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Well that seperation thing is religious, women were being seperated from men according to Islamic laws. Today it's not an applicable law/custom but at old times it was the only way to engage or to wed couples. |
Poor Hacice, she could not even see whom she was supposed to marry, but she often saw and talk to whom she was in love with... 
I'm wondering if Ibrahim was really inlove with Hacice, or if it was a perfect way for him to climb.
I do not know if it was true at this moment, but the serie lets the impression that it was unthinkable for this two to have any sentimental bound together, maybe because an ex-giaour and former janissaire could not even dare to have a glance to a Sultan's daughter and sister..
Anyway, it is funny and interesting to follow this serie, it teaches a lot of things. I read that in Turkey, they were a lot of protest against it, up to now I can not see why.
And I LOVE their clothes, especially of Soleyman, very nice silk, brocades, who made them?? Nevetheless, he is very poor on concubines.... not moe than 20... too few for such a Sultan.
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10-16-2012, 04:39 AM
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Ibrahim Pasha became Grand Vizir, and got engaged to Hatice, Sultan's sister (allellhuiiia). They received as gift, the following Palace to live.
Ibrahim Pasha Palace in Istanbul - Turkey
The interesting point is that when Ibrahim Pasha was executed, all his belongings were confiscated. But what about his wife? She was Sultan's sister, was she reduced to poverty??
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10-16-2012, 07:17 AM
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In Turkey some people protested the serie because it is focusing on the Harem life not on the victories of Suleyman. Suleyman was one of the most successful Padishahs in Ottoman Empire history. They didn't think it was fair to underestimate his success by focusing on Harem life and to major on as if he was always cogitating on his Harem.
The Ibrahim Pasha Palace was a gift to them to live in. Principally it belonged to Ottoman Empire. When Pasha was executed the palace was still an Ottoman Empire belonging and it was impossible/inappropriate Hatice to live alone in a palace as a widow at that times. So she moved back to Harem with her children and she lived in the Palace and after Ibrahim's execution she never married again but she lived in wealth.
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10-16-2012, 07:52 AM
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In Turkey some people protested the serie because it is focusing on the Harem life not on the victories of Suleyman. Suleyman was one of the most successful Padishahs in Ottoman Empire history. They didn't think it was fair to underestimate his success by focusing on Harem life and to major on as if he was always cogitating on his Harem. |
Hello, I was wondering where have you been.
I agree with this opinion, I felt also the same. Suleyman was a great Conqueror, and a great legislator. Out of some pale references to conquest of Rhodes & Hungary, the Sultan seems to spend his whole day with women's fightings and unsuccessfull halvets... It is not fair for his memory.
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So she moved back to Harem with her children and she lived in the Palace and after Ibrahim's execution she never married again but she lived in wealth. |
I feel so sorry for Hatice, she seems a very sweet person, destinated to accept other people's decisions.
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10-16-2012, 08:08 AM
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I was traveling i couldn't check the forum but I'm back
These protests were very understandable but passed after people watched the series first part. It generally focuses on Harem and especially on Hurrem. I can say it's all about the Harem side of the Ottoman Empire.
Hatice or another woman no matter her position, women were obliged to accept their family's or older ones decisions. It was kind of a tradition to respect their choices but you will see all will find a way to do what they want. You can't stop women 
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10-18-2012, 10:17 AM
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I have discovered an interesting point. THe House of Osman is one of the very few dynasties, which have been ruling without interruption (I mean the same family), for 700years.
All other countries, in ex, England, France, etc, changed ruling family.
Denmark is the older same dynasty, ruling since 1190, so abt 200 y more than the Osman.
Monaco's dynasty is slightly longer, but "less direct", some 2nd cousins entered in line, etc etc
I think, at least in Europe, there is no other Royal Family who ruled uninterrupted so long.
So apparenly the Ottoman method, to eliminate the other brothers of each new Sultan was sucessful. Brothers were out of the game, and 2nd and 3rd cousins were too affraid to try anything against the new sultan.
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02-04-2013, 11:16 AM
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On the facebook-page of princess ayse osmanoglu are many pictures of the royal family:)
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Ayse-...211248?fref=ts
This is the official website of prince selim djem. You can see many pictures of him and his family
Sélim Djem
kenize murad official rajkumari kenize of kotwara is the daughter of the last raja of kotwara and the princess selma hanimsultan of ottOman. princess selma was the granddaughter from sultan murad V .
