Ancient Egyptian Dynasties to the Ptolemies of Egypt & Palestine

[Osipi]

Originally Posted by danishjaveed

Was there any order of succession and/or a line of succession especially at the time(s) of Nectanebo II and/or Cleopatra VII/Ptolemy XV? Plus, who would/could be a pretender to the throne today?

By the time the Ptolemies came to the throne of Egypt, the Egyptian dynasties were kind of obsolete as the progenitor Ptolemy I was a Macedonian Greek. It started the Hellenistic Egypt era.

https://www.thoughtco.com/rulers-of-...olemies-172247

As for descendants of Cleopatra VII, her son, Caesarion, in full Ptolemy Philopator Philometor Caesar, also called Ptolemy XV Caesar, (born June 47 BCE—died 30 BCE), king of Egypt (reigned 44–30 BCE), son of Julius Caesar and Cleopatra VII. Ptolemy was his mother’s co-ruler, killed by Octavian, later the emperor Augustus, after Cleopatra’s death. With Caesarion as pharaoh, if the line would have continued, Egypt would then have been part of the Roman Empire.

https://www.britannica.com/biography/Caesarion

[An Ard Ri]

The opening of a 4,400 year old Wah-Tye tomb at Saqqara in Egypt back in 2018.The tomb was built for a royal official 'Wahtye' at the court of King Neferirkare and he was buried with his wife and mother.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxC-mb3_WH0

[danishjaveed]

Somewhere someone asked for opinions as to who should be the Pharaoh if Ancient Egyptian Monarchy is restored. It got me thinking about the order and line of succession in 343 BC at the time of death of Nectanebo II. Does anybody know anything about the order or the line of succession at that time (or at least in 30 BC when the Romans took over).

[Betsypaige]

Originally Posted by danishjaveed

Somewhere someone asked for opinions as to who should be the Pharaoh if Ancient Egyptian Monarchy is restored. It got me thinking about the order and line of succession in 343 BC at the time of death of Nectanebo II. Does anybody know anything about the order or the line of succession at that time (or at least in 30 BC when the Romans took over).

I’d never heard of Nectanebo until now. I looked him up - he was the last native Pharaoh, but the last Pharaoh period was Cleopatra. Judging by what I found when I Googled him, Nectanebo didn’t have any heirs..and neither did Cleopatra

[danishjaveed]

Originally Posted by Betsypaige

..and neither did Cleopatra

Ok. Then what about Maximinus Daia and his siblings?

[norenxaq]

cleopatra did have descendants in mauretania and possibly zenobia

[danishjaveed]

Originally Posted by norenxaq

cleopatra did have descendants in mauretania and possibly zenobia

Ok. Now any idea about the order and line of succession?

[Nice Nofret]

Originally Posted by norenxaq

cleopatra did have descendants in mauretania and possibly zenobia

really? How so? And who might have been the father?


Augustus made sure that no one with a drop of Agypt royal blood survived..




Really, I don't get it, why people are so keen on believing every bullshit invented, but not in what's real and whats probable.

[JR76]

Originally Posted by Nice Nofret

really? How so? And who might have been the father?


Augustus made sure that no one with a drop of Agypt royal blood survived..




Really, I don't get it, why people are so keen on believing every bullshit invented, but not in what's real and whats probable.

Cleopatra's three children with Mark Anthony were taken to be raised in Rome by Octavia. While her two brothers didn't have any children Cleopatra Selene married King Juba of Mauretania and had descendants. One of their descendants was the Emperor Elagabalus.

[Nice Nofret]

Also of the historians are sure, that those kids where killed! Show me one serious historian who thinks otherwise.

[QueenMathilde]

I didn't know there was a "bring back the Pharaohs" movement. As for the descendants from what I know it's like the British monarchy - houses died out and new houses were created.

[JR76]

Originally Posted by Nice Nofret

Also of the historians are sure, that those kids where killed! Show me one serious historian who thinks otherwise.

That Cleopatra Selene lived to become Queen of Mauretania is a well known fact acknowledged by any reputable historian. If you don't want to believe it that's up to you but I suggest that you read up on Roman history.

[Betsypaige]

Originally Posted by JR76

Cleopatra's three children with Mark Anthony were taken to be raised in Rome by Octavia. While her two brothers didn't have any children Cleopatra Selene married King Juba of Mauretania and had descendants. One of their descendants was the Emperor Elagabalus.

Thank you for reminding me about her children with Mark Antony...!

[norenxaq]

I could not find how elagabalus was related. please elaborate

[danishjaveed]

Everyone is talking about the descendants of Cleopatra but no one is talking about the order and/or the line of succession.

[JR76]

Originally Posted by danishjaveed

Everyone is talking about the descendants of Cleopatra but no one is talking about the order and/or the line of succession.

The Ptolemeis might have practiced agnatic primogeniture (as did most royal dynasties at the time) in theory but as their family history show any relative with a sharp dagger, some poison and a cunning mind had a chance to end up on the throne.

[JR76]

Originally Posted by norenxaq

I could not find how elagabalus was related. please elaborate

Elagabalus grandmother Julia Maesa was the great-granddaughter of King Ptolemy of Mauretania who was the son of Cleopatra Selene of Mauretania, the daughter of Cleopatra and Mark Anthony.

For those interested in the family the brilliant podcast The Ancient World has a series (Episode B1 >>) called Bloodline on the subject.

[QueenMathilde]

I don't see the Egyptians bringing back the Pharaohs. The Egyptians are a very religious Muslim people. The Pharaohs were thought to be ancient deities.

[Friedrich Karl II]

There is not way restore pharaotic system to Egypt. Egypt has been strongly Muslim nation already centuries and before Arab conquest the country had been strongly Christian nation already couple centuries. Last Pharaoh dynasty was already died out long time before Constantine the Great.


And it is simply impossible find any descendants of ancient pharaohs. Last members of Ptolemaios died something like 2000 years ago. It is impossible find anyone modern living descendants of pharaohs. And probably there is thousands descednandts of pharaohs considering how many wives and children some pharaohs had.


Furthermore many dynasties hardly were even any related to each others. So question who would be rightful heir as pharaoh is quiet irrelevant.

[norenxaq]

fk: a person can declare himself king regardless of lineage