The Ancient Kings of Israel and Judah

[XeniaCasaraghi]

I apologize if this is off topic because it doesn't have to do with David or the Ancient Kings of Israel.
Does anyone know if any member of a royal family since about 1500 ever married someone Jewish or had a Jewish mistress? Or were Jews in various countries only allowed to become part of the nobility and never allowed to marry into royal families? JW THanx

[Adam Neira]

An interesting article on the subject is...


"The Special Status of the Davidic Dynasty" by Rav Mosheh Lichtenstein


Comments welcome.

[desposito]

Originally Posted by auntie

Well there are Jewish nobility like the family Rothchild, Baron Hirsch and others, but they have no connection to King David and his descendants.There were also the Hasmoneans, the leaders and self made kings in the times of the ancients Greeks. Being Jewish myself, I do know that the Royal house of Judah was known well into Byznatine times, and there was a head of the house known as "Nasi" But today we are scattered to all corners of the earth, and very few today have lineage to the ancient kings of Israel

My Spanish ancestors are from the House of Nasi. I'm a direct descendant of Nasi-Benveniste-haLevy-Dela Caballeria of Spain and France. I know Nasi is from the line of David I'm still working on what is between Isaac ben Josef Benveniste Nasi (my 24th Great Grandfather) and King David.

[desposito]

Originally Posted by XeniaCasaraghi

I apologize if this is off topic because it doesn't have to do with David or the Ancient Kings of Israel.
Does anyone know if any member of a royal family since about 1500 ever married someone Jewish or had a Jewish mistress? Or were Jews in various countries only allowed to become part of the nobility and never allowed to marry into royal families? JW THanx

Yes! Once born a Jew you are always a Jew through the mothers line! Just because a Jewish person converts it does not erase the fact that they are still Jewish. This is why in Spain a Jewish convert was not allowed to marry an "old Christian" The converts were labeled as "new Christians"

Many marriages took place among royalty to converts. King Ferdinands Grandmother (Henriquez) was a New Christian from a family of Converso Jews. This is a part of my own direct family tree.

[desposito]

And for FUN! Davidic ancestry of the royals.

Miriam ha Kedosha Queen of Zion: Davidic Ancestry of Prince William and Prince Harry

[Artemisia]

I'm afraid any credibility this article might have had evaporated as soon as I read the following line:

Christian IX of Denmark may have been the son of Louis XVII.

[Mariel]

This is such a great thread! Thanks to all! I see that not all converge on what may be the facts, but if one really put all of these posts together (monumental effort) one could come up with something that might be "the facts". I am fascinated that several here claim Jewish descent.
I believe I have SOME Jewish descent because my matrilineal DNA was revealed when I was gene tested for another reason entirely. My descent J1c2b is said to be from ancient Israel and or the territories out of which Abraham emerged, and 11% of Irish people in Ireland have this descent (my mother was 100% Irish for many generations).
Furthermore, on my dad's side, I descend from the Pollock family of 12th century Scotland, who served the to-be Stuarts both in England and then Scotland, and the first names of generations of descendants of the "founders", Peter Pollock and Robert Pollock, were "Jewish" such as Perez de Pollock and Peretz de Pollock. From this line I got my Porphyria gene, which is why I was researching the family at all.

The claimed descent of the British royals from David runs, I have read in many sources, through Tia Tephi, daughter of Zedekiah, who was taken in exile to Ireland by Baruch, who married a descendant of Perez, son of Judah, who already had emigrated to Ireland. There is also a story of a sister of Tia Tephi, who also escaped the destruction of Zedekiah's household, and who stayed in Spain. Her name was Zara, which raises interesting thoughts about the name of Princess Anne's daughter. This is what is recorded many places but I would certainly bow to any of the Jewish posters who would discount it.
Here in New Mexico, USA, where I presently live, there are many descendants of "new Christians" from Spain. In fact, it is thought that all of the original Spanish settlers of Santa Fe (the oldest capitol in America) were of hidden Jewish descent. I know many people descended from those few original names. The Prince and Princess of Astrurias visited Santa Fe on the 400th anniversary of its founding.

