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07-05-2005, 10:37 AM
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if you would like to know who would be today the king of poland nobody, because we are a "clever nation" and at the end of our monarhy times our parlament chose a new king, after he died we chose a new one  at the end it made many problems and ended with tearing poland apart from our neighbours at the end poland disapeered from europs maps for over 123 years
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12-31-2005, 01:17 PM
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Who would be the true king of Poland today?
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It's hard to say. Our last king Stanisław II August have a morgantic - wife since 1784 - Elżbieta Szydłowska-Grabowska and childrens with her counts Grabowski http://www.jurzak.pl/. And he've got childrens with his concubines: Catherine II of Russia and with princess Magdalena Agnieszka Lubomirska (her mother Izabella Morsztyn was a grandaughter of Henry Gordon 2 Marquess of Huntly and lady Anne Campbell).
After the king probably Czartoryski and Radziwiłł families and Lubomirski. The king was related to these aristocratics families with Czartoryski by mother Constance
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01-06-2006, 11:39 AM
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Rula Lenska is a British TV Celebrity and has gone into celebrity Big Brother. She's actually a Polish Countess and was born ;
Countess Roza-Marie Leopoldnya Lubienska
Has anyone got any info on her title or where it might come from?
Picture from BBC Online
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02-20-2006, 01:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Von Schlesian
Apart from the absolute monarchies mentioned above, the citizens of constitutional monarchies do exactly that - choose the people who rule them (the governments rule). Monarchs reign.
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Hi von Schlesian!
Monarchs 'reign' but behind closed doors, some of them have a deep influence in the decisions taken by their PMs. And if some monarchs show their support for one or the other candidate or their decisions (and sometimes they do), they can be very influential with the people as well.
(BTW and off-topic: do you know anything about Polish nobility? If you find an Internet site, could you let me know?)
Thank you in advance! :)
Martin
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02-20-2006, 04:46 AM
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Due to the rather sporadic nature of Poland's monarchy (Duchies, Grand Duchies under other existing monarchs, elector-Kingdoms etcetcetc), following the paths of Polands' monarchs (and why they became so) is rather a long and winding one. The nobility however are quite a lot easier to track down and follow. Though I'm afraid I cannot give any examples of references at the moment, I shall begin the hunt.
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02-21-2006, 02:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Von Schlesian
Due to the rather sporadic nature of Poland's monarchy (Duchies, Grand Duchies under other existing monarchs, elector-Kingdoms etcetcetc), following the paths of Polands' monarchs (and why they became so) is rather a long and winding one. The nobility however are quite a lot easier to track down and follow. Though I'm afraid I cannot give any examples of references at the moment, I shall begin the hunt.
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Yes, I have the same problem.  Besides, Polish territory has been 'moved' several times so I also found they overlap with Prussian principalities. 
Thanks a lot and good luck in your hunt! :)
Martin
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02-21-2006, 02:31 AM
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Link to the late Prince Charles Radziwill, my great uncle, wow!
http://www.aapm.org.ar/boletines/60%...%20ver0506.htm (Scroll down to the end of the page and you'll be able to see his picture)
Cheers!
Martin
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11-12-2006, 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by CrownPrinceLorenzo
Ahhh, so Victoria was Lady of Mann, but now it's Lord of Mann regardless of gender.
Maybe in the future, female monarchs would also be styled as King. I mean Jadwiga of Poland was crowned King. Same with Cleopatra being crowned as Pharoah. And Japanese female sovereigns have been styled as Tenno (like Akihito Tenno) in the past.
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Yes, St. Jadwiga was a King but only to time of her marriage with Władysław Jagiełło in 1386. After his crowned to King of Poland she became a Queen.
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11-12-2006, 09:42 PM
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Originally Posted by magnik
Yes, St. Jadwiga was a King but only to time of her marriage with Władysław Jagiełło in 1386. After his crowned to King of Poland she became a Queen.
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Do you think it's because Wladyslaw was also sovereign of Lithuania that's why he became co-sovereign and because Lithuania and Poland was joined together?
Do you think if Wladyslaw wasn't a sovereign, and had a lower title, do you thnk Jadwiga would've remained King?
