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Old 08-20-2007, 06:02 AM
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Recently tv station TV5 aired a great documentary on the House of Osman.The family is quite dispersed,many living in France and the US,some returned to Turkey.Last week I watched the same documentary at TRT International,the turkish tv station.A pleasant surprise.
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Old 10-17-2007, 12:59 PM
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you can see here the Royal Family in exile

this is the video of Princess Nelishah

this isvideo of Princess Hanzades
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Old 01-30-2008, 12:22 PM
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i love 2 read about them .... i wish 2 see princess selma khairy raaoff the daughter of khadija sultana the daughter of sultan murad II....

She married a indian raja and her daughter keneze murad who wrote a book about her ...

any 1 have her picture ?
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Old 04-21-2008, 12:18 PM
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The Emperor of Ottoman Turkey

Who is the current pretender to the throne of the Ottoman Empire ?
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Old 04-21-2008, 12:35 PM
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The current pretender to the Ottoman throne is Ertugrul Osman V (August 18, 1912-present), grandson of Sultan Abdul Hamid II (reigned 1876 until he was deposed in 1909) via his son H.I.H. Captain Prince Muhammed Burhanettin Efendi.

Here's a list of those who are in the line of succession to the Ottoman throne (note that they use agnatic seniority: Line of succession to the Ottoman throne - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 05-22-2008, 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by ladybelline View Post
Does anyone here ever read the book "From the Dead Princess" ("De la part de la princesse morte"), written in French by Kenizé Mourad? The author is actually one of the great-granddaughters of Sultan Murad V. Her book is about the life of her mother, Princess Selma, born in an Istanbul palace, exiled from Turkey in 1924, and married to an Indian sovereign. She died in Paris during the Nazi times, after having Kenizé.

It was quite interesting to read! There is a second book called "The Garden of Badalpour", about Kenizé herself, telling how she finally reunites with her Ottoman and Indian families, years after WWII.
This book was published in english as 'Regards from the dead princess', and I am presently reading it.
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Old 07-28-2008, 06:21 PM
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I've finally managed to find a picture of Princess Selma on this page (scroll down until you find the entry "princesse Selma"):
[Cimetières de France et d’ailleurs] BOBIGNY (93) : cimetière musulman
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Old 07-28-2008, 08:55 PM
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Very interesting! Now, I'm interested in Bobigny's Cimetčre...What a story! From poor Sub-Saharian immigrants, to princess...all resting there as god children of Allah...

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Old 09-02-2008, 01:30 AM
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which raja and of what Indian state did princess selma khairy raaoff marry?
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Old 11-25-2008, 03:04 AM
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Ottoman Sultan's Topkapi Palace:

Ottoman Tugra:

Sultans and wife name
  • Ertugrul Gâzi - Hayme Hatun
  • Osman I. - Mal Hatun (1299-1326)
  • Orhan I. - Nilufer Hatun (1326-1359)
  • Murad Hudavendigar (1359-1389)
  • Yildirim Beyazid - Devlet Hatun (1389-1402)
  • Sultan Celebi Mehmed - Emine Hatun (1403-1421)
  • Murad II - Huma Hatun (1421-1451)
  • Fatih Sultan Mehmed - Mukrime Hatun (1451-1481)
  • Beyazid II. - Gulbahar Hatun (1481-1512)
  • Yavuz Sultan Selim - Hafsa Hatun (1512-1520)
  • Kanuni Sultan Suleyman - Hurrem Sultan (1520-1566)
  • Selim II - Nurbanu Sultan (1566-1574)
  • Murat III - Safiye Hatun (1574-1595)
  • Mehmed III - Handan Sultan (1595-1603)
  • Ahmed I - Kosem Sultan (1603-1617)
  • Mustafa I (1617-1623)
  • Osman II - (1618-1622)
  • Murat IV. (1623-1640)
  • Ibrahim I - Turhan Hatice Sultan (1640-1648)
  • Mehmed IV - Gulnus Sultan (1648-1687)
  • Süleyman II. (1687-1691)
  • Ahmed II. (1691-1695)
  • Mustafa II - Saliha Valide Sultan, Sehsuvar Valide Sultan (1695-1703)
  • Ahmed III - Mihrimah Sultan, Rabia Sermi Sultan (1703-1730)
  • Mahmud I. (1730-1754)
  • Osman III. (1754-1757)
  • Mustafa III - Mihrimah Sultan (1757-1774)
  • Abdülhamid I -Ayse Saniye Perver Sultan / Naksidil Valide Sultan (1774-1789)
  • Selim III. (1789-1807)
  • Mustafa IV. (1807-1808)
  • Mahmud II - Bezmialaem Valide Sultan (1808-1839)
  • Abdülmecid I - Sevk Efsa Hatun (1839-1861)
  • Abdülaziz I. (1861-1876)
  • Murat V. (1876)
  • Abdülhamid II - Gulcemal Kadin Efendi (1876-1909)
  • Mehmed V. Resad (1909-1918)
  • Mehmed VI. Vahdettin (1918-1922)
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Old 11-25-2008, 03:10 AM
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Fatih Sultan Mehmet

