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Cyme According To Herodotus

Long before the use of Chimaera as a forge mountain by the ancient Cymry, these Aeoleans down from Japheth were called the children of Elisha. They are in the Holy Scriptures as the people who provided dyes and other goods to all nations. They had a system of government which provided for tax free trading amongst 11 or 12 great cities. This time frame is roughly 3000 B.C. The Cymry come from Cyme. Again, I do not know if Herodotus' "y" is a "y" or a "gamma" in Cyme. This city was located above Phoenicia and was later called Phocaea. Herodotus says that Cyme or Phocaea was one of the oldest cities on earth and that it had colonized Chimaera. The citizens of the area had to flee Chimaera in 450 B.C.with Amorges and they returned to Cyme or Phocaea to make ready a mass migration. Herodotus says they used Athenian pentaconters to carry the people and that they had 60 of them. They also went with the rounder type merchant ships later called "nao." (Please rember KourNAOvioi or Cornovii...we all know Cymry are down from them--Cunedda's line). As soon as they left, the Persians invaded and took Phocaea. Herodotus says they found an empty city. The pentaconters were state of the art fastest things known to man then and held many people in their holds. The Phocaeans first went to Corsica and then spread out from there. They were welcomed into Magna Graecia (Italy) by the Etruscans over time and had a special city called Velch . I guess we need to look for sunken pentaconters in the Corsican waters. We also should plan to test archaeological finds of Y DNA against British (and Americans).

One has to remember the Oenotrians were originally out of the Pelopponese and were descendants of Minos, grandson of Menes of Egypt, himself Minishtushu son of Sargon the Great of Sumeria. The Oenotrians had begun to settle the peninsula of Italia around 1500 B.C. They used Morges (a village later known as Ephesus) near Troy as one of their trading centers. The merchant ships (which also were warships as necessary) roamed from the Middle East clear to Marseille, and eventually all the way to Sweden. In short, the Cymry have been able to plan as a group. They have been a Nation without just one land for a long time. As long as they have kept their native language, now 3500 years old, they have been able to organize for survival. The Good Lord has accomplished this. Since they speak a form of ancient Aramaean with Luwian words added, they will be able to speak with Christ in His Very Own birth language.

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Arthur the King...Grandson of Cunedda?

All of the past history of the ancient people of Elisha (Aeolean Cyme and Chimaera to Oenotria and the western Mediterranean and out to Britain) culminated in a Christian king named Arthur. As I have suggested, he has the exact same DNA as Cunedda and Cunedda's direct male line descendant Henry VIII of England. His name was Owain Ddanwyn Ap Einion Yrth (Uther?) Ap Cunedda...Yrthur for short. He inherited the Kingdom of Rhos from his grandfather. He built a castle in Rhos with 14 foot thick walls. Why? He had to protect against incursions of Roman-trained barbarian cohorts. He had the burden of fighting for the organization of Britain. (His grandfather, Cunedda, descendant of Noah, the Aeolean Greeks, the Minoans, the Bituriges "kings of the earth," the Armorican and British kings, had divided the whole of the Isle of Britain in twain with his brother. Then Cunedda slew his brother to take the whole.) Yrthur's forge in Rhos was called Caliburn. I have seen a photograph of It. It is Margianan and Chimaeran in construction. The swords Arthur designed there...the camlanns of the Scots...bore the engraving Ex Caliburn..."out of Caliburn. " He put Argyll and Agr and Rhos and Cateness together. The people were mixed Cymry and Scots (people from an Athenian deme called Skotussa. They are the ancient Hatti (Chattan) and were dispersed for safety to trading ports like Kato Doli in the Pelopponese, Corinth, Lake Scodra in Epirus and Lake Como in the Veneto of Italy before the isles became their home. We still remember the Kournaovioi were the Lord's of the Isles. They were the Clan Morggan and married into the Jarl lines of Orkney and other isles. They received Cateness and were Jarls of Cateness. Then they were Mormaors of Moray, then Mar. They were deposed in their mormaerships by David 1st of Scotland. Then they married into David's and Henry 1st' families so no harm done. Today some Morgan famies carry the most royal blood of Scotland, England and Wales bar none.). Arthur was fostered by the Kay clan (now a sept of Davidson). His kingdom of Rhos was under the Kay rule on his behalf when he took the High King coronation. This is from history of the Cymry. I have seen a painting now in Britain that was done in his lifetime and outlines his holdings: England, Scotland, Wales, Denmark, Norway, Italy, France (He had Arles, known as Fergus' Court in France, since Fergus the Great had to serve two years as interim Emperor of Rome. Pharamond and his son-in-law, Clovis, held Court at Treves until Clovis captured Arles.). The Kings of Europe affirmed fealty to the High King of Britain. It probably explains why his favorite grandson, Hoel III of Aquitaine, had him help in planning.

