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Old 09-30-2013, 05:28 AM
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The Infanta Elena visits the King: 'It's getting better day by day'

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Old 09-30-2013, 05:46 AM
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Really I think what people want right now does not matter much. And this debate is not going anywhere.

This is a question of power and money... an old generation rooted in the power and privilege, which is ready for anything as long as nothing changes ... and a younger generation, with another view of the world, frustrated by the lack of opportunities to generate a transition. And that affects from the Crown to ordinary citizens, of one form or another, affects all society.

The king is the symbol of a system, of a generation, of a way of doing things ... and if that changes, that would generate other changes. While things do not change, all maintain their status, and now everything goes to maintain things as they are. Although this crumbling system and citizens claim changes.

This new surgery has disrupted the campaign to restore the prestige of the king... this week the king leaves the hospital, and I fear that he will not opt for the slow recovery that doctors recommend. Too many months, too many important events... a king forcing everything to come to the foreground, and a prince allow to do only what is strictly necessary.

And at this time the Princess is the weak element that they use to ensure that, easy victim to which is easier to attack without mercy. She is a dispensable element and they will not mind getting rid of her to achieve their goals.
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Old 09-30-2013, 06:23 AM
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And this debate is not going anywhere.
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Old 09-30-2013, 07:33 AM
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Queen Sofia, infanta Margarita and Maria Zurita visit king Juan Carlos

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Queen Sofia, infanta Margarita and Maria Zurita visit king Juan Carlos

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Old 09-30-2013, 07:41 AM
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The King has improved

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Old 09-30-2013, 10:29 AM
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In the US, President Franklin Roosevelt managed to win 4 elections, end the Depression, and prosecute WWII while in a wheelchair. I do believe that was a bit more difficult than being a King, so surely JC shouldn't have to abdicate just because he might not be able to walk.
Well to be fair, in the early days Roosevelt was rarely photographed in a wheelchair. And the press of yesterday while intrusive is not the same press of today, with literally everyone with the Iphone having the ability to serve as a Paparazzi.

Regardless, not being able to walk properly, or walking with the assistance of a cane is not a legitimate reason to abdicate IMO. He might need to slow down for a bit but that it. Its not affecting his mind.
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Old 09-30-2013, 10:49 AM
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Queen with The Infanta Margarita and her daughter, Doña Maria Zurita visit the King in Hospital.

La Reina coincide con la infanta Margarita y con María Zurita, durante su visita al Rey
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If people want a politician as a head of state who can be asked to resign because he or she has had 8 surgeries at the age of 75 then why don't they get one. Juan Carlos is a monarch, not a politician.
I wasn't the one who brought up a politician to compare, my point was that any politician with JC like age and poor health would have been asked to retire period. It's not about walking or on wheelchair, thus using a politician with full working capacity on wheelchair to compare doesn't make any sense. These politicians on wheelchair didn't have 2-3 surgeries per year the last 3 years, long leave and stay at home, they were working full time.
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So are you basically saying that people who are in wheelchairs can't perform certain job functions?

And Juan Carlos is not a politician. He is a King which certainly different than a politician. And for the record there have been US politicians who because of medical conditions had to have a couple of surgeries and kept their positions, albeit with a modified work schedule. For example the US representative from Illinois, I can't remember his name right away but he had a stroke and after a brief absence came back to Capitol Hill. I believe its up to the citizens to decide if someone is not up for the job because of their health.

Which brings me to this question...are you a Spanish citizen? And the reason I ask is this you are certainly entitled to your opinion and the right to express it....but at the end of the day...only the opinion of the Spanish matter.

So... what do the Spanish think about the King's health. Do they think he should resign, or do they expect him to slow down while he recuperates and have Felipe pick up the slack?
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Please keep this thread civil,several post/replies have been deleted one in particular was in very poor taste!
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So are you basically saying that people who are in wheelchairs can't perform certain job functions?
I never said this, I think you need to read properly. I said a country couldn't take a long absence of the Head of State due to poor health, ex. 8 surgeries the last 21/2 years, this can't (shouldn't) go on forever. A few months ago, more than 50% of the population had wanted him to retire, that was before this surgery, now I have no doubt the number would be higher. But it doesn't matter, JC flat-out refused to abdicate, he called a press conference announcing it, I doubt anyone is forcing him to abdicate this moment, by the law, nobody can force the king to abdicate either.
We were only discussing what was best for the monarchy, for the country.
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So are you basically saying that people who are in wheelchairs can't perform certain job functions?
That is certainly the impression that I have been left with after reading all of that posters views......old=need to be put into retirement, in a wheelchair=unfit to do the job.
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Old 09-30-2013, 07:34 PM
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I never said this, I think you need to read properly. I said a country couldn't take a long absence of the Head of State due to poor health, ex. 8 surgeries the last 21/2 years, this can't (shouldn't) go on forever. A few months ago, more than 50% of the population had wanted him to retire, that was before this surgery, now I have no doubt the number would be higher. But it doesn't matter, JC flat-out refused to abdicate, he called a press conference announcing it, I doubt anyone is forcing him to abdicate this moment, by the law, nobody can force the king to abdicate either.
We were only discussing what was best for the monarchy, for the country.
At that time, newspapers reported that 1000's marched calling for him to go. A march organised this weekend saw a few hundreds take to the streets. So there is an ebb and flow to public opinion, and one poll does not give a clear answer.

The issue for Spain isn't the King or even the Monarchy - it's the economy. And blaming a constitutional monarch for that is unrealistic.
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I meant SIGMA poll taken in May this year, 55% wanted JC to abdicate, 11% more than the one taken in Jan 2013.
I don't think public blames bad economy on JC or the constitutional monarchy in Spain, but bad economy and high unemployment rate make people less tolerance with corruption, influence peddling, shaddy business (and etc) that involved JC's mistress, his daughter and son-in-law, even JC himself indirectly.
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