Yavuz Sultan Selim

Kosem Sultan

Hanzade Sultan

Neslisah Osmanoglu
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Old 04-14-2009, 06:32 AM
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We are a christan branch so its right down the line like the european way. In the muslin sense its the next eldest male in the family that suceeds
Best Regards
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Old 09-24-2009, 01:47 PM
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HIH Prince Osman Ertugrul Osmanoglu passed away aged 97 at a Istanbul hospital yesterday
due to kidney failure the Turlish Culture Ministry announced today.

He was a grandson of Sultan Abdul Hamid II, who ruled from 1876 to 1909. Osman was regarded as the head of the living members of the dynasty.
He had moved to the United States in 1933. Osman was married to Zeynep Tarzi, an exiled member of the Afghan royal family. He returned to Turkey in 1992 and was granted Turkish citizenship in 2004.

News Summary Head of the former Ottoman dynasty dies

courtesy hja

The funeral of HIH will take place in Istanbul on saturday september 26th.
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Old 09-28-2009, 02:44 PM
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A moving farewell as thousands attended the funeral at Istanbul's Blue Mosque last saturday.

click on link above please.
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Old 09-30-2009, 03:49 AM
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HIH Prince Ertugrul Osman (1912-2009)

Forbes: A Sultan's Farewell
NY Times: Ertugrul Osman, Link to Ottoman Dynasty, Dies at 97
Telegraph UK: Ertugrul Osman

Telegraph UK excerpts:

Had events been otherwise his title would have been grander still: His Imperial Majesty Grand Sultan Osman V, Emperor of the Ottomans, Caliph of Islam. He would have been the 45th head of the continent-spanning Ottoman dynasty, founded by Osman I in 1299.

As a descendant of Abdul Hamid II (who reigned between 1876 and 1909) he was the last-surviving grandson of any serving Ottoman Emperor, and the only remaining scion of the dynasty to have been born in the imperial homeland.

His death marks the end of a story that reached its zenith at the gates of Vienna in 1683. Shortly after that failed siege, Ottoman power began to decline, culminating in its collapse and the establishment of the Turkish Republic under Kemal Ataturk in 1923. The Imperial Family was subsequently expelled, and Osman, who was abroad at the time, did not return to Turkey until 1992.

Ertugrul Osman was born in Istanbul on August 18 1912, the youngest son of Prince Mehmed Burhaneddin and his first wife Aliye Melek Nazliar Hanim, and spent his toddler years roaming the mahogany parquet corridors of the 285-room Dolmabahce Palace, which clings to the banks of the European side of the Bosporus.

In 1994, with the death of Mehmed Orhan, son of Prince Mehmed Abdul Kadir, Osman became the eldest surviving member of the Ottoman dynasty, and heir – in theory at least – to the title of Pretender to the Sultanate. In his final years, Osman finally accepted a Turkish passport, using it to return on several occasions to Istanbul. "I do not have much time left. I want to be in Istanbul all the time," he said.

It was also in Istanbul that Osman was placed in intensive care a week ago, and died on September 23. According to Turkish reports he will be buried near the tombs of Sultans Mahmut II and Abdulhamit II in the Cemberlitas district of the city.

He is survived by his wife, Zeynep Tarzi Hanim, an Afghan princess.
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Old 10-29-2009, 05:28 AM
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Very helpful website if you're interested in Ottoman History. (in Turkish) (in English)

As a Turkish, I am absolutely fell in love with every kind of Ottoman architecture.
Everything we see in the world, is the creative work of woman.- Mustafa Kemal Atatürk
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Old 12-09-2009, 10:36 PM
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Ottoman monarchists in Germany:

Ottoman Club - Defenders of the Ottoman Throne
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Old 12-09-2009, 11:47 PM
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The Telegraph's obituary - Princess Ferial Farouk

Quote: "In exile in Rome, Farouk was astonishingly strict with his daughters. According to his biographer Hugh McLeave, they had to seek his permission to cut their hair or varnish their nails..."
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Old 01-20-2010, 05:57 PM
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I am a living heir of the house of mendes and Nasi which is a house that married some of its members to the ottomans.
Murat III - Safiye Hatun (1574-1595)

So i consider them my blood!
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Old 04-29-2010, 01:40 PM
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The Royal House of Osman Archive

As on today, there are hundreds of Princes and Pashazades. You are all lost and some of your brothers, cousins and sisters do not know that they belongs or care blood of the Royal House of Osman. Some people trying to hide or do not recognize those titles.

