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09-02-2010, 06:14 PM
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Thank you for posting this video!  If Frederika is the woman wearing the feathered hat, then it appears both women (Anne-Marie and Frederika) curtsied to one another, which is nice, and supports my opinion that it is a show of respect from one queen who is now a dowager to the queen consort. And vice versa.  |
I am sure Anne Marie felt unseay then. It was her first curtsy as a Queen and it was from her mother in law. I believe her curtsying back was most likely automatic. Any way I am surprised about how royals kept protocoll back then when I think that Anne Marie used to curtsy to Constantine every time they first met after he became King - even in front of the altar on their wedding day.
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09-03-2010, 03:47 AM
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I have checked the wedding thread http://www.theroyalforums.com/forums...64-a-4560.html and queen Frederika was wearing an hat like that.
And I've seen and seen again the video: to me it looks like Anne Marie bows before; is it just me?? It would be very easy to explain: Anne Marie until 2 minutes before was expected to bow to the queen and the emotional moment made her do it again. Frederika bowed automatically to "save" the situation.
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09-03-2010, 11:50 AM
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I am sure some nerves were involved on Anne-Marie's wedding day where she went from princess to queen but from what I've heard about Frederika, do you really think she would curtsy to "save" the situation? I don't mean to be unpleasant, and it is nice to think she would be kind to her daughter-in-law, but would Frederika violate protocol in this situation?
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09-03-2010, 12:58 PM
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 I agree. Anne Marie was a princess for 18 years before that day and she was quite used to royal protocol. Perhaps she was nervous but her curstsey imho was as much a sign of respect towards her mother in law as much as it was from Q Frederika to the new Queen.
The fact that Anne Marie did the same to the reigning monarch, while she was still for a few more minutes only a princess, shows that she knew what the rukes of etiquette were.
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09-03-2010, 01:15 PM
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I honestly think that in this situation, she would curtsy to "save" things. Frederika was a controversial figure during her husband΄s reign and she was I believe quite aware of this fact. IMO, this was the reason that she moved out of Tatoi after Paul΄s death and also why the wedding between Anne Marie happened at the quickest time possible, instead of the originals plans - so that she would stop being the country΄s first lady and help her son gain popularity. Anne Marie was a very sweet and amiable girl who charmed most Greeks but that is exactly was she was then - a girl. Frederika IMO could not allow people to view her as a sweet young girl, they should view her as a Queen despite her age. So, I believe that she would not allow Anne Marie to curtsy to her even if it was a simple mistake in order to send a message about which woman had which place inside the Royal Family.
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09-03-2010, 07:18 PM
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when Kings of Spain married by Catholic church in Athens, The Queen also committed a protocol error, due to nerves. When the Catholic bishop asks to the Queen Sofia, "Sofia, do you want to this man as legitimate husband....," and before say her"Yes, I want", she had that look to her father, King Pavlo, and King Pavlo bow his head , this is the request of consent of the the King to the marry. Queen Sofia said "Yes, I want"" and forgot protocol.
In 1995 in Sevilla, her daughter of Infanta Elena committed the same error of her mother.
This beautiful anecdotes are caused by nerves of the moment. The Queen Federika of Greece, this is an anecdote, a nice gesture ..
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09-05-2010, 04:23 PM
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beltranega, I think that I understand the mistake of Queen Sofia, she did not ask to her father the consent to the marry??? ..Is this??How the mistake was corrected?
the gesture of Queen Federika was correct in my opinion, new QUEEN
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10-14-2010, 01:09 PM
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in a book i'm reading these days, i came across an incident that only few people know. i think i should share it with my royal friends. when they were a princely couple, at the 2nd world war, they had to leave greece and go to egypt for their protection. king farouk offered them hospitality and one night, at the dinner, he hit on frederika.  you know what i mean... the princess handled the situation really smart, because the egyptian hospitality was very necessary at those times and they should avoid a diplomatic conflict between the 2 countries. the author says she was a very beautiful woman when she was young. i think the opposite, but anyway... hehe that's a personal opinion. so did anyone hear this incident before?
