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Old 10-08-2021, 02:48 AM
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King Juan Carlos wants to return to Spain before Christmas


https://www.lavanguardia.com/politic...a-navidad.html
I really cannot see JC return to Spain in a hurry, unless he was gravely ill. I would be surprised if he had the support of Felipe to even explore the possibility.

All of this is made even more difficult as J-C did indeed devote his entire life to Spain, and the Bourbon dynasty.
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Old 10-11-2021, 02:36 AM
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The Spanish prosecutors office is planning to close the investigation into Juan Carlos due to lack of evidence. As far as I can tell the lawsuit in the UK, the paternity suits and the Swiss investigations are still pending. He has also begun planning his funeral.

https://english.elpais.com/spain/2021-10-06/spanish-prosecutors-prepare-to-shelve-investigations-into-emeritus-king-juan-carlos-i.html?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter&ssm=TW_CM_EN#Echobox=1633517744

https://royalcentral.co.uk/europe/sp...carlos-166871/

https://royalcentral.co.uk/europe/sp...uneral-166755/
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Old 10-17-2021, 04:09 AM
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The former King of Spain, Juan Carlos, is pleading Crown Immunity to evade explosive claims that he sent Spanish agents to Britain to harass and threaten a former lover.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...harass-ex.html
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Old 10-17-2021, 11:05 AM
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The former King of Spain, Juan Carlos, is pleading Crown Immunity to evade explosive claims that he sent Spanish agents to Britain to harass and threaten a former lover.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...harass-ex.html
IF true - and I do mean IF - that is worrying.
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Old 10-17-2021, 11:25 AM
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The King does not have powers over the Spanish secret services, the Ministry of Defense is the one who controls the Spanish secret services. King Juan Carlos had no powers to give these orders, this is not possible.
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Old 10-17-2021, 11:45 AM
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The King does not have powers over the Spanish secret services, the Ministry of Defense is the one who controls the Spanish secret services. King Juan Carlos had no powers to give these orders, this is not possible.
Indeed, officers of the intelligence- and security services in all European countries ressort under ministerial departments. Any independent order by any European head-of-state which is not backed by ministerial authority is a potential Government crisis as the minister has to take it for his/her accountability or has to resign.

Even the West-European head of state with most the executive authority in his function, Emanuel Macron, can not direct state-services without backing of the Cabinet.

But it is the Daily Fail again...
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Old 10-23-2021, 06:54 PM
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Sheesh. https://royalcentral.co.uk/europe/sp...-state-167327/

Unless this was somehow done with his consent, I still find it very hard it to believe.
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Old 10-24-2021, 05:48 AM
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Sheesh. https://royalcentral.co.uk/europe/sp...-state-167327/

Unless this was somehow done with his consent, I still find it very hard it to believe.
That one has been floating around for a while and I’ve had no idea what to think of it. Sounds like rubbish but given all the insane twists this whole saga has taken, you can’t help but wonder….
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Old 10-24-2021, 12:27 PM
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It still isn't published by any sort of reputable source, so it was a bit irresponsible of RC to just print it themselves.

Is the guy in court whom supposedly half of Spain was afraid of what he might say known to be a fantasist?
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Old 12-04-2021, 04:55 AM
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ce-affair.html


Juan Carlos, former King of Spain, is alleged to have had an affair with model and actress Barbara Rey which was recorded on secret cameras at her home
Three Spanish firms - Repsol, Santander and Telefonica - are now alleged to have paid £4.6m to keep the affair quiet under pressure from the government
Claims allegedly appear in diaries of disgraced police chief accused of being a 'state fixer', which have leaked to the Spanish press
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Old 12-04-2021, 06:38 AM
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Juan Carlos, former King of Spain, is alleged to have had an affair with model and actress Barbara Rey which was recorded on secret cameras at her home
Three Spanish firms - Repsol, Santander and Telefonica - are now alleged to have paid £4.6m to keep the affair quiet under pressure from the government
Claims allegedly appear in diaries of disgraced police chief accused of being a 'state fixer', which have leaked to the Spanish press

As explained before, legal responsibility for the actions of CeSID lies with the minister to which the service is accountable. In this case, I believe it is the Minister of Defense. If the story is true, it is a case of corruption involving a former government which is no longer in office. The King himself has no control over the intelligence servce.

You will find below a link for example to the royal decree nominating the current director of CNI, which is the successor to the former CeSID. As you can see, the Royal Decree is countersigned by the Minister of Defense as the responsible minister.

https://boe.es/diario_boe/txt.php?id=BOE-A-2020-1693
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Old 12-04-2021, 07:22 AM
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King Juan Carlos made into the Irish papers and online media outlets.

https://www.independent.ie/world-new...-41109710.html
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Old 12-04-2021, 04:08 PM
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Spanish media making claims that the order came from PM Anzar after Juan Carlos asked him to bail him out.

https://www.epe.es/es/politica/20211...aign=btn-share

Few quick observations

1 this happened in 1995/6, after his relationship with Marta Gaya became public knowledge

2 Barbara Rey had gambling debts at that time she needed to pay off and had been told by friends of hers to tape JC as an insurance policy

