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The floral tiara from Princess Takamadom looks beautiful. Let's hope it was returrned to the Vaults and was not broken uop. Wahat happe's with the Parures the married-oput Pricnesses like Princess Nori etc. had worn. Are the back in the vaults or are they broken uop and new Jewels amde out of them?
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01-01-2019, 02:08 PM
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The floral tiara from Pricness Takamadom looks beautiful. Let's hjope it was returrned to the Vaults and was not broken uop. Wahat happen with the Parures the married-oput Pricnesses like Princess Nori etc. had worn. Are the back in the vaults or are they broken uop and new Jewels made out of them?
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Well, that's the question, isn't it? I, for one, would be really sad if Noriko's Hokusai-inspired tiara was broken up, but for some of the tiaras, especially the ones made for and worn by Noriko and Ayako, we have no idea. The tiara worn by Sayako was a historic one, (worn by Princess Bangja in my avatar)so I doubt anything happened to it, and it may reappear, perhaps on Aiko? That's what I'm hoping, anyway.
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01-01-2019, 02:09 PM
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This is true, but whatever term is used to describe Fumihito after Naruhito's enthronement, it is clear that in effect he will be acting as the heir, in Western terms, the crown prince. There's no reason to assume that he and his wife will not have the perks (including tiaras) that go along with that role.
Between the retired emperor and empress, and Akishino, there are going to be several new formal terms entered into usage.
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In Western terms, the Crown Prince is the eldest son of or King or Emperor. The title is not used for heirs who are not the son of the monarch. We'll have to wait and see how the title and status of the Akishino's will change.
Somehow, I don't see Kiko getting both tiaras she has worn as a CP. That would make Kiko's tiaras add up to three, which seems excessive when you consider that Masako only ever has worn two. And, Masako has never alternated her two tiaras. She wore the scroll tiara for a few years, retired it and moved to the pearl fringe. Wouldn't it kind of undermine Masako's position, if Kiko showed up parading up more tiaras than Masako had worn as a CP? Imo, they'd better avoid that.
I can imagine Kiko getting a second tiara, but not three. And what if Masako keeps the scroll and the fringe, and Kiko gets the honeysuckle tiara? Of the Empress' three tiaras, the honeysuckle tiara is the one which was not passed down from her predecessors. It was previously worn by the Emperor's aunt, Princess Chichibu.
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01-01-2019, 02:48 PM
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The Imperial Household law says that the "son of the emperor who is the imperial heir" is called Kotaishi (normally translated as Crown Prince). Since Akishino will be the Emperor's brother, I assume he won't be Kotaishi, even though he will be the heir.
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From what I have read, "kotaishi" could be directly rendered into English as "grand imperial son/daughter" (it has been used for women in the history of the imperial family and the IHA uses it at the moment for the Crown Princess of Sweden), but it has been used for brothers of emperors and the expert panel initially suggested it for Fumihito before deciding on "koshi" ("imperial heir").
Prince Akishino's reluctance for 'crown prince' title reflected in panel report: sources - The Mainichi
Panel settles on title for Prince Akishino - The Japan News
I think the English-speaking press will accept the decision of the Imperial Household Agency to translate "koshi" as "Crown Prince" (if and when the translation is finalized). They accepted "Crown Prince" for Middle Eastern heirs who were brothers of kings.
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01-02-2019, 01:11 AM
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01-03-2019, 07:43 PM
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01-03-2019, 07:50 PM
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I think the notable thing about this tiara is that she wore one, even if it looks like exactly what it is, a necklace on a frame. Noriko wore a very pretty ornament in her hair, but Ayako must have liked the whole bride-as-princess thing, so good for her! But I agree, I like it much better as a necklace than as a tiara.
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01-04-2019, 06:26 AM
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I think the notable thing about this tiara is that she wore one, even if it looks like exactly what it is, a necklace on a frame. Noriko wore a very pretty ornament in her hair, but Ayako must have liked the whole bride-as-princess thing, so good for her! But I agree, I like it much better as a necklace than as a tiara.
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What’s not to like? A delicate pretty piece, highly suitable for a former princess.
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04-28-2019, 06:01 PM
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I bought a photo of Princess Chichibu (Setsuko) several weeks ago and it arrived on Friday!
Photo and certificate:
The back has details: she was going to Buckingham Palace for dinner with the Queen after arriving in the UK for a 9-day visit on July 23, 1962.
Proper scan:
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04-28-2019, 06:17 PM
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Prisma, what a wonderful photo! It's black and white, and yet the luster of those incredible pearls in the tiara dominates the photo.
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04-28-2019, 07:00 PM
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 It looks like it is a parure with tiara, necklace, earrings, bracelet and brooch. I haven't decided if the tiara just doesn't do justice to those amazing marble sized pearls or it is meant to showcase them.
I wouldn't say no to the necklace either. There is usually not a lot to say about a three strand pearl necklace, but the beautiful spacer bar in the middle and probably the catch at the back of the neck, showcase three separate strands of perfectly matched lustrous pearls and the pendant hanging from the spacer is really something different. A diamond encrusted circle with a single hanging lustrous pearl of almost the same size as those in the tiara.
I don't think those earrings are part of the original parure as their shape and style does not match the tiara and necklace and the brooch also looks like a slightly geometric oval with a central round pearl and a hanging pear shaped pearl.
As you pointed out, the lustre is amazing for a black and white photo. It also shows a parure like no other I have ever seen on the heads of endless Japanese Princesses. I wonder where it is now?
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04-28-2019, 07:52 PM
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I am sitting at my laptop drooling over that necklace. It is a beautiful picture.
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04-28-2019, 08:00 PM
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The tiara is either with Princess Mikasa (Yuriko) or back in the Imperial vaults.
Princess Yuriko wore her sister-in-law's secondary tiara in 1997 (Princess Chichibu passed away in 1995)
... but then she reverted to what I assume to be her own wedding/primary tiara in 1999
Crown Princess Masako wore Princess Chichibu's necklace at the banquet for the Philippines-Japan state visit in 2015
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04-28-2019, 08:25 PM
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Do we know what happened to the necklace Princess Chichibu wore in her wedding photo? I know that Empress Michiko has worn the honeysuckle tiara that was worn in the wedding photo, but I don't think I've seen the necklace. Setsuko had some spectacular jewelry.
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04-30-2019, 04:50 PM
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It is intriguing that Princess Yuriko wore her sister-in-law's pearl drop tiara, because I always thought that she must have had a very similar tiara herself.
Yuriko's daughter-in-law Princess Hisako of Takamado has worn the other pearl drop tiara several times. And both of Yuriko's daughters; Yuriko and Masako, have worn the other pearl drop tiara as well, I assume that the pics I have are from their weddings. Therefore I thought that the second pearl drop tiara must have come from Princess Yuriko. But when you compare the pics, it's quite obvious that Yuriko and Setsuko wear the same tiara, while Yasuko, Masako and Hisako wear the other tiara.
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04-30-2019, 09:58 PM
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04-30-2019, 10:51 PM
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I love seeing Empress Masako in the Meiji Scroll, and I'm so very happy to see it again.
Have you been able to find a photo of Kiko? It looked to me as though it was the Sunburst, but I couldn't see it clearly enough to be sure.
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04-30-2019, 11:00 PM
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What a wonderful surprise  !
And we will get to see the Empress tiaras again and Crown Princess Kiko in different tiaras after many years.
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