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11-13-2006, 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by CrownPrinceLorenzo
Do you think it's because Wladyslaw was also sovereign of Lithuania that's why he became co-sovereign and because Lithuania and Poland was joined together?
Do you think if Wladyslaw wasn't a sovereign, and had a lower title, do you thnk Jadwiga would've remained King?
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Around their wedding in 1386 Władysław was only a Grand Duke of some pagan, big country near Poland. Jadwiga was a King - ruler from two years. She came from old and good conected families from both sides.
That's all true but it was much easier than you think.
After Władysław wedding and coronation in 1386 for the Polish King, Jadwiga keep her title of the King. But since her wedding Jadwiga technically become a wife of the King and she was known from this moment as a Queen. Only think - two Kings in one country?! No matter of the fact that they had different gender. That's abnormal situation specially in the Middle Ages!
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11-13-2006, 08:42 PM
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Well wasn't Wladyslaw Grand Duke of Lithuania and its sovereign?
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11-14-2006, 02:58 PM
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Yes, Jogaila (first Lituanian name) Władysław (Christian name) was a Grand Duke of Lithuania twice: 1377-1381 and 1382-1401.
Vladislaus by God's grace king of Poland, and lands of Kraków, Sandomierz, Sieradz, Łęczyca, Kuyavia, supreme-prince of Lithuania, lord and heir of Pomerania and Ruthenia, etc.
He's first-born son Władysław III Warneńczyk/ Vladislaus III of Varna was Vladislaus by God's grace king of Poland, Hungary, Dalmatia, Croatia, and lands of Kraków, Sandomierz, Sieradz, Łęczyca, Kuyavia, grand duke of Lithuania, lord and heir of Pomerania and Ruthenia .
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04-11-2007, 07:03 AM
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Originally Posted by CrownPrinceLorenzo
Do you think it's because Wladyslaw was also sovereign of Lithuania that's why he became co-sovereign and because Lithuania and Poland was joined together?
Do you think if Wladyslaw wasn't a sovereign, and had a lower title, do you thnk Jadwiga would've remained King?
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If she didn't married Wladyslaw she would be compelled to marry another man... The dynasty must going on- that was "the only rule and duty" for royal women - to give birth to heir....
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10-12-2007, 04:36 PM
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My godmother is a Poniatowski or in her case a Poniatowska and the main branch of her family is in France although her branch is in Mexico and she divides her time between Mexico City and Texas. Her cousin was Minister of the Interior under Valery Giscard D'Estaing and his daughter was a close friend of Princess Caroline. There are a few other Polish Royals but considering that Poland ceased to exist as a country for most of the 19th century there has not been a king since Stanislas Augustus (Poniatowski). If you have any specific questions about the Poniatowskis I can ask her in January when I stay with her in.
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11-16-2007, 12:27 AM
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Marie Kazimiera Sobieska was not a French princess but a member of the French nobility. She went to Poland as a child to be a lady-in-waiting for an earlier queen, Ludwika Maria Gonzaga. She married Jan Sobieski after the death of her first husband, another Polish magnate, Jan Zamoyski.
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12-13-2007, 06:50 AM
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Mikush Sapieha
Does anyone know anything about Mr Sapieha ? He is a very handsome chap and a Prince X
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12-13-2007, 03:17 PM
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I know he was on that show "American Princess".
He is just turned 41 years old.
he has two sister, including Princess Paola Saphieha, who is a model.
His IMDB page--including films and shows hes appeared in.
Michael Sapieha
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02-26-2008, 01:14 PM
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Polish Royals
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Does anyone have information on living Polish Royals?
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The Reigning head of the Royal Order, Kingdom of Poland is HRH Princess Diana Lenska, who resides in New York, NY at this time. She is setting up court in Utica, New York. She descended from Marie Leczinska, the Polish Princess who became Queen of France when she married Louis XV in 1725. Through the German line of her family she is related to Marie Antoinette. You may find her on myspace at
MySpace.com - Princess Diana Lenska - 39 - Female - New York - www.myspace.com/princesslenska
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