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10-14-2010, 04:19 PM
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..Farouk ?????? hahahahaha
Did he returned the sword to the Shah of Persia, and the clock Winton Churchill? Hahahah
King Pavlo and Queen Frederika were exiled to Egypt with their two children, and Cheila, the nanny, Lady Katherina .. They met other future menbers of Houses Royales, as Hussein of Jordan.
Queen Federica was a great woman, and a great mother ... and I refer to the words of her daughter.
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10-14-2010, 05:14 PM
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Which daughter? What did Sophie or Irene say about Frederica?
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10-14-2010, 10:03 PM
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I think Frederica was not without her charm and it may very well have happened that Farouk hit on her. Her problem was meddling in politics.
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10-15-2010, 06:06 AM
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Thanks for sharing, Gregory! So nice to see you posting again! Royal history is one of my interests, and discovering unknown historical incidents, like this one, always fascinates me. King Farouk liked beautiful women a lot. I don't know if Frederica was breathtakingly beautiful - I guess we can say she was pretty and well-groomed. We can see this nowadays in Q.Sofia of Spain, her daughter.
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10-15-2010, 06:11 AM
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..Farouk ?????? hahahahaha
Did he returned the sword to the Shah of Persia, and the clock Winton Churchill? Hahahah
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I'm not sure you understood what Gregory meant here. When a man hits on a woman, it means he likes her as a woman, he flirts her and suggests they spend the night together. King Farouk liked Frederica and he obviously told her he wanted to sleep with her.
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12-01-2010, 04:05 PM
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]I don't know if Frederica was breathtakingly beautiful - I guess we can say she was pretty and well-groomed. We can see this nowadays in Q.Sofia of Spain, her daughter. |
I don't consider her a great beauty either and as far as I know she didn't do that herself - she often commented when Sophia was born how dissapointed she was that he baby seemed to have inherited her nose . But she did have a style that suited her very much and let's not forget that she was still a fresh and young woman in her 20s back them when this happened and youth always adds something extra IMO.
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12-01-2010, 04:13 PM
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Frederica liked to tell the story of how, when Sophie was a baby, she used to tell people that unfortunately, the baby had inherited her nose. This always resulted in people saying that both the mother and the baby were beautiful and had nothing wrong with their noses.
It was very gratifying to her until the evening she had the baby brought down at the end of a party and made the same comment, to which one of the women replied, "Yes, but maybe she'll grow into it!"
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12-01-2010, 04:17 PM
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Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Certainly Frederika was well dressed and impeccably groomed. Her hair always had those plenteous curls in place and she wore the clothes of Jean Desses very well. I believe Dervis was her dressmaker in Athens.She wasn't a very tall lady but had amazing linguistic capabilities, conversational skills charm and a very sharp mind.Her eyes danced with interest. This has been told to me by a friend that used to have the Queen and the King at his hotel as guests.She was also a cultured person.The marriage to King Paul was a happy one.This is what I have been told.
My source was credible as I saw pictures of the person telling me these things and the royal couple sitting at the hotel chatting.......
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12-01-2010, 05:28 PM
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Queen Federica was a very cultured and had a great education, how to take sunglasses, her bag, when she looked her clock...., she was very elegant. She was not high, King Paul was quite high. Jean Dessen appreciated her gestures, he saw in Queen Federica an natural elegance. Queen Federika was close to King Pavlo, when the King Pavlo died, at the funeral, as they walked behind the coffin, there was a time when she broke to mourn ... I still remember that moment.
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12-02-2010, 06:25 PM
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Queen Federica was a very cultured and had a great education, how to take sunglasses, her bag, when she looked her clock...., she was very elegant. She was not high, King Paul was quite high. Jean Dessen appreciated her gestures, he saw in Queen Federica an natural elegance. Queen Federika was close to King Pavlo, when the King Pavlo died, at the funeral, as they walked behind the coffin, there was a time when she broke to mourn ... I still remember that moment.
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I agree with you Nikoplopulos as I have been told by countless individuals the same as you have so articulately put here.I remember that moment she mourned the King as well... very heart rending.Frederika had great dignity throughout her life and until her untimely death.Queen Frederika had grace, elegance and substance and it is certainly seen from her children what she was and what she taught them.What a fantastic mother.!
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12-15-2010, 12:11 AM
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I found this photo tonight of Sophie and Frederica just after Sophie's birth. I'd never seen it before; it's sweet.
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