General news and Questions about Princess Lalla Salma and her family

[madonna23]

It's great to see Lalla Salma out and about. Hopefully, we will see her follow in her sister-in-laws' steps and take an active and productive role in Moroccan and international society.

Just a side question: I know that traditionally the wives of Moroccan kings have been from Berber families in order to preserve stability among the various tribes. Is Lalla Salma also Berber? I'm sure she has some Berber heritage - as do most Moroccans - but does she acknowledge her Berber origins? You know, you guys have probably discussed this before but I'm too lazy to search all the previous threads. It's much easier to just ask one of our knowledgable members!!

[Monalisa]

Originally Posted by madonna23

Is Lalla Salma also Berber?

Actually,Salma is not berber,she's originally from fez,people of Fez are usually a mix of arabs and spanish muslims who left Spain after the declin of muslim reign in Andalucia!

Originally Posted by madonna23

I'm sure she has some Berber heritage - as do most Moroccans - but does she acknowledge her Berber origins? You know, you guys have probably discussed this before but I'm too lazy to search all the previous threads. It's much easier to just ask one of our knowledgable members!!

Actaually,not all moroccan people had a berber heritage.
Yes,indeed,40% of moroccan are berber,and 60% are arabs,but those who are arabs had not necessarly berber heritage.
As I know, being myself half moroccan berber by my father(my mother is russian),berber people didn't allow the marriages with arabs,it changed only recently ,where now people (arabs and berber) began to make mix marriages!

Originally Posted by madonna23

Just a side question: I know that traditionally the wives of Moroccan kings have been from Berber families in order to preserve stability among the various tribes. .

That's not true,all moroccan kings' wives wern't berber.King hassan II's mother was a half black slave originally from Marrakesh area!

[madonna23]

Okay, this is all very interesting. I have very limited knowledge about the subject... so I actually thought that it was tradition for the king to have a Berber wife. King Hassan's father - King Muhammad - had two wives, Lalla Abla and Lalla Bahia. Lalla Abla was the mother of Hassan and I remember reading in Malika Oufkir's book that she came from a wealthy Berber family. Lalla Bahia too was said to be Berber. And King Hassan's wife Lalla Latifa was also said to be Berber and I know - or at least I'm pretty sure - this must be true because articles on Lalla Meriem or Lalla Hasna mention they are half-Berber.

Anyway, I've also read that a signficant portion of the Moroccan population are Berber or half-Berber. At least 40% is acknowledged Berber descent but most scholars think there are more. I didn't know that marriage with Arabs was forbidden for Berbers, MonaLisa so yes, maybe inbreeding is only a recent phenomenon.

[Monalisa]

Originally Posted by madonna23

I actually thought that it was tradition for the king to have a Berber wife. King Hassan's father - King Muhammad - had two wives, Lalla Abla and Lalla Bahia. Lalla Abla was the mother of Hassan and I remember reading in Malika Oufkir's book that she came from a wealthy Berber family. Lalla Bahia too was said to be Berber.

Yes,indeed,most of the moroccan kings' wives were berber,but it's not a condition,there were many who wern't berber!

Originally Posted by madonna23

King Hassan's father - King Muhammad - had two wives, Lalla Abla and Lalla Bahia. Lalla Abla was the mother of Hassan and I remember reading in Malika Oufkir's book that she came from a wealthy Berber family. Lalla Bahia too was said to be Berber.

King Muhammed V father of King HassnII had only one wife,Lalla Abla,who was a half black slave origin and not from a berber wealthy family,she was given to KMV as a gift from Glawi.

Lalla Bahia wasn't an official wife of KMV but his prefered woman from his Harem,and yes she was from berber origin!

[Monalisa]

Originally Posted by madonna23

Lalla Abla was the mother of Hassan and I remember reading in Malika Oufkir's book that she came from a wealthy Berber family. Lalla Bahia too was said to be Berber. And King Hassan's wife Lalla Latifa was also said to be Berber and I know - or at least I'm pretty sure - this must be true because articles on Lalla Meriem or Lalla Hasna mention they are half-Berber.

I think you are confusing, I've read the same book of Malika oufkir,and she was talking about kMVI's mother(mother of princesses lalla meryem,asma and hasna and My Rashid) and KHII's wife,who was from a wealthy berber family and not about Lalla Abla,KHII's mother who aws for sure a half back salve given as a gift by Glawi "mayor" of Marrakesh to KMV.

Originally Posted by madonna23

I didn't know that marriage with Arabs was forbidden for Berbers, MonaLisa so yes, maybe inbreeding is only a recent phenomenon.

Actaully,it's berber who usually refused marriages to arabs,and I can say that from my berber origins I have 0% arab origin,because it was just forbidden.

Arabs were usually open to mix marriages.