The whole point of any historical look is to arrive at the Truth. Of anyone would like to like to poke around those 14 foot thick walls in old Rhos, look for Damascene steel of around 500 A.D. It was the happiest sword a man could have. It should be a coin haven. Look for world issues of 200 A.D. to 550 A.D. Arthur's issues should have carried "The Lamb of God Which taketh away the sins of the world." It is a Holy Lamb with banners behind. It was also Sir Owain's and Galahad's shield emblems.

Well...this has been quite a good time. We in UMRGGA or America wish everyone in Wales and around the whole world a lovely time this year!
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Wink A Special Message to All People Who Do Not Know their King

No matter what form of government Wales children choose, they must know their King in Heaven. Most people do not realize the reason The Good Lord appointed the kings of the earth in The Holy Scriptures from Jacob's mouth as he lay dying. The kings were to carry The Word and knowledge of God to all peoples. They were to keep earthly laws in harmony with The Holy Word. They were to provide safety and peace for the benefit of rearing young. They were to point the people toward Salvation. This link is a beautiful message for those who need Christ.

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The Black Book Of Carmarthen Secret Language

Sir Bedivere or Bedwyr was a good friend of Sir Kay (Cai in the Black Book Of Carmarthen. The book was named for the colour of its binding.) This article link below describes the discovery of secret writing in the Black Book. Arthur's military exploits are presented in poetry with references to Cai and Sir Bedwyr. ( Sir Bedwyr is buried in a secret valley in Gwynedd...supporting my theory of Owain Whitetooth being Arthur the King):


Ultraviolet light reveals hidden text in ancient book of Arthurian stories | Ancient Origins

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Sir Bedevere Again

Sir Bedevere was King Arthur's Steward of wine. He was the Boteler meaning he had to bring the great casks and giant jars of foreign wine off the ships with his servants, test the wine, rank the wine and bottle it for the King's table. It is a good thing the people of Gwynedd were almost the best wine experts in the world.

