King Juan Carlos - Fiscal Investigations, Inheritance and Exile : 2018-2022


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I wondered if the old king's name would pop up in the Pandora Papers!
 
Lipe said:
Now I would like to comment on this last interview. [...]
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I apologize if I missed a link posted earlier, but could you share the new interview?
 
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The tax regularizations, which is what the Spanish press has most influenced against King Juan Carlos, knowing that it is the only thing on which there could be evidence, since the rest have been based on speculations, which have not been proven by the press, these regularizations are legal. I want to remember that there is a data protection law in Spain and in Europe, which prevents the publication of people's bank details, and yet the Spanish press violates this, because remember that they spoke of the expenses of some credit cards . And now, what ?
 
There is also account data in Switzerland and documentation of the Saudi "gift", and of its subsequent transfer to Corinna ... because all that is being investigated in Switzerland, just as Corinna is leaking the press and giving information to the Swiss prosecutor to get rid of the accusations and harm Juan Carlos. But all this happened while Juan Carlos was king, and since he had immunity, the Spanish justice cannot judge him.

He knew it and only regularized what they could judge him by. It is not that there are no tax crimes committed, it is that his privileged position and certain legal loopholes have allowed him to escape.

Although the Spanish prosecutor's office closes the investigation, there is still an economic investigation in Switzerland and a complaint from Corinna in London.

This week on the Pandora Papers, his name has appeared as the heir to a Corinna company, and Corinna and the Mexican friend who paid for the credit cards appear together in another company in Seychelles... Although he is not directly involved, it is clear that the people around him moved a lot in opaque accounts, and there are fears that more problems may appear.
 
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The crimes investigated by the Swiss justice are crimes committed on Swiss soil, the Spanish justice cannot judge facts that are the competence of another country. In this trial in Switzerland, the Accused is Corinna Larsen, and two other people ... King Juan Carlos can only be called as a witness, who is being investigated for having committed economic and tax crimes is Corinna, the King no. The donation of the King of Saudi Arabia to Juan Carlos is not illegal in Switzerland, it is investigated, how Corinna took that money illegally from Switzerland.
In the Pandora Papers, it is the same, that Corinna has made a will in which JC appears as heir is not a crime.
 
Prinsara said:
Sure, he wants to come back to Spain and he wants to live in Portugal, but he can't really do that — without causing the trouble he says he doesn't want to make — unless Felipe gives approval, right?

These seem like more of the same rumors saying he would be back briefly last year.
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He’s so far in the valley of denial I almost feel sorry for him.
 
The Spanish prosecutors office is planning to close the investigation into Juan Carlos due to lack of evidence. As far as I can tell the lawsuit in the UK, the paternity suits and the Swiss investigations are still pending. He has also begun planning his funeral.

https://english.elpais.com/spain/2021-10-06/spanish-prosecutors-prepare-to-shelve-investigations-into-emeritus-king-juan-carlos-i.html?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter&ssm=TW_CM_EN#Echobox=1633517744

https://royalcentral.co.uk/europe/s...ons-into-finances-of-king-juan-carlos-166871/

https://royalcentral.co.uk/europe/s...-he-must-now-think-of-his-own-funeral-166755/
 
The King does not have powers over the Spanish secret services, the Ministry of Defense is the one who controls the Spanish secret services. King Juan Carlos had no powers to give these orders, this is not possible.
 
IRIS1983 said:
The King does not have powers over the Spanish secret services, the Ministry of Defense is the one who controls the Spanish secret services. King Juan Carlos had no powers to give these orders, this is not possible.
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Indeed, officers of the intelligence- and security services in all European countries ressort under ministerial departments. Any independent order by any European head-of-state which is not backed by ministerial authority is a potential Government crisis as the minister has to take it for his/her accountability or has to resign.

Even the West-European head of state with most the executive authority in his function, Emanuel Macron, can not direct state-services without backing of the Cabinet.

But it is the Daily Fail again...
 
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It still isn't published by any sort of reputable source, so it was a bit irresponsible of RC to just print it themselves.

Is the guy in court whom supposedly half of Spain was afraid of what he might say known to be a fantasist?
 
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...an-Carlos-Model-paid-4-6m-silence-affair.html


Juan Carlos, former King of Spain, is alleged to have had an affair with model and actress Barbara Rey which was recorded on secret cameras at her home
Three Spanish firms - Repsol, Santander and Telefonica - are now alleged to have paid £4.6m to keep the affair quiet under pressure from the government
Claims allegedly appear in diaries of disgraced police chief accused of being a 'state fixer', which have leaked to the Spanish press
 
Duke of Marmalade said:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...an-Carlos-Model-paid-4-6m-silence-affair.html


Juan Carlos, former King of Spain, is alleged to have had an affair with model and actress Barbara Rey which was recorded on secret cameras at her home
Three Spanish firms - Repsol, Santander and Telefonica - are now alleged to have paid £4.6m to keep the affair quiet under pressure from the government
Claims allegedly appear in diaries of disgraced police chief accused of being a 'state fixer', which have leaked to the Spanish press
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As explained before, legal responsibility for the actions of CeSID lies with the minister to which the service is accountable. In this case, I believe it is the Minister of Defense. If the story is true, it is a case of corruption involving a former government which is no longer in office. The King himself has no control over the intelligence servce.

