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Well,, BeatrixFan, you have completely ignored -or not known in the first place-all of the facts of history. Maoism was and is an unmitigated disaster for China. It shattered the economy and kept an immensely tallented people in a concrete body cast for decades. Its heirs, the current inept leadership, propoganda aside, has also proven monumentally inept in really dealing with a time bonb that may well explode with catastrophic results for the whole world. Ever heard of the "Great Leap Forward" and fifty million Chinese citizens starving to death. And how about the cultural revolution with its total disruption of everything, including of course, the economy. Then there is the minor fact of 50-100 MILLION deaths attributable to this madness, not to mention all the horror, torture, "re-education", prison, and the suffering and exile and all the rest of it for those still living. Talk to some of the Chinese who got out of China and then make the totally irresponsible statement lacking in understanding and compassion you have just made. Go read "Bones of the Master" if you want to get a feel of what it was to live in those times and what the Communists did to anybody who tried to live a life of religious devotion.
Nobody needs a dose of Maoism. That is nothing but blood, torture, prison, death and madness. And Nepal is a fragile and desperately poor country where a large portion of the population have been duped by those same fantasies and lies that have fooled so many. Maoism is a monstrous system that cannot be called an improvement on anything. The king was a man, a brutal man who was totally out of place but the situation in Nepal today, if history is any indication, is the beginning of a nightmare and human tragedy of appalling proportions. Go read a good history of the French Revolution and Louis XVI, another king, but a decent man, who was in way over his head in a situation he never understood nor could control.
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I disagree. Any country that is used to absolute rule needs an absolute system. China was so used to an Imperial past that they needed one man making the decisions for them. Democracy just wouldn't work. And Nepal is very much the same, it needs some kind of absolutist rule for the transition at least. China was a fragile and poor country but Maoism transformed it into the world's greatest superpower. What China has today was built on Mao's extremist rule. Yes, there were murders, assassinations, freedom curtailments etc etc but surely that could just as easily have happened under the King? Certainly the curtailment of freedom was happening under Gyanendra. Remember, the world is watching Nepal in a way that it wasn't watching China and I'm sure that this brand of Maoism will be alot more peaceful.
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Unfurtunatly I have to agree with you BeatrixFan. What is going to happen in Nepal from now on is uncertain. I can't find any better way to predict the immediate future then quoting Antonio Gramscie: "The crisis consists precisely in the fact that the old is dying and the new cannot be born; in this interregnum a great variety of morbid symptoms appears."
Hopefully the maoist party is only one of those symptoms and I do so wish that the idaology of this party will not do the same horrible damage to Nepal as it did to China.
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05-31-2008, 08:39 PM
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Does the royal family own the palaces? If they were deposed, surely they still have a right to live in their own homes?
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I'm very very sad about the situation in Nepal. Its the last hindu monarchy to go. I wish crown prince deependra hadn't killed his family(we're not quite sure about that either) but whatever has happened wouldn't have happened with king birendra alive. I just feel bad for the family's trouble (though GOD knows they've contributed) the crown princess is so young and her children barely of age.
There was some talk about her and the crown prince and the family returning to India to live with his wife's family but I don't think thats a good option. They'll never be away from nepal and I have a suspicion Prachanda won't leave the royal family alone. Nepal has changed beyond recognition since the massacre.Its very sad indeed
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I agree with your post if that terrible tragedy had never happened Nepal
would still be a monarchy because the late king and queen were loved by
the people as if they were members of the people of Nepal's own family.
I had a feeling someday the monarchy would end because the ex king
was not like by the people of Nepal and I hope that the people are
satsified with their new government and things will go well for them.
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Does the royal family own the palaces? If they were deposed, surely they still have a right to live in their own homes?
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The argument is probably that the palaces are the property of the people, i.e. the State, and therefore the people who no longer represent/govern the State no longer have the right to live in them. I'm not sure whether I can agree with that or not. Part of the problem with modern monarchies is that they become ever more ossified in tradition, with very little room to change--a far cry from history. For a fictional treatment of this, read or see Gormenghast.
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China was a fragile and poor country but Maoism transformed it into the world's greatest superpower.
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I don't mean to take this thread off topic but the current economic achievements in China only began after the death of Chairman Mao and the arrest of the Gang of Four, which is why I described Maoism as a discredited ideology. If you want to know what Maoism did to China, read Wild Swans by Jung Chang.
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I disagree though Warren, I'd say that modern China was built on Mao. Maoism had to happen in China so that it had a new foundation to build it's modern success on. Nepal will no doubt be the same.
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Royal massacre anniversary goes unnoticed in Nepal
1 Jun 2008
As Nepal remained in grip of euphoria over transition to a republic, the seventh anniversary of the ghastly royal massacre that wiped out King Birendra's family went unnoticed today with his successor Gyanendra busy packing bags after being ordered to vacate the palace...