I intend to try to get some of the books mentioned on this thread. Here is another one, which may be only partly accurate, but is interesting: "When Scotland Was Jewish," which recounts the tales of full or part Jewish immigrants who went to Scotland in the Middle Ages to escape persecution. The authors also have a book on the "hidden Jews" of Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA. The authors, whose names I forget, claim the "Stuart" family of Scotland was among the many Jewish descendants; I would suspect that the Stuart line might be a partial Jewish descent, but that is just my supposition.

I am in disagreement with the Gardiner books about the Holy Grail. I read both versions, the first being entirely different from the second. The first one had a good genealogy in it, which, however, did not go back far enough to prove descent from the Jesus or Jesus' family. The second one did not have the genealogy in it, but was more a companion piece to the fictional story about Roslyn Abbey.

Prince Michael of Albany was exposed as a fake some years ago.

[norenxaq]

Tea Tephi was probably a late mediaeval/early modern concoction. as for gardiner, avoid anything by him

[Mariel]

Yes Tia Tephi is not in the Bible, I believe, but the escape of Jeremiah and Baruch with the daughters of Zedekiah , after the murder of the male descendants of Zedekiah, is in the Bible. What their names were is not recorded in my Bible (King James version). I know a man in northern Ireland who says the grave of Baruch (Jeremiah's scribe) is near his home. That Jeremiah escaped is clear, but whom he brought with him and to where could be speculative. If he brought the daughters of Zedekiah out of Israel after the slaughter of their brothers, there could be a female line descent there.

The New Testament does record the descent from David of both Joseph and Mary, the parents of Jesus of Nazareth. Gospel writer Matthew records descent through the "cursed" line of Solomon to Joseph, while Luke records the descent through the uncursed line of Nathan, a brother of Solomon and also a son of David, to Mary. People say the genealogies of Jesus in Matthew and Luke are not consistent, but they are consistent if you realize that one is based on descent from Solomon and another is based on descent from Solomon's brother Nathan.

[LadyMacAlpine]

The British Israelite's wrote a letter to Queen Victoria of Britain telling her she was a decent of King David through the Queen of Ireland Teia Tephi the daughter of Zedekiah. Born Jerusalem, Judah, Israel. Queen Victoria wrote them back saying yes she knew.

[SLV]

Originally Posted by Mariel

The claimed descent of the British royals from David runs, I have read in many sources, through Tia Tephi, daughter of Zedekiah, who was taken in exile to Ireland by Baruch, who married a descendant of Perez, son of Judah, who already had emigrated to Ireland. There is also a story of a sister of Tia Tephi, who also escaped the destruction of Zedekiah's household, and who stayed in Spain. Her name was Zara, which raises interesting thoughts about the name of Princess Anne's daughter. This is what is recorded many places but I would certainly bow to any of the Jewish posters who would discount it.
Here in New Mexico, USA, where I presently live, there are many descendants of "new Christians" from Spain. In fact, it is thought that all of the original Spanish settlers of Santa Fe (the oldest capitol in America) were of hidden Jewish descent. I know many people descended from those few original names. The Prince and Princess of Astrurias visited Santa Fe on the 400th anniversary of its founding.

Originally Posted by LadyMacAlpine

The British Israelite's wrote a letter to Queen Victoria of Britain telling her she was a decent of King David through the Queen of Ireland Teia Tephi the daughter of Zedekiah. Born Jerusalem, Judah, Israel. Queen Victoria wrote them back saying yes she knew.

This is a very interesting video about British Israelism and about whether it is real. Based on facts, not fancy.
https://youtu.be/HaKpI7tpryc

Also a video about any possible Jewish or Muslin ancestors to the British RF. Again going by facts.
https://youtu.be/E0bbsq6iGag