The Tatar Khanate of Crimea: Genghisid Giray Dynasty

[chaz]

Is this the movie starring John Wayne and Susan Hayward? Please oh please do not get your history from that! Instead read THE SECRET HISTORY OF THE MONGOLS by Jerimiah Curtin, an out of print book but well worth the effort. CHAZ Allright but I am still leary of getting history from movies, but I could be wrong in this case. I still recomend the above book as your best bet. CHAZ

[Warren]

No, a bit more recent than John Wayne. 2007 to be exact.
see here:
Mongol, the film: Official website
Wiki

[Behiç Giray]

One of the interesting things is Girays' service to Ottomans.. There are some dialogues about it:
"Safavid Shah's Wife: You, Girays, are member of more noble and older dynasty than Ottomans. Why do you serve them? We know that your ancestor, Genghis, destroyed a lot of empire. So, you can do it again. You're talented to do it. If you want, Ottomans serve you.

Adil Giray, a Crimean Prince who was prisoner of war in Iran: We are members of a noble and old dynasty. It is true. But we are happy with our service to Islam and our Turkness. Ottomans are our brothers, not our master! We don't serve them, we serve Islam. If we betray our brothers, we are dishonest! We can't live without our honour.."

quote from Namık Kemal's book "Cezmi"
P.S: This book is only in Turkish.

[Behiç Giray]

Some photos from Our Old Palace "it is a museum now"
Han Saray/Khan Palace










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[TunTeja]

I hope there is a continuity to this. I will be very interested to know the history of the Genghiz Khan, the Tartars and Mongols bloodline and history until now.

[Behiç Giray]

You can ask me what you want to learn.

[PrincessKaimi]

Very informative posts, Behiç (seems to me you should have a title). Do you know the Mongol terms for positions like "eldest son" or "heir apparent" or "head of house"? The house name is Khan for a long time, is that correct?

Anyway, I guess I'd just like to know more about naming conventions and the language in general. I appreciate any information along linguistic lines.

The pictures above are lovely, by the way. We once had a chance to go out of our way to see the Palace, but were too pressed for time, and now regret that we didn't.

[umutger]

Giray Dynasty was the oldest and the biggest family and one of the mightiest goverment in the world. The dynasty finished at 1790 years but still the grandsons are living. For understanding the importance of that family, we can say that, Kubilay Khan which Marco Polo visited was their grand uncle, Hulagu Khan which burnt Baghdad was their again grand uncle. Also again for understanding its importance I must add that more than 1000 years in central asia and middle east the kingdom families couldnt use "Khané(king) after their names because only Chengiz family can use this title.
Giray Dynasty was the last Chengiz Khan family.

My name is Umut GERGIN and I am also comign from Giray Dynasty and I am a Giray Prince, Behic Giray is also in our family and he is one of my far cousin.

Also I saw a question about the head of the Giray Dynasty, there is no head because Kurultay (the group which occured from old people) is choosing the right giray price as Khan. All Giray family was muslim and still they are muslim. They lost their mongolian character and became Turkish but as you know turks and mongols are coming from the same root.

[Cory]

Which is the reaction of the Giray Dynasty to the situation in Crimea now?

[l.m.a.ilkersancak]

Dear Cory, Some Giray dynasty member still live in sevastopol and other cities in crimea and family and other tatars support ukranian gov.in crimea against russia they declared it.
Dear Behiç do you know turkish?

Lord Minister Evaoglou Captain Alexakis A. Ilker Sancak of Manahosz of Surmenia-Trabzon (Καπετανος Αλεχακις δο Ποντος

[Cory]

The situation of the tartars under Russian occupation could become very difficult:

Crimean Tatars commemorate Soviet deportation despite ban | Reuters

[l.m.a.ilkersancak]

Yes :( Putin is just Soviet's the Right-wing twin. Idiot peraon. God save Tatars and Ukranians in Crimea

Lord Minister Evaoglou Captain Alexakis A. Ilker Sancak of Manahosz of Surmenia-Trabzon (Καπετανος Αλεχακις δο Ποντος

[Cory]

Maybe the tartars wait their old Sovereign Family to speak for them.

[l.m.a.ilkersancak]

Maybe but there is no official dpeaker from dynasty. No one doesnt know who is the head of house???

Lord Minister Evaoglou Captain Alexakis A. Ilker Sancak of Manahosz of Surmenia-Trabzon (Καπετανος Αλεχακις δο Ποντος

[Can Giray]

Originally Posted by Behiç Giray

Hello, I see your Family Tree, and you belongs to the Giray Dynasty ONLY to a female Member. You Ancestress was Bahriye Erigray. So how you can Claim to be a Prince of the House of Giray? you didn't belong in ther paternale Line to any Khan, only from your Fathers side trough a female member Princess Bahriye Ergiray. ONLY male Line is Heir's to the Throne.

[Cory]

Nobody of the Princes of the House of Ghiray says anything about the situation in occupied Crimea?

[Can Giray]

Originally Posted by Cory

Nobody of the Princes of the House of Ghiray says anything about the situation in occupied Crimea?

No, because the Members of the Dynasty didn't live in Crimea since many centurys. Also in the Ottoman time, when the Khanate was existed, the mostly Members lived in what is today Bulgaria and Turkish East-Thrace in the Citys Edirne, Vize, Silivri, also the Island of Rhodos and Limni.

[Ceallach]

This site lists heirs for Crimea and lists their genealogical sources as Burke´s Peerage and Baronetage (Les familles princieres de l´ancien empire de Russie), A Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Landed Gentry of Great Britain, An Online Gotha, etc. It looks like the family left the area for the US in 1923 for NY and now live in London.

The Heirs of Europe: Crimea

[Can Giray]

This Members is only ONE of many lines of the former Giray Dynasty.
NOTE: ALL male member or the paternale Line who traces back to any Giray Khan, is a Heir.


Mostly desecantas from Sahin Giray lives in Turkey.

[umutger]

Yes Behiç can speak Turkish as like me. Hepimiz Türkiye de yaşıyoruz.

QUOTE=l.m.a.ilkersancak;1659583]Dear Cory, Some Giray dynasty member still live in sevastopol and other cities in crimea and family and other tatars support ukranian gov.in crimea against russia they declared it.
Dear Behiç do you know turkish?

Lord Minister Evaoglou Captain Alexakis A. Ilker Sancak of Manahosz of Surmenia-Trabzon (Καπετανος Αλεχακις δο Ποντος[/QUOTE]