3 the “sex tape” is technically revenge porn as well as blackmail/extortion; and is still wrong regardless of what the victim has done

4 this was not the first time somebody used private material to extort money from JC - olghina di robliant (who passed away a week ago) extorted money from him in the late 80s to avoid publication of letters which did not paint him in a flattering light - he paid to get the originals but di robliant published copies of the letters in an Italian tabloid anyway.
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Old 12-04-2021, 05:00 PM
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Spanish media making claims that the order came from PM Anzar after Juan Carlos asked him to bail him out.

https://www.epe.es/es/politica/20211...aign=btn-share

Few quick observations

1 this happened in 1995/6, after his relationship with Marta Gaya became public knowledge

2 Barbara Rey had gambling debts at that time she needed to pay off and had been told by friends of hers to tape JC as an insurance policy

3 the “sex tape” is technically revenge porn as well as blackmail/extortion; and is still wrong regardless of what the victim has done

4 this was not the first time somebody used private material to extort money from JC - olghina di robliant (who passed away a week ago) extorted money from him in the late 80s to avoid publication of letters which did not paint him in a flattering light - he paid to get the originals but di robliant published copies of the letters in an Italian tabloid anyway.

In practice, she didn't extort any money from the King himself, as the story says that the Spanish PM at the time ordered the security service, which is under the control of the government (not the Royal Household), to use three major multinational Spanish corporations (which are among the biggest companies in the country) to pay her off to get the King out of trouble.

I'm sorry, but the story sounds too fantastic to be true. If it is true, I suppose Repsol, Telefonica and Santander would expect something in return from the Spanish government for their "favor" to the King. It surprises me that Aznar and the government felt they should get involved in what was essentially a private scandal (rather than letting the Royal Household sort it out themselves) and, even more so, that they would get involved using private corporations as fronts, to which the government would be later indebted.
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Old 12-04-2021, 10:13 PM
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practice, she didn't extort any money from the King himself, as the story says that the Spanish PM at the time ordered the security service, which is under the control of the government (not the Royal Household), to use three major multinational Spanish corporations (which are among the biggest companies in the country) to pay her off to get the King out of trouble.
As I pointed out in my last post, there had been previous attempts to influence and blackmail JC into providing favours in exchange for keeping quiet about his sexual behaviour. If these allegations are correct, and I believe that there are good grounds to believe that they are, JC was still the one who initialed the process and therefore is the one who bares responsibility for the outcome - Anzar was simply the middle man.

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but the story sounds too fantastic to be true. If it is true, I suppose Repsol, Telefonica and Santander would expect something in return from the Spanish government for their "favor" to the King. It surprises me that Aznar and the government felt they should get involved in what was essentially a private scandal (rather than letting the Royal Household sort it out themselves) and, even more so, that they would get involved using private corporations as fronts, to which the government would be later indebted.
It was a government problem when your head of state is getting blackmailed over his own poor choices, bad behaviour, and irresponsibility; and is exposed to attacks from those with agendas to remove him and the political settlement he stands for. Think about the impeachment of Bill Clinton, which was ostensibly about sexual impropriety but was in fact about removing him from office by any means necessary - not an exact analogue but similar issues and motivations at work.

Some sort of Quid Pro Quo around the privatisation of Spanish State owned companies is not impossible - the whole process was poorly managed and problematic to say the least - but it's far more likely that it was a case of the companies paying the money to Barbara and the PP replacing the funds from the party's slush fund (see also: the ongoing Gurdel investigation) - that's what the article alleges anyway. Given what Spanish business and policies was like in the 1990s this sounds very believable to me.
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Old 12-06-2021, 04:06 PM
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Update on the court case against Juan Carlos in the UK

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-uk-court-told
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Old 12-06-2021, 04:26 PM
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If she was intimidated and threatened, that's horrible, obviously, but it seems pretty convenient that Corinna was willing to discuss all sorts of mundane gossip about JC before she decided on a lawsuit. Is there some reason these allegations weren't prioritized?
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Old 12-07-2021, 08:05 PM
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Judge Matthew Nicklin calls on Spanish government to confirm if King Juan Carlos is still part of the royal family as Corinna’s suit against the former king gets underway:

https://english.elpais.com/spain/202...al-family.html
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Old 12-08-2021, 02:43 PM
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From what I am reading, I believe that the issue is not correctly raised. The question to be answered is not, whether or not King Juan Carlos can be judged, he can be perfectly judged, the question or legal question that it tries to resolve is: Is the British justice competent to judge this issue or Spanish justice?. Why?because I want to remember that it was a decree law approved by the Spanish government in 2014 who established a status within the Spanish royal family for King Juan Carlos and Queen Sofia, that law is, currently, in force. The politicians have not derogated this law. ... King Felipe is not responsible for the status of his father, he does not have legislative powers, it is the Spanish state, who gave that status.
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Old 12-09-2021, 04:41 PM
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Spanish government refuses to rule that Juan Carlos has immunity as a former head of state in UK based harassment suit. They are leaving it up to the UK courts to decide if he has immunity under UK law.
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