You will find below a link for example to the royal decree nominating the current director of CNI, which is the successor to the former CeSID. As you can see, the Royal Decree is countersigned by the Minister of Defense as the responsible minister.

https://boe.es/diario_boe/txt.php?id=BOE-A-2020-1693
 
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Spanish media making claims that the order came from PM Anzar after Juan Carlos asked him to bail him out.

https://www.epe.es/es/politica/2021...tter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=btn-share

Few quick observations

1 this happened in 1995/6, after his relationship with Marta Gaya became public knowledge

2 Barbara Rey had gambling debts at that time she needed to pay off and had been told by friends of hers to tape JC as an insurance policy

3 the “sex tape” is technically revenge porn as well as blackmail/extortion; and is still wrong regardless of what the victim has done

4 this was not the first time somebody used private material to extort money from JC - olghina di robliant (who passed away a week ago) extorted money from him in the late 80s to avoid publication of letters which did not paint him in a flattering light - he paid to get the originals but di robliant published copies of the letters in an Italian tabloid anyway.
 
WreathOfLaurels said:
Spanish media making claims that the order came from PM Anzar after Juan Carlos asked him to bail him out.

https://www.epe.es/es/politica/2021...tter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=btn-share

Few quick observations

1 this happened in 1995/6, after his relationship with Marta Gaya became public knowledge

2 Barbara Rey had gambling debts at that time she needed to pay off and had been told by friends of hers to tape JC as an insurance policy

3 the “sex tape” is technically revenge porn as well as blackmail/extortion; and is still wrong regardless of what the victim has done

4 this was not the first time somebody used private material to extort money from JC - olghina di robliant (who passed away a week ago) extorted money from him in the late 80s to avoid publication of letters which did not paint him in a flattering light - he paid to get the originals but di robliant published copies of the letters in an Italian tabloid anyway.
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In practice, she didn't extort any money from the King himself, as the story says that the Spanish PM at the time ordered the security service, which is under the control of the government (not the Royal Household), to use three major multinational Spanish corporations (which are among the biggest companies in the country) to pay her off to get the King out of trouble.

I'm sorry, but the story sounds too fantastic to be true. If it is true, I suppose Repsol, Telefonica and Santander would expect something in return from the Spanish government for their "favor" to the King. It surprises me that Aznar and the government felt they should get involved in what was essentially a private scandal (rather than letting the Royal Household sort it out themselves) and, even more so, that they would get involved using private corporations as fronts, to which the government would be later indebted.
 
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Mbruno said:
practice, she didn't extort any money from the King himself, as the story says that the Spanish PM at the time ordered the security service, which is under the control of the government (not the Royal Household), to use three major multinational Spanish corporations (which are among the biggest companies in the country) to pay her off to get the King out of trouble.
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As I pointed out in my last post, there had been previous attempts to influence and blackmail JC into providing favours in exchange for keeping quiet about his sexual behaviour. If these allegations are correct, and I believe that there are good grounds to believe that they are, JC was still the one who initialed the process and therefore is the one who bares responsibility for the outcome - Anzar was simply the middle man.

Mbruno said:
but the story sounds too fantastic to be true. If it is true, I suppose Repsol, Telefonica and Santander would expect something in return from the Spanish government for their "favor" to the King. It surprises me that Aznar and the government felt they should get involved in what was essentially a private scandal (rather than letting the Royal Household sort it out themselves) and, even more so, that they would get involved using private corporations as fronts, to which the government would be later indebted.
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It was a government problem when your head of state is getting blackmailed over his own poor choices, bad behaviour, and irresponsibility; and is exposed to attacks from those with agendas to remove him and the political settlement he stands for. Think about the impeachment of Bill Clinton, which was ostensibly about sexual impropriety but was in fact about removing him from office by any means necessary - not an exact analogue but similar issues and motivations at work.

Some sort of Quid Pro Quo around the privatisation of Spanish State owned companies is not impossible - the whole process was poorly managed and problematic to say the least - but it's far more likely that it was a case of the companies paying the money to Barbara and the PP replacing the funds from the party's slush fund (see also: the ongoing Gurdel investigation) - that's what the article alleges anyway. Given what Spanish business and policies was like in the 1990s this sounds very believable to me.
 
If she was intimidated and threatened, that's horrible, obviously, but it seems pretty convenient that Corinna was willing to discuss all sorts of mundane gossip about JC before she decided on a lawsuit. Is there some reason these allegations weren't prioritized?
 
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From what I am reading, I believe that the issue is not correctly raised. The question to be answered is not, whether or not King Juan Carlos can be judged, he can be perfectly judged, the question or legal question that it tries to resolve is: Is the British justice competent to judge this issue or Spanish justice?. Why?because I want to remember that it was a decree law approved by the Spanish government in 2014 who established a status within the Spanish royal family for King Juan Carlos and Queen Sofia, that law is, currently, in force. The politicians have not derogated this law. ... King Felipe is not responsible for the status of his father, he does not have legislative powers, it is the Spanish state, who gave that status.
 
The government of Spain has not said anything yet, the article includes its own interpretation of the laws, not distinguishing between inviolability and immunity. The King has not been inviolable since 2014. The inviolability prevents charged to him crimes, he is not criminal responsible, and the However, immunity does not prevent him to be criminal responsible, it establishes that he must be judged by higher bodies of the Spanish judiciary.
On the other hand, Corinna says that the Spanish secret services are involved, therefore, she should denounce the Spanish Minister of Defense, it is who controls the secret services, not King Juan Carlos
 
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Swiss Prosecutor drops case against King Don Juan Carlos I

Today Yves Bertossa announced Swiss Prosecutor drops case against King Don Juan Carlos I. The case opened on the suspicion of money laundering was dropped after it found “the investigation has not sufficiently established a link between the amount received from Saudi Arabia and the conclusion of contracts for the construction of the high-speed train” in La Mecca.

https://www.euroweeklynews.com/2021...or-drops-case-against-king-don-juan-carlos-i/
 
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