About the 14 foot walls of the Royal Castle in Rhos. I have just learned that Cunedda actually built it. He turned it over to his Dux Bellorum, grandson Arthur, when the time came. His older sons, including Tybion, his eldest, were killed. Meirion, Tybion's son, ended up founding his own line of Morgan surnamed children, culminating in Bishop Morgan. The Good Bishop translated the Holy Scriptures into the language of Wales.
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The original purpose of this Forum by its founder was to explain the Royal House Of Aberffraw and locate any claimant to Royal Honours in Wales. The founder erred in claiming the line of Cunedda died out. It is still extant in several Morgan families. He also erred in stating the line continued through an heiress to establish a New House of Aberffraw. Even Llewellyn the Great, my grandfather and my husband's grandfather, held the Throne of Wales by force only, and not under Wales Law. All female lines are considered extinct and plainly marked so in the Harleian Genealogies. The direct Line of Cunedda was brought forth to rule again in the person of Arthur, elder brother of Henry VIII. He was almost Crowned, but slain by disease received in a gift from his brother, Henry. (The murder weapon was carefully preserved by the people of Wales and is in the British Museum). Henry's own line died out. Over and over the extinct female lines have been looked at as legitimate. This Forum now contains some explanations as to the origins of the People of Wales and Scotland. Advances in archaeology are proving the Proto-Greek origin and later Greek migrations of these peoples to the British Isles. The Scots are the descendants of Skotussa a deme of Athens. It is a shortened form of Saka Hattusa. Their deme was Democratic and also answered to the King In Athens. The Cymry are the Cimmerians (not descended from Gomer but from Japheth through Elisha mentioned in the Bible). The Gwynedd Royal Family are the to be found Ancient Rulers of Britain. The People of Scotland, the People of Wales, and even the Opici (Picts) were unified not once but many times over thousands of years first under Italus, first King of Italy. He was the father of Morges, who was the Larian Lake grandfather of Morgan, the King of Britain who is proving to be the literal "Father of Britain" (please see YDNA studies undertaken by British). He was the real father of Berwyn, for whom the Wales mountain chain was named. Morgan was the grandfather of the whole of the Royalty of Wales and Scotland. The Scottish line (according to the William Forbes Skein, the famous Scottish historian) was blended into the Ancient Line of Gwynedd with the marriage of Europa, Queen of the Scots, to the father of Caractacus, High King of Britain. Caractacus fought the Romans until his well-documented capture by Rome. Caractacus'brother, Corbred assumed the Throne of Britain. He was Fergus II's GREAT-GRANDFATHER. The People of Scotland and Wales are all Aeolean. The Picts intermarried with the Irish and were displaced much by Cunedda. The Opici had been a vassal tribe of Italus in Italy, but ended up with the Gomerian Irish bloodlines predominating. (The Irish are according to ancient Roman historians the original Germanii, a Slave tribe of Cyrus the Great). The Pictish treachery against Cunedda displaced them as they created a small navy to help the Irish invade Britain. Cunedda was forced to respond. That is the point in history where King Arthur appears! King Arthur seems to have been the grandson of Cunedda.

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The Scottish people are cousins of the Cymry from the earliest times. When the Aeolean Cymry lived in Troy, captured by King Priam as he conquered Western Anatolia, the Scottis lived in Hattusa and were known as the Phrygians. This is historically sort of earth-shattering news. The Phrygian language contains words always in common use by Scottis today. The Phrygian word for son is laddie. The Phrygian word for the little knife the Scots wear is SGN ( they left out vowels in writing) or sgian today. The word actually means "attendant." Phrygian SPRN is now the Scottish "sporran." It means protector.

The Scots seem to have always lived right next door to the Cymry since 5500 years ago in oldest Armenia. The Scottish lines that are firm mixtures of the descendants of the Cymry and also the sons of Phrygia are:

All of them!

Surprise! You are not Irish!

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The Scottish people are cousins of the Cymry from the earliest times. When the Aeolean Cymry lived in Troy, captured by King Priam as he conquered Western Anatolia, the Scottis lived in Hattusa and were known as the Phrygians. This is historically sort of earth-shattering news. The Phrygian language contains words always in common use by Scottis today. The Phrygian word for son is laddie. The Phrygian word for the little knife the Scots wear is SGN ( they left out vowels in writing) or sgian today. The word actually means "attendant." Phrygian SPRN is now the Scottish "sporran." It means protector.

The Scots seem to have always lived right next door to the Cymry since 5500 years ago in oldest Armenia. The Scottish lines that are firm mixtures of the descendants of the Cymry and also the sons of Phrygia are:

All of them!

Surprise! You are not Irish!

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No. Phyrgia was originally settled by a group believed to have been from the Balkans, and of no real link to the Celts. These were the people found in the Trojan war times. The Celts appear in Phyrgia after the death of Alexander the great when they migrated into Northern Phrygia and created Galatia. The reason you find Phrygian words in the Celtic language, is because the language survived the invasion, simply being written in the Greek alphabet. Some words were adopted by the Celts.