Originally Posted by madonna23

I MonaLisa so yes, maybe inbreeding is only a recent phenomenon.

I believe that mix marriages between arabs and berbers is a recent phenomenon,but there's some berbers who still refuse that,I'm talking here especially about "Rif's area" .In morocco there's 3important berber areas:1-North=Rif,2-middle and Atlas=Mazigh,and 3-South=Souss).

[imane44]

did lalla salma's relatives change their way of life after her marriage? any news about what her family has been up to since she got married?

[Layla27]

Originally Posted by imane44

did lalla salma's relatives change their way of life after her marriage? any news about what her family has been up to since she got married?

I heard that her grandmom (the one who raised her) moved to another place. But the rest of the family are still living in a "normal" way.

[yazz]

First her grandmum move to another place, a bigger house in the district of the diplomats, but she didn't feel good in this new environment and came back to her popular one.

[imane44]

i read in an interview that lalla salma took her son to visit her grandmother all the time and by herself without guards i don't think the king would let her go if it was a popular district.maybe the news of her grandmother moving back to her old house was just a rumor.

[Reina]

Didn't the rest of the family treat Salma badly? Especially her step-mom and her dad?

Originally Posted by Layla27

I heard that her grandmom (the one who raised her) moved to another place. But the rest of the family are still living in a "normal" way.

[imane44]

i only heard that her step mom didn't want her to live with them that's why she stayed with her grandmother

[Reina]

Well she certainly got her wish. What's up w/ Salma's mom.

[Amira]

Originally Posted by Reina

Well she certainly got her wish. What's up w/ Salma's mom.

She died when princess lalla selma was 3 years old ...

[Roshanah]

A quick responce to Monalisa's Message. The Berbers of Morocco are Black and the Berbers who are lighter skinned are either Black (but are lighter complexioned) or are or mixed heritage hence lighter skin in certain cases. Your statement was offensive, I myself am of Berber descent and one suggests that if you had researched the ancient Berbers History, One would have found like the Ancient Coptic Egptians they were Black and had not the light complexion of their Euroean counterparts unless aforementioned exceptions applied. ie Cleopatra was half Ancient coptic Egyptian and Greek but she was lighter complexioned.

[sabiha]

Originally Posted by Roshanah

A quick responce to Monalisa's Message. The Berbers of Morocco are Black and the Berbers who are lighter skinned are either Black (but are lighter complexioned) or are or mixed heritage hence lighter skin in certain cases. Your statement was offensive, I myself am of Berber descent and one suggests that if you had researched the ancient Berbers History, One would have found like the Ancient Coptic Egptians they were Black and had not the light complexion of their Euroean counterparts unless aforementioned exceptions applied. ie Cleopatra was half Ancient coptic Egyptian and Greek but she was lighter complexioned.

I am Berber, and I can said you that the Berber have white skin, in the south they are Berber with darker skin because they are marriage with blak of blak Africa
for me it isn't important, white or black, we are all Berber

[Roshanah]

Originally Posted by sabiha

I am Berber, and I can said you that the Berber have white skin, in the south they are Berber with darker skin because they are marriage with blak of blak Africa
for me it isn't important, white or black, we are all Berber

Dear Sabiha, I agree with you whole heartedly. My objection was to when Monalisa disputed the fact that King Muhammad VI was half Berber. She said that his Mother was a half Black slave as she put it. Hence I mentioned what I did. Of course it matters not whether a Berber is either light or dark complexioned. Furthermore, her remark intimated that a Berber could only be white skinned. For those of us of Berber descent including your and Myself, a person whom diffrenciates between who is o is not Berber is offensive. I've never had to argue the point before because, as you said it is of no impotance the semantics but when Monalisa said what she did it Infuriated me. We are all of African origin, so why dispute the level of legitimacy. :O)

[florecita]

Hello,how KM and lalla salma meet each other?how they fall in love?had the king talked about their love story?was him involved with another woman before salma?
Thank you (sorry for my english)

[zineb]

florecita, el mundo said he had girlfriends and one of them was brazilian.
web translation of a part of the text
"Like everybody, Salma knew that for the King everything was facilities with the girls. To Mohamed VI organized a pair to him of celebrations per week. And there where they were always celebrated there was a corner for the privacy of the monarch with its companion. Moroccan, brown a girl and costumary liberal was during a time the habitual pair of the king. Also much with handsome a Brazilian was seen him".

http://www.elmundo.es/cronica/2005/484/1106434813.html

[florecita]

Oh thank you zineb,i didnt know if he was having girlfriends before,i know now :)i think that he truly love salma ,she very simple i think her background,her mother died ect..there were a lot woman around him but maybe not with charm and simplicity of salma..:)

[florecita]

How many language speak Princes Salma?Somebody know? :)