Prince Nicholas (1872-1938), Grand Duchess Elena (1882-1957) and daughters - Page 2

geli · #21 09-08-2006, 01:07 PM

Indeed, as we can see it on the pictures, the princesses and particulary Marina, inherited the eyes and the look of their mother.

Of course, there are some photos of the Princess Nicolas with her native family.
I would post some of them later...

geli · #22 09-15-2006, 01:29 PM

Portrait of the Princess Nicolas of Greece :

Princess Helen with her two elder daughters Olga and Elisabeth :

CarolinaLandgrave · #23 09-23-2006, 12:20 PM

Thats tail end of my favorite era of history....... the span from about 1800-1918 just fascinates me me in general - but particularly Royal-wise!

ysbel · #24 09-23-2006, 03:47 PM

Welcome to the forum geli.

Thanks for sharing these pictures. They are quite fascinating. Princess Marina was quite a stunning young girl.

I wonder if the girls learned to speak Russian from their mother? I noticed she's wearing a Russian tiara in one of the pics.

geli · #25 09-24-2006, 09:09 AM

Thanks Ysbel,

Marina did not inherit the Russian Kokoshnik Tiara of her mother because it semms that it is rather her sister Elisabeth who received it in heritage.
However, at the time of her engagement with Prince George of Great Britain, her mother-in-law, the Queen Mary, offered to her as a wedding present a same diadem style which was then extremely in fashion and which all the Queens and Princesses of the time wanted to have in their jewels collection.

geli · #26 12-26-2007, 01:36 PM

Pictures of Young Olga, Elizabeth and Marina :

christowilson · #27 06-28-2009, 03:55 AM

I wonder if you can help? I would like to know more about the time spent in Paris by Princess Marina and Princess Olga before they married, respectively, the Duke of kent and Prince Paul of Yugoslavia. Are there any books which cover this subject?

Alberto2244 · #28 06-28-2009, 09:08 AM

Did you know the late Count of Paris was in love with Princess Marina and would ask her hand in marriage if his father had not prevented him on account of her Orthodox Religion? It was the Count himself who told this story in the posthumously book of interviews with Philippe Delorme.
You can find a bio on Princess Marina at:
duchess marina kent - AbeBooks

duminyricky · #29 06-29-2009, 08:10 AM

I just pity these royalties who have not had the time to experience the kind of freedom that we commoners are experiencing most of our lives. Though they live with crowns on their heads, I’d say that being like them takes a lot of guts and commitment.

christowilson · #30 07-15-2009, 12:32 PM

Hello, Can anyone tell me if there is a definitive book or article which includes details of the lives of these two, during their Paris years, before they married Prince George, Duke of Kent and Prince Paul of Yugoslavia? Thank you, Christopher

BELTRANEJA · #31 07-16-2009, 09:57 AM

I don´t know if this pictures is publish in forum, she is Princess Marina of Greece. she was a woman very beautifull She was considered the most elegant women of the decade of the 30s, her favorites designers were Molyneux and Worth.

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maria-olivia · #32 07-16-2009, 11:38 AM

interesting unknown pictures but never a smile..

Dierna23 · #33 07-16-2009, 11:43 AM

Thanks for posting these pictures!

Dierna23 · #34 07-16-2009, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by maria-olivia

interesting unknown pictures but never a smile..

Well, official and professional portraits from this era included almost never a smile. The photographers wanted a classic view on their sitters. Like old paintings - you only see a hinted smile like that of Mona Lisa.

BELTRANEJA · #35 07-16-2009, 03:24 PM

this pictures are of Pince Nicholas and Princess Helen.

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Another photo of the sisters and Marina

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Dierna23 · #36 07-16-2009, 05:02 PM

Wow, in the first pic Nicholas reminds me on his grandson Prince Michael of Kent without beard.

snowflower · #37 02-02-2010, 09:30 AM

Did you know that prince Nicholas went through hell to convine Maria Pavlova to let him marry Helen? She though that the fourth son of a relatively poor king was not good enough for her daughter, the only daughter of the rich Grand Duke Vladimir who was so close to the throne. No, in her mother's eyes, Helen was worthly only of a future King or reigning Duke or alternatively a very rich prince. Finally after two years , they managed to get married. When Helen came to Greece , she was fully aware that she was a Russsian Grand Duchess , rich and with more jewellery than any of her sisters - in - law ( in fact she had more tiaras than Queen Olga). Not to mention her great lineage. She often look down to Marie Bonaparte ( George's wife) and Alice of Battenberg ( Andrew's wife). After all, Marie was nearly a commoner and Alice was JUST an HSH while she (Helen) was born an HIH.

With a mother like Helen and a grand mother like Maria Pavlova , no wonder why Marina made comments about " simple little Scottish girls"

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CarolinaLandgrave · #38 02-02-2010, 10:13 AM

Didn't get Grand Duchess Helen get jilted by Prince Max of Baden..... and Prince Nicholas came back for a second time to ask for her hand....? And only then did Marie Pavlovna relent and let them marry??
And the Mecklenburg lineage, of Marie, was not all that impressive maternally, was it? Granted she paternally had Romanov ancestry; as well as Hohenzollern and Hanover (Guelph)... but her maternal lineage, the Reuss lines, were not all that Royal - if I am not mistaken.
But alas, I am huge fan of Marie Pavlovna, Helen, and Helen's daughters... especially Marina.
Was not Marie born a mere "Her Highness"

snowflower · #39 02-02-2010, 12:46 PM

Marie was born Her Highness Duchess Marie of Mecklenburg Schwerin

Yes Helena was engaged with Max of Baden in fact when he broke the engagement their engagement photos were already taken and sent to various relatives I think, which made Marie Pavlova really furious. Mean while Nicholas proposed but Marie made clear that she wanted something "grander" for her daughter and that although Marie Pavlova actually liked Nicholas personally, Helena would never marry him. Well, never say never.
Marie tried really hard to find her daughter the groom she was dreaming about, but nothing came to the horizon and people in the Russian court started gossiping about Helena's inability to find a husband. Finally Marie Pavlova agreed to let Nicholas marry Helena after two years of advances from his side.

By the way since both Helena and Nicholas were Nicholas II's first cousins ( Vladimir and Alexander III were siblings as well as Marie Feodorovna and King George of Greece) the Tsar decided to make them a wedding gift. The " wedding gift" was a palace in Athens , since Nicholas didn't have one and Helena needed a place to live suitable for a Grand Duchess. (very nice gift I must say most people receive plates as gifts for their wedding

).It's not too big but it is very beautiful and made of marble. I don't have a picture but nowadays it's the Italian Embassy in Athens there so anyone interested was google it.

CarolinaLandgrave · #40 02-02-2010, 12:54 PM

I wish there was a good book on Helen.... she's interesting to me.
Isn't there an autobiography of Prince Nicholas? I need to add that to my list of "reading" material

Being the Devil's advocate... and thinking outside of the realm of things... who, actually, would have been available for Grand Duchess Helen to wed that would have been deemed "suitable" for Marie Pavlovna??

How can one refuse a palace!! I'll have to Google it.....
Thanks for the info!!!