Rest of article: The Economic Times
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Nepal back to work after republic, palace confused
1 Jun 2008
Nepal went back to work on Sunday as government offices and schools opened for the first time since the Himalayan nation ended its centuries-old monarchy and became a republic...
Rest of article: Reuters India
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Nepal's Deposed King Loses Ancestral Home in Gorkha
1 Jun 2008
Nepalese officials say the country's dethroned monarch has lost his palace in the town of Gorkha, after the leader of former Maoist rebels, Prachanda, declared it a museum...
Rest of article: Voice of America News
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This is getting interesting. Mr. Gyanendra and Mrs. Komal Shadev are no longer entitled to live in the Royal Palace. Does anyone know if Paras Shahdev lives in a state owned property or is it private? I don't understand why they are not leaving Nepal; it is more than evident that they are no longer welcome there.
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It has been reported that Crown Prince Paras and his wife and three young children are occupying Nirmal Niwas, which is privately owned by King Gyanendra.
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Nepal ex-king 'to go gracefully'
2 Jun 2008
Nepal's former king, Gyanendra, has agreed to vacate his palace within the next fortnight and live as a commoner, the home minister has said...
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Deposed Nepal king Gyanendra leaving the palace at Narayanhiti Royal Palace gate in Kathmandu, Nepal, 11 June 2008. Former king Gyanendra met the press before leaving the Narayanhit Royal palace on Wednesday to move to a modest former summer Nagarjun lodge on the outskirts of the city.
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Former Nepalese crown princess Himani along with her three children arrives Tribhuvan International Airport in Kathamndu on July 17, 2008. The wife and children of Nepal's former Crown Prince Paras have left the Himalayan nation, to start a new life in Singapore.
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Nepal's ex-crown princess, children head to Singapore
17 Jul 2008
The wife and children of Nepal's former crown prince Paras have left the Himalayan nation to start a new life in Singapore, airport officials said Thursday. Paras' family will join him in the city-state, where he has been for the past two weeks since leaving the new republic...
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I disagree though Warren, I'd say that modern China was built on Mao. Maoism had to happen in China so that it had a new foundation to build it's modern success on. Nepal will no doubt be the same.
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I compleatly disagree with you BeatrixFan. Modern China is not build on Moaism, but upon thousind years of great culture, that was oppresses during thouse horrible years of maoisem. I do not wish for Nepal to go through the same kind of opression. It is totally unnessesary.
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Yes. I agree. Maoism is not China. Cina is a very old nation and was build courageously by centuries, by its heterogeneous people and its Emperors.
It's too sad to think that Nepal has lost its King. I'm sure the current Royal Family was a disaster for the country and Nepalese , but maybe a new dinasty could have arranged things. When Monarchy ends in a country, it's always sad for me. I can't help to feel sad now...What a disaster..What a bad thing.
Bad Kings can do a great harm to they countries... 
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Nepal palace massacre survivor makes fresh start
6 Dec 2008
Eight years after watching his wife and other family members dying after being struck by hails of bullets and himself receiving grave injuries, Gorakh Shumsher Jung Bahadur Rana, one of the few lucky survivors of Nepal’s infamous royal palace massacre in 2001, on Saturday starts building a new life for himself by exorcising old ghosts and exchanging wedding vows once again...
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Nepal Ex-Monarch denies audience to Koirala
22 Dec 2008
Unconfirmed reports have it that octogenarian Nepali Congress President Girija Prasad Koirala’s repeated plea to meet Nepal’s last Monarch Gyanendra Shah stood rejected...
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No curb on Gyanendra's India visit: Nepalese govt
24 Dec 2008
Nepal’s foreign ministry on Wednesday said the government would not prevent former king Gyanendra from visiting India if he wanted to as the former ruler was now a commoner who did not require any protocol or special measures...
Full article: Times of India
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Secret royal concubine, 94, to remain at palace
13 June 2008
When Gyanendra, Nepal’s deposed king, left the Narayanhiti palace for the last time yesterday to start life as an ordinary citizen, officials cordoned off a small part of the palace so one of its most mysterious residents could continue to live life as she has done for more than half a century.
While the newly elected Maoist-led assembly plans to turn the former royal residence into a museum to underline the country’s new status as a republic, it will also honour a 60-year-old royal promise.
While Gyanendra Shah – as the former king is now officially known – settles into life in a concrete chalet on the edge of Kathmandu, Sarala Gorkhali, 94, a former concubine to Gyanendra’s grandfather, King Tribhuvan, will remain at the palace – the final member of a royal court and dynasty that ruled for 240 years...
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