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Old 08-29-2020, 05:37 PM
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Taki’s two drachmas worth on all this

https://www.takimag.com/article/current-affairs/
I think the only interesting thing in that was saying he kept his throne from Constantine's mistaken example.
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Old 08-29-2020, 06:22 PM
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Hmm, and the final line on Albert is insinuating there is more going on with Corinna...

That she is mostly after money seems clear; she is also still trying to get money from her former husband (who is hiding for court). As if she would need any of that after ensuring she got 65 million from Juan Carlos.
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Old 08-29-2020, 06:35 PM
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So nobody knows where the money is, right? Because it disappeared into Corinna's possession? Could she be called to account for what she did with it, or is she clear because of JC's gift statement?
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Old 08-29-2020, 07:24 PM
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So nobody knows where the money is, right? Because it disappeared into Corinna's possession? Could she be called to account for what she did with it, or is she clear because of JC's gift statement?
The most common strategies for hiding money like this are:

1) divide it up into smaller amounts and keep it in nondescript accounts

2) transform it into concrete assets (property, art, jewelry etc...) or liquid assets (Stocks, shares, bonds, portfolios etc...)

3) hand it on to others again - trust funds are popular for this

4) offshore accounts - since Switzerland is ruled out, the Caribbean and some parts of the pacific are popular for this

I’m guessing Corinna has probably hidden and laundered the money using any combination of these strategies.
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Old 08-29-2020, 07:33 PM
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I think the only interesting thing in that was saying he kept his throne from Constantine's mistaken example.
I actually think that that line about Constantine is a cliche and a misunderstanding about what actually happened. The situation in Greece in 1967 was quite different from Spain in 1981, mostly the threat of local communist parties and the degree of US involvement.

Also, as JC himself has said in the past - the 23-F golpistas never cut the lines of communication to Zarzuela or attempted to isolate JC by arresting him or placing his residence under armed guard. The colonels did cut the phone lines and did place Constantine under house arrest for all practical purposes - an important fact that often gets over looked.

Constantine's options in April 1967 were far more limited than Juan Carlos’s were in February 1981.
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Old 08-29-2020, 08:46 PM
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I agree with you, the comparison of the two coups is totally wrong. In Spain, a high position in the Civil Guard, Tejero, took the Spanish Parliament, he did not even control the media and he did not control the army.The Spanish coup, consisted of kidnapping the Spanish parliament. King Juan carlos could to speak by tv and he had the control of army.

However the colonels' coup began with control of the media, the army took over television, disable the phone lines. It was in the night. The Colonels mobilized the entire army by taking the cities, the public buildings, at night, even the Tatoi palace, and they did it through a NATO operation, which was designed for the case.
At night, the fractions of the Greek army, faced with the chaos that the situation caused, began to threaten each other, it was on the verge of the civil war.

Taki can be greek but I recognize that every time he talks about the history of Greece, he makes serious historical mistakes, on other occasions he defends the colonels saying that if the king had supported them, other times he speaks wonders of Franco.

And I don't think that Queen Sofia cared about the colonels' conviction, it was a military trial, and the death penalty was only symbolic,I think Taki must have been crying that day.
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Old 09-09-2020, 07:36 AM
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Some updates in the case

Corinna attempts to get the recording withdrawn(?) as evidence in the investigation: https://www.elconfidencial.com/amp/e...ndres_2741083/
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Old 09-11-2020, 05:32 PM
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A good piece from Der Spiegel “The Last Macho: Rise and Fall of Spain’s Former King Juan Carlos” (In English - no paywall)

https://www.spiegel.de/international...witter#ref=rss
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I can't get it to open on mobile, but here's a slightly wonky English translation.
https://unfoldtimes.com/the-last-mac...international/

I didn't know Sofia studied music and archeology. Or went to Salem.

So in JC's own words, people under 40 in Spain will only remember him as "the man with Corinna, the elephants, and the suitcases". Eeesh.
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This article was published a week ago, and I found it quite interesting. The Consortium of companies that has made the Mecca train, affirms at the end of the article that the consortium was created in 2011 and did not participate in previous construction award processes. This means that the money in question, of 2008, that Corinna said that it was a commission for this construction, this is not possible, because the consortium was created in 2011, it was then that the work was awarded.
https://www.elmundo.es/loc/casa-real...a698b45d2.html
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Old 09-11-2020, 07:54 PM
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So in JC's own words, people under 40 in Spain will only remember him as "the man with Corinna, the elephants, and the suitcases". Eeesh.
At least he’s not totally devoid of self awareness; just mostly.
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At least he’s not totally devoid of self awareness; just mostly.
Wouldn't being aware of the botch you've made of things be enough to flee? Otherwise he'd still be trying to brazen it out in España.
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Wouldn't being aware of the botch you've made of things be enough to flee? Otherwise he'd still be trying to brazen it out in España.
He’s self aware to have (eventually) realized how bad all this looks, but wasn’t self aware enough to stay out of trouble in the first place.
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Old 09-11-2020, 09:57 PM
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He’s self aware to have (eventually) realized how bad all this looks, but wasn’t self aware enough to stay out of trouble in the first place.
That would require being aware you could get into trouble (that you can't get out of).