The Celts in truth, you're right are not the ancient Celti, they are Gaels. The Gaels spread out throughout Europe and asia minor. When they came to the British isles, they became known as the Celts and eventually the Scotti. The Gaels did originally settle in Ireland. What is England, wales and Scotland were mainly settled by the Bythoni (Cymry). Eventually the Cymry were driven out of most of the island by the Celt/Gaels in the North and the Saxons. They remained in Wales and Cornwall, where traces of their language are still spoken.

So yes, for those who are of Scottish origins, our blood is most likely Gaelic, the same as those in Ireland. But our origins start in Europe, not in Phrygia. The original Phrygian tongue was considered to be similar to Greek.
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I think the Phrygian territories were captured from the original inhabitants descended from the Hattic people's. There were three invading tribes from the West who eventually blended with the Germanii vessels of Cyrus the Great to become the Irish. Those guys had been in Thessaly, spread out to the Balkans, and then we're hired as mercenaries by a local king to take Phrygia. We have to remember a celt is a type of stone axe. Our people of the Amyrgian or MRG (Amorgan or Umarggan) culture used bronze axes and carried bows and arrows before anyone else. Our YDNA today is listed in Genealogical tables as Armenian. A lot of people lump all of the migratory tribes together since they linked up in Switzerland at Lake Geneva and are all called the La Tene ((Latin) culture. But the digs are turning up celt axe makers living right next door to bronze age makers. The real tipoff for the Scottish truth is the YDNA proof linked with the migratory patterns traced through the newest archaeological digs in Thessaly ( Scotussa or Saka Hattusa) , Athens (Aeolean Tribe and Agyllians) and Albania (Scodra) where they apparently became maritime warriors of the Kournaovioi. The Kournaovioi went to Caithness and the Eastern coast of Scotland near the Forth of Forth according to YDNA records.

I honestly think the loan word theory cannot hold water since Greeks never used the word "laddie" for son. That is one language only: Scottish
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A Brief Message to Wales People:
Please be invited to come to America and settle on farms in the Shenandoah Valley. Please gather your heritage seeds and pack them in commercial packaging. Please arrange to bring your sheep over in herds. The US needs you to apply for special dispensation to show your sheep in sheep shows here. We would love for you to settle here. The sheep would love the Shenandoah Valley and it will be Blessed for you. Please see the Virginia Estates.com site to choose a farm. We have companies that can erect aromatic cedar log cottages that can be stoned up later. You should consider working together to buy Charolais Cattle (pure) in a large co-op herd to start dairy. Those PODS are a good deal. Please come to America.

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Sorry that I am resurrecting and old thread...and an older lineage I suppose.

I am a simple man and a son of a coal miners of Pennsylvania. Who is now living in a simple market town in Gwent (somewhat ironically if you are familiar with the Sons of Idwal ap Anarawd and his brother.

6. The Anwyl family are not the only descendants in a direct male line of one of the sons of Owain Gwynedd - in fact descendants exist from an elder son than the one the Anwyl's descend from.

Quoting above from James Frankcom :

""Last Ruler of Wales"

Llywelyn ap Gruffudd (1246-1282) was arguably the last independent prince among the Welsh to reign in any part of Wales. There was his brother Dafydd who followed him for six months in 1282/3 and after that some rebellions (the most significant being Owain Glyndwr from 1400-1409) but otherwise the family to which Llywelyn ap Gruffudd belonged - the House of Aberffraw - were the last rulers of any part of Wales in a legal and literal sense, maintaining their independence from the English Crown throughout most of the 12th and 13th Centuries, some time after the other realms (e.g. Powys and Deheubarth) had yielded.

