exigida por los hijos de las grandes duquesas estafadas.
Habían pasado 33 años desde la defunción de la gran duquesa Olga, pero Elizabeth II no quería separarse de su diadema preferida, y prefirió pagar las alhajas al precio actualizado de 1993 antes que devolverlas a sus hijos. Por fortuna, los trapos sucios fueron lavados en privado y no tuvieron que ser aireados ante los tribunales.

La Reina Elizabeth II de Gran-Bretaña e Irlanda del Norte, posando con la diadema de la Gran Duquesa Maria Pavlovna de Rusia, heredada de su abuela la Reina Mary de Teck, en una foto oficial como soberana de Canadá.
 
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:previous: Coryn Hall's "Little Mother of Russia" states that Queen Mary paid a very fair price for Xenia's jewelry.
 
Benjamin, $36 million is the sum all the items combined sold at the auction – and there were a lot of other items, apart from Grand Duchess Maria Pavlovna’s jewellery: among them, for example, was a magnificent necklace made of 24 rubies and 24 diamonds and a rare-coloured pearshape diamond.

I see, thanks for correcting me. I need to read a little more closely next time! :whistling::lol:

So I suppose that it is not possible to know exactly how much of the $36 million was generated solely by the jewels of the Grand Duchess?
 
From the way the article was written, it was easy to make the mistake. :)

Actually, I can tell approximately how much the Grand Duchess's jewels were sold - about $4-4.5 million, which is considerably higher than the estimate. The historical value paid off well.
On the other hand, there were a lot of magnificent items (with no Royal connection) which sold for less than the estimate, including the blue diamond.
 
Russian Jewels

Here's a video which proves to be an entertaining way of passing 4 minutes.
It contains stills of Russian, Romanov and Romanov-provenance jewellery as well as the Fabergé Imperial eggs.
Many of the tiara pics are scans from Mr Munn's opus.

 
:flowers:Holy Schnikies! Thanks Warren! that was rather breath taking!
They had a Faberge exhibit at the POrtland Art Museum a couple years ago, I took Mr. Russo. THe Red Cross egg was featured along with a lot of little Faberge animals made out of jade and other semi-precious materials.
 
Just really Super Duper!! Warren as always thanks for the link!! The Majesty of the pieces with the music in the background is really breathtaking!
 
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