I think that's something the article touched on. Despite both coming from exiled backgrounds (JC arguably even more so), Sofia seems to have always been more aware of carefully maintaining public goodwill, while he took it more for granted.
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Corinna continues to give interviews:
Corinna Larsen has stated in an interview published by Paris Match that the king emeritus revealed his fears, before abdicating, that he was being subjected to what the German businesswoman describes as an "internal coup", urged by both the royal family, with Queen Sofía at the helm, and the former Prime Minister, Mariano Rajoy. The publication, which has quickly become viral, shows several intimate images, one of them in particular causes a notable stir: Juan Carlos is seen dressed informally with Corinna's son, Alexander, at a barbeque. As the caption of the photo highlights, the image has been taken at La Angorrilla farm, owned by the National Heritage and located very close to Zarzuela palace.

According to Corinna, the ex-monarch was "very explicit" when he told her about his concern of two fronts working against him, the first being that of his wife and "her lieutenants", since Sofia would be in a hurry to put Felipe on the throne because she had much more influence on him than on her husband. On the second front, Larsen points out in the interview, collected by Europa Press, that Juan Carlos pointed directly at the former president of the Government, Mariano Rajoy, who wanted to "castrate him and weaken the monarchy."
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Corinna continues to give interviews:
Corinna Larsen has stated in an interview published by Paris Match that the king emeritus revealed his fears, before abdicating, that he was being subjected to what the German businesswoman describes as an "internal coup", urged by both the royal family, with Queen Sofía at the helm, and the former Prime Minister, Mariano Rajoy. The publication, which has quickly become viral, shows several intimate images, one of them in particular causes a notable stir: Juan Carlos is seen dressed informally with Corinna's son, Alexander, at a barbeque. As the caption of the photo highlights, the image has been taken at La Angorrilla farm, owned by the National Heritage and located very close to Zarzuela palace.

According to Corinna, the ex-monarch was "very explicit" when he told her about his concern of two fronts working against him, the first being that of his wife and "her lieutenants", since Sofia would be in a hurry to put Felipe on the throne because she had much more influence on him than on her husband. On the second front, Larsen points out in the interview, collected by Europa Press, that Juan Carlos pointed directly at the former president of the Government, Mariano Rajoy, who wanted to "castrate him and weaken the monarchy."
https://www.lavozdegalicia.es/notici...4210419585.htm
And now I do question whether she really did (and certainly whether she does) still care for JC. Who benefits by an interview like this? It's not him and it's not her.

Does she need the money that badly?
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I'm surprised at the accusations against Mariano Rajoy whom I always assumed was an ardent monarchist.

No surprises at the opinions on Queen Sofía who couldn't wait to be the doting queen mother.
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I'm surprised at the accusations against Mariano Rajoy whom I always assumed was an ardent monarchist.
Stanley Baldwin was also an “ardent monarchist” but he was also the man who masterminded the abdication of Edward VIII when it became clear that David wasn’t up to snuff as king. The person and and the institution are separate things - support for one isn’t support for the other, especially when the current incumbent is not living up to what the institution requires of them.
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Mariano Rajoy is a great supporter of the Monarchy.
What I understand from the interview is that King Juan Carlos probably thinks it was Mariano Rajoy who forced his abdication. But I'm sure Rajoy never wanted to overthrow The Monarquía, because he still defends the institution today.
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Mariano Rajoy is a great supporter of the Monarchy.
What I understand from the interview is that King Juan Carlos probably thinks it was Mariano Rajoy who forced his abdication. But I'm sure Rajoy never wanted to overthrow The Monarquía, because he still defends the institution today.
From what I can tell Rajoy’s relationship with JC was pretty frosty from the start as the catholic and conservative Rajoy disapproved of JCs playboy lifestyle; never mind the fact that Rajoy became PM in the middle of a major economic crisis - JCs behavior and antics in this context were at best a distraction, and at worst a dereliction of his duty as king when Spain needed stable leadership. JCs poor health was also another strike against him in Rajoys eyes too, I suspect.


Rajoy, thus being more sympathetic to S and Felipe would not come as a suprise in this context. However, there was no conspiracy per se. Just damage control and JC’s selfish inability to accept responsibility for his own downfall.

This article goes into more detail about the Paris match interview

https://www.vanitatis.elconfidencial...sofia_2752547/
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