"Main Ruler of Wales"

As to whether the house of Aberffraw to which Llywelyn the Great and Llywelyn the Last belonged were the "main" rulers of Wales, it can be safely said that the House of Aberrffraw had claimed paramountcy over all the other princely houses in Wales from their very foundation. They had a strong legal basis for doing so. Whether they were able to exercise that authority was a different matter. But more than any other dynast they dominated Wales consistently for over seven hundred years.

Their claim of paramountcy derived from the following:
The House of Aberffraw claimed its ancient ancestry lay with the far older 'House of the North'. This northern house were male line descendants of King Coel the Old (c.350-420AD), the last Roman "Dux" of northern Britannia who appears to have ruled from Eboracum, modern York. They asserted this claim through Merfyn Frych, king of Gwynedd (825-844AD) who was descended in the male line from Llywarch Hen (r.534-608) and before that Coel the Old (Colius Dux Britanniae).
The House of Aberffraw also claimed its ancestry lay with the 'House of Cunedda' through Essylt, the mother of Merfyn Frych. Essylt was the daughter of King Cynan of Gwynedd - the last of the House of Cunedda. He was a male line descendant of Cunedda Wledig whose right to Wales was through conquest; having driven out the Irish from Wales in c.370AD and ruled most of Wales until his death, c.425).
The House of Cunedda, ancestors of the House of Aberffraw via Essylt, mother of Merfyn, included King Cadwaladr ap Cadfan (reigned 625-634) and his son King Cadwallon the Blessed (655-682), who apart from being kings of Gwynedd were the last two named "High Kings of Britain".
Merfyn Frych, who I mentioned previously, was succeeded by his son Rhodri the Great (Rhodri Mawr). Rhodri united almost all of Wales through marriage and conquest. When Rhodri died his great realm was divided out between his three sons; the eldest son, Anarawd, and his heirs became the kings of Gwynedd and were known as the "House of Aberffraw"; the younger sons (Merfyn and Cadell) and their descendants became the kings of Powys and Deheubarth (respectively). During Rhodri Mawr's lifetime he put in place a system whereby his younger sons, Merfyn and Cadell, paid homage to his elder son, Anarawd. The younger sons swore that both they and their successors in Powys and Deheubarth (known as the Houses of Mathrafal and Dinefwr respectively) would likewise owe homage - for ever - to the descendants of Anarawd, the Kings of Gwynedd of House Aberffraw.
King Anarawd (878-916) was styled "King of the Britons" in the Annals Cambrae in acknowledgement of these circumstances.
King Gruffydd ap Cynan of Gwynedd (1081-1137), a direct descendant of Anarawd (male line, of course) reinforced the homage of lesser princes among the Welsh
King Owain ap Gruffydd (1137-1170), his son, also claimed to be "King of the Welsh" and was acknowledged as the foremost prince among the Welsh.
Prince Llywelyn ap Iorwerth (1195-1240), the grandson of Owain ap Gruffydd and popularly known as Llywelyn the Great, was acknowledged by all the other Welsh princes as their liege-lord at the Council of Aberdyfi in 1216 and recognised as "Prince of Wales" by King Henry III of England in the Treaty of Worcester (1218).
Prince Dafydd ap Llywelyn (1240-1246) was also acknowledged as Prince of Wales and paramount ruler of Wales (owing fealty to the King of England) during his short reign
Prince Llywelyn ap Gruffydd (1246-1282), nephew of Dafydd, was also recognised as Prince of Wales by Henry III in the Treaty of Montgomery (1267) and briefly by his successor, Edward I. He received the homage of all the other Welsh rulers in the 1250s and enforced his rule across all 'Waliae Pura' (that is those parts of Wales ruled by Welshmen). However, Llywelyn refused to to swear fealty to Edward I and was eventually overthrown by the armies of England in 1282.