The turkish tv trt makes a biography for kenize mourad.
you can see her many pictures from her and her mother 28. Bölüm Osmanl
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02-10-2013, 05:58 AM
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Princess perihat at the mauseleum of his grandfather sultan Abdulaziz
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02-12-2013, 03:30 PM
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a biography about princess neslishah sultan NESLISHAH SULTAN 1921-2012
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02-15-2013, 04:48 AM
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the newborn prince ziya resad osmanoglu of ottoman 06.06.12 in london
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03-09-2013, 06:20 PM
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The foreign minister of Turkey Ahmet Davudoğlu and 20member of the ottoman royal family on the dinner in london at 08.03.2013 Davuto
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Princess Ayse Gülnev Osmanoglu & Family
Princess Ayse is an ottoman princess born 17.01.1971 in England. She is married with the English Nicholas Sutton on 27 August 1994. She has 5 children, four sons and one daughter. Prince (Sultanzade) Maximilian Ali Beyefendi, Sutton. born in London, England 15 January 2000, Prince (Sultanzade) Cosmo Tarik Beyefendi, Sutton. born in London, England 10 September 2001, Prince (Sultanzade) Lysander Cengiz Beyefendi, Sutton. born in London, England 12 April 2003, Prince (Sultanzade) Ferdinand Ziya Beyefendi, Sutton. born in Sussex, England, 26 July 2006, Princess Tatyana Aliye Hanımsultan, Sutton. born in Sussex, England, 25 March 2005. (via Wikipedia) Osmano
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Damad Nicholas suttons wikipedia Nicholas Sutton - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
pRINCESS Ayse http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...no%C4%9Flu.jpg
Princess Ayses official Facebook adress with many pictures https://www.facebook.com/pages/Ayse-...32104430211248
She is the most public ottoman princess in Turkey.
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04-04-2013, 06:52 PM
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Princess Ayse is an ottoman princess born 17.01.1971 in England. She is married with the English Nicholas Sutton on 27 August 1994. She has 5 children, four sons and one daughter. Prince (Sultanzade) Maximilian Ali Beyefendi, Sutton. born in London, England 15 January 2000, Prince (Sultanzade) Cosmo Tarik Beyefendi, Sutton. born in London, England 10 September 2001, Prince (Sultanzade) Lysander Cengiz Beyefendi, Sutton. born in London, England 12 April 2003, Prince (Sultanzade) Ferdinand Ziya Beyefendi, Sutton. born in Sussex, England, 26 July 2006, Princess Tatyana Aliye Hanımsultan, Sutton. born in Sussex, England, 25 March 2005. (via Wikipedia) Osmano
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Damad Nicholas suttons wikipedia Nicholas Sutton - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
pRINCESS Ayse http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...no%C4%9Flu.jpg
Princess Ayses official Facebook adress with many pictures https://www.facebook.com/pages/Ayse-...32104430211248
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Given the fact that Mr. Sutton is a commoner, is Princess Ayses allowed to confer the titles to her children?
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Ottoman rules differ to those of European Monarchies. Sultanzade and Hanimsultan * are the titles of, respectively, sons and daughters of an Imperial Princess of the Ottoman Empire. When the Imperial Princess in question had no succession rights, her children were styled as Sultanzade + Name + Bey-Efendi. They also carried the style of HH (His/Her Highness).
Sultanzade translates as a Prince, so it is quite accurate to style Princess Ayses' children as Princes and Princesses.
* I corrected the titles for daughters of Imperial Princesses.
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The childrens of the princesses becomes titles as princess and prince too but then end the titles.
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Ottoman rules differ to those of European Monarchies. Sultanzade and Sultanzada are the titles of, respectively, sons and daughters of an Imperial Princess of the Ottoman Empire. When the Imperial Princess in question had no succession rights, her children were styled as Sultanzade/Sultanzada Name Bey-Efendi.
Sultanzade translates as a Prince, so it is quite accurate to style Princess Ayses' children as Princes and Princesses.
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It has been most kind of you to clarify the title situation. The rules are both unusual and interesting indeed.
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