As we all know, Abdil Hamid I had many sons including Mustafa IV (1807–08) (his son by Ayse Seniyeperver), Mahmud II (1808–39) (his son by Naksh-i-dil), Murad, Nusret, Mehmed, Ahmed, and Suleyman.

Some of them got married and had sons and daughters. - and some of you have their blood and roots and you belongs to Royal House of Osman and you have brothers and sisters. You are not alone.

Only in end of 1990- 2000 were found:
MUSTAFA IV - has only 1 (one) daughter from Suleymanthe Great - and name of this daughter was Nilay (Emine) Sultan ( 1808). She was married to Daud Pasha and they had son Sultanzde Abdulkerim who was born in 1830.

Sultanzde Abdulkerim was also married and had children including 2 boys: Shabgul (a.k.a Shab gul Mustafa - 1860) and his younger brother Sultan Mustafa.

Sultan Mustafa died in Iraq. And his older brother Shabgul Mustafa - carried Sultan's body days and nights all over Iraq desert to bury his body near family. ( This information was confirmed in 1999) by descendants who moved from Iraq to Azerbaijan.

Shabgul Mustafa was married to women from Azerbaijan and had a son, which was named after his brother Sultan Shabgul Mustafaev ( 1889-1945)

Sultan Shabgul Mustafaev ( 1889-1945) had 3 wife and 4 issue.
  • Inna Mustafaeva
  • Kazbyla Mustafaeva
  • Nyugbar Mustafaeva
  • Malik Mustafaev
They all were born in Baku Azerbaijan

( as you can see they all carrying last name Mustafaev, since at that time governments required to have not only First name, but Lasts name. more details about it you can find in Wikpedia and Archive of Ministry of Culture of Turkey)

Note: If some one will ask why man had so many marriages? Answer: Man got married until he will have male issue. it was important to have male, who will care name of the father's family.

Son of Shabgul Mustafa was Malik Sultan Mustafa(ev) was married to Russian women Elza Klunicheva who had issues of 2 (two) sons: Vasiliy Malik Mustafaev ( 1955- alive) and Sultan Malik Mustafaev ( 1961 - alive)

Both of them had issue:
  • Vasiliy Malik Mustafaev ( 1955- alive) / Nadezhda Shabanova (1955)
    - Son: Konstantin V Mustafaev ( 1980) alive, live in Canada ( Male model)
    - Daughter: Ludmila V Mustafaeva (1979) alive, live in Russia ( military Diplomat)
  • Sultan Malik Mustafaev ( 1961 - alive)/ Flora ( unknown) (1965)
    - Son: Malik Sultan Mustafaev (1992) alive, live in Russia ( Military cadet)
    - Daughter: Fakia Sultan Mustafaeva (1990) alive, Live in Russia ( Since worker)
As you can see, roots are spreading. There are missing information on all families descendant of Mustafa IV ( and his daugther Emine Niley Sultan - married to Daud Pasha).

However they they are all Princes and Princesses with no right on throne. The only people who has right on throne ( by today is only one person)

Osman Bayezid Osmanoglu - (23 July 1924 - alive) He was born in France and become 44th Head of the House of Osman (2009-...after death of Ertugrul - Osman V, who died in 2009. ), great-grandson of Sultan Abdülmecid I.

Based on Archive and records we have. There are quite a lot of Princes and Princess which carry blood of Abdul Hamid I.

About Timur Can (1978) descendant of Mehmed Murad V (1840). Murad V was 29th Ottoman Sultan. Even he related trough Fehime Sultan Daughter of Murad V - he still has right to care title of Prince of the Royal House of Osman.

Considering that Mahmud II was brother of Mustafa IV and had same father - Abdul hamid I (1725-189) then Prince Timur Can ( 1978) Germany alive, Prince Konstantin V Mustafaev (1980) In Canada alive and Prince Malik Sultan Mustafaev (1992) in Russia alive - are relatives by blood. There are many in USA, CANADA, RUSSIA some of them returned to Turkey.

The separation starts from Abdulmecid I and Murad V - which is 2 generations

As I mentioned above, you have a lot of relatives by blood. However I can see that there are missing Parts of Prince Timur on his parents and grand parents. This information is not in public records of Ministry of Culture of Turkey.

And this is very important for all of you to keep in touch with your relatives and support each other as members of the Royal House of Osman.

This information is official from sources of Ministry of Culture and Tourism of Turkey, Archive of General Library of Turkey - for the public release and domain.

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