So, when Llywelyn asserted that he was the rightful ruler of Wales he had a lot of precedence to back him up. This was why he would not tolerate the dastardly activities of Gruffydd ap Gwenwynwyn, the Prince of Powys and why the princes of the House of Dinefwr flocked to him. Llywelyn's ancestors had usually been the main rulers of Wales and because of the settlement made between the sons of Rhodri Mawr could claim paramountcy over all the Welsh (except Gwent which remained outside the lands of Rhodri) on a legal basis.

As such, the living heirs of the House of Aberffraw, in the male line, are not only the living heirs of Owain ap Gruffydd, "King of the Welsh" but are also the heirs of Rhodri Mawr and before that of Cadwallon and Coel Hen in an unbroken line stretching back more than sixty generations to the end of the Roman Empire. Heritage indeed."





"During Rhodri Mawr's lifetime he put in place a system whereby his younger sons, Merfyn and Cadell, paid homage to his elder son, Anarawd. The younger sons swore that both they and their successors in Powys and Deheubarth (known as the Houses of Mathrafal and Dinefwr respectively) would likewise owe homage - for ever - to the descendants of Anarawd, the Kings of Gwynedd of House Aberffraw."

Hywel Dda (Hywel ap Cadell of the House of Dinefwr) broke the oath, and took Gwynedd from Idwal ap Anarawrds sons Iago ap Idwal and Ieun ap Idwal, the rightful heirs to Rhodri Mawr's seat. Although later they were able to reclaim and ruled jointly of Gwynedd,


Rhodri Mawr had three sons, the eldest being Anarawd ap Rhodri Mawr. Anarawd had a brother, Cadell ap Rhodri Mawr, King of Seisyllwg. The Eldest son of Anarawd ap Rhodri Mawr was Idwal Foel ab Anarawd. Upon his death the titles should have passed to Iago ap Idwal, but it was forcefully taken from him from his Uncle and sons.

From Iago comes Owain ab Iago, of Holt, who was father to Gruffudd ap Owain and Brother of Angharad verch Iago and Custennin Ddu "The Black" ab Iago(who led a failed revolt to retake Gweyndd. Custennin's nephew Owain (ap Iago) was orphaned and he was taken as a steward to the Norman Lords and eventually were made into the Clerks of Chester and married into the Line of Hugh I of Chester De Avaranches, and the Son of Owain was named Sir William Le Belward (ap Owain) (The good Ward). The Hugh family married the Fitzhugh daughters (possibly illegitimate) into the "Belward"(ap Owain) line, thus protecting the lineage for their service to the Norman Lords as Knights and leaders of military. In the line of William ap Owain (Le Bel ward) the male decendants were married onto De Duttons, De Kingsleys, Fitzhughs and other powerful Norman families to keep the line in Nobility. William Le Belward died in Somme, Picardie, France after his military service to Hugh the Fat. Eventually they were given lands in Malpas and became Clerks for the Earls of Chester. So, thus, the senior line of Anarawd became Knights and then simple Clerks (Le Clerc de Malpas) of the Earls of Chester, but lives to this day. I may not have a direct male line (2 females), and I may have close bonds with those who have stronger claim, but this is my blood.
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The Actual Line Of Cunedda

The Harleian Genealogies delineate that the King of Gwynedd is crowned High King of Britain. As long as there is a son going down the line who is a direct descendant of Cunedda, the original House of Aberffraw is extant. The first House of Aberffraw was gathered around a Royal Holiday House on the Island of Anglesy. It was especially dear to Llewelyn The Great who was acting High King by force because he was down from an extinct female line and thought he should have it. Henry VIII had a better claim as a direct descendant of Cunedda. His line was put in by force, but the Wales people were glad to accept Arthur as their Prince since they believed his reign would be Wales' last one and Herald the Triumph of Christ as He returned for His people. When Henry killed Arthur for the Throne, the people were saddened.

The eldest son of Cunedda was named Tybion. He was killed in battle. His eldest son was named Meirion. Meirion's uncles assigned him Meirionydd and took the rest of things for themselves. Their lines died out except for Dwegfyl's. That goes down in the male line to umpty thousand male Morgans all over the world. Meirion's line goes down to Bishop Morgan who translated the Holy Scriptures into Cymraeg. He either had one son or adopted his brother's son. Either way the line is assured. They are Wynn cousins. The Wynns made sure the good Bishop was educated and supported. Although those Morgans were poor, they were looked after.

There is an old prophecy in a very old book in the British Museum about the last King of Wales being named Ap Morgan.

I always like to remember that all of the children down from that original Morgan of Britain from the time before Christ's Birth are nobility of Britain as they have kept their marriages properly Christian. The extinct female lines are precious kinfolk. Most Heads of those families are barons or earls.

If the old Laws of Wales are followed to proclaim an Hereditary High King of Britain, the line of Coel Hen would be installed. Coel Hen's line is the direct line. He had sons who made their way nicely in the world. That line is the oldest genealogically traceable on earth. That line comes down from Abraham's old birthplace, Ur.

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The Welsh Princes are descended from Ancient Tribal Aristocracies from before the Roman occupation, however most of the genealogies are corrupted tracing back to Beli Mawr an ancestor God figure. But the Mathrafal and Fferlys (Rhwng Gwy Y Hafren) dynasties both claim descent from Tenewan ap Lludd who minus Lludd aka Nodens another Celtic God (Lludd being inserted as influence from the Historia Regum Britanniae, damn you Geoffrey of Monmouth!) is the historical Catuvellaunian Warlord Tasciovanus.

Also the Powysian Dynasty never in fact was taken over by Rhodri Mawr and his son Merfyn's dynasty as we know a later King of Powys Cadell ap Brochwel (Maternal Grandfather of Cynfyn ap Gwerstan, ancestor of the House of Mathrafal) claims descent from Aeddan son of Cyngen who went to Rome and not Merfyn son of Rhodri, it is possible Rhodri invaded Powys and had placed his son on its throne however if so the Powysian Royal family were able to recover it.

Powys' founder was even the first properly known High King or more likely Governor after the Roman Occupation who was Vortigern who married Severa daughter of Magnus Maximus Emperor of the Western Roman Empire, thereby legitimising the transfer of power. It may have even been Vortigern who moved Cunedda from Manaw Gododdin to Gwynedd in a way mimicking Roman tactics.

It was also a Powysian Prince Owain Glyndwr who led the last attempt at an independent Wales, holding out quite long indeed.

I myself may be a relation of Owain Glyndwr due to a possible connection through paternal heritage all the way back to Prince Owain Brogyntyn natural but acknowledged son of Madog last King of the undivided Kingdom of Powys. I have taken a DNA test recently and are waiting on my results, If I am I might just step up and say "I'll be taking my place as Prince, move along Charlie your not needed anymore! XD"
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Old 10-21-2018, 06:03 PM
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My DNA test confirms I am of Brittonic stock. I through my ancestry have a paternal claim to the throne of Powys through Owain Brogyntyn. A claim through marriage for Powys Fadog through Glyndwr's sister Lowri, Powys Wenwynwyn through the Grey Lords of Powys and or the Lords of Mawddy, Deheubarth through Lowri's mother Elen daughter of Tomas Heir to Deheubarth, from Llewelyn the Great by marriage through the Talbots Earls of Shrewsbury, Morgannwg by marriage from descendants of Iestyn ap Gwrgant, Rhwng Gwy Y Hafren through marriage from descendants Cadwgan ap Elystan Glodrydd. And according to a pedigree of the Hughes of Gwerclas, through Elen ferch Tomas of Deheubarth a supposed descent from Llywelyn the Last himself, although that one is of course dubious.

So according to pedigrees from sources such as the Visitations, Peter Bartrum, Burke's peerage, Lewys Dwnn etc. I have a pretty good claim if I were to press it.
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