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Old 07-08-2020, 07:05 PM
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Spanish Prime Minister Pedro Sánchez spoke for the first time about the investigation into alleged corruption in which King Juan Carlos is allegedly involved.

It reinforced the idea that democratic mechanisms work by proving that "there is justice that is acting" and 'that the Royal Household itself is making a distance from such disturbing and disturbing information and that is something I appreciate'.

https://www.abc.es/espana/abci-sanch...4_noticia.html
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Old 07-09-2020, 08:27 AM
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Spanish Prime Minister Pedro Sánchez spoke for the first time about the investigation into alleged corruption in which King Juan Carlos is allegedly involved.

It reinforced the idea that democratic mechanisms work by proving that "there is justice that is acting" and 'that the Royal Household itself is making a distance from such disturbing and disturbing information and that is something I appreciate'.

https://www.abc.es/espana/abci-sanch...4_noticia.html

Although Pedro Sánchez has said in the past that he is personally a republican, the fact is that the majority of the Spanish socioeconomic elite and a large part also of the political elite remain committed to preserving constitutional monarchy as Spain's system of government. When push comes to shove, I believe that, if necessary, they will throw D. Juan Carlos under the bus to save the Crown and the current King will go along with it while continuing to claim he knew nothing about his father's overseas funds.


D. Juan Carlos is aging though and is not in very good health apparently, so it might not come to this if the matter drags too long.
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Old 07-09-2020, 09:12 AM
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Although Pedro Sánchez has said in the past that he is personally a republican, the fact is that the majority of the Spanish socioeconomic elite and a large part also of the political elite remain committed to preserving constitutional monarchy as Spain's system of government. When push comes to shove, I believe that, if necessary, they will throw D. Juan Carlos under the bus to save the Crown and the current King will go along with it while continuing to claim he knew nothing about his father's overseas funds.


D. Juan Carlos is aging though and is not in very good health apparently, so it might not come to this if the matter drags too long.
What is happening to King Juan Carlos is really very sad.
Juan Carlos is living a big nightmare and he doesn't know how it's going to end.
I firmly believe he's not going to be arrested, obviously. Juan Carlos will have access to the best lawyers and will have many people to help him solve the situation.
Nevertheless, in my opinion, it is very sad that the government is throwing King Juan Carlos into such a delicate situation, when all That Juan Carlos did was known to successive governments.
They've closed their eyes for so long and now they're going to get him to their own devices.
Juan Carlos helped restore democracy in Spain and modernize the country. If Spain is what it is today it largely owes it to Juan Carlos.
At least you should have more respect for him.
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What is happening to King Juan Carlos is really very sad.
Juan Carlos is living a big nightmare and he doesn't know how it's going to end.
I firmly believe he's not going to be arrested, obviously. Juan Carlos will have access to the best lawyers and will have many people to help him solve the situation.
Nevertheless, in my opinion, it is very sad that the government is throwing King Juan Carlos into such a delicate situation, when all That Juan Carlos did was known to successive governments.
They've closed their eyes for so long and now they're going to get him to their own devices.
Juan Carlos helped restore democracy in Spain and modernize the country. If Spain is what it is today it largely owes it to Juan Carlos.
At least you should have more respect for him.
He did it to himself. Yes he was a good king in many ways but he is hardly the only person who helped to modernise Spain or turn it into a democracy. And if he made money in a corrupt manner, he tarnished his own reputation.
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Old 07-09-2020, 09:46 AM
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He did it to himself. Yes he was a good king in many ways but he is hardly the only person who helped to modernise Spain or turn it into a democracy. And if he made money in a corrupt manner, he tarnished his own reputation.
Yes obviously King Juan Carlos was not the only person to help turn Spain into a democracy, but he is the symbol of this transformation and was at the forefront of this change.
Juan Carlos was a great king and so deserved more respect from this government.
I just think they could do things differently.
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Old 07-09-2020, 10:03 AM
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Yes obviously King Juan Carlos was not the only person to help turn Spain into a democracy, but he is the symbol of this transformation and was at the forefront of this change.
Juan Carlos was a great king and so deserved more respect from this government.
I just think they could do things differently.
If he has opened himself to accusations of corruption.. he's put himself in the firing line.
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Old 07-09-2020, 03:45 PM
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If he has opened himself to accusations of corruption.. he's put himself in the firing line.



Nonetheless, as I said, I don't see it as an existential threat to the Crown, at least not as long as King Felipe VI is able to distance himself from his father's actions (as he did with respect to his sister and brother-in-law) and as long as Spain's elite continues to support the monarchy, which I think they mostly still do.
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Old 07-09-2020, 05:16 PM
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If he has opened himself to accusations of corruption.. he's put himself in the firing line.
This. It’s great that he was such a champion of democracy. However, if does not give him a free pass for any wrongdoings
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Old 07-10-2020, 06:29 PM
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Article from El Confidential with attached Documentation about Felipe as benifiacry of the Lucum Trust In Panama along with the other members of the RF (in Spanish - needs google translate):

https://www.elconfidencial.com/espan...suiza_2676032/

Similar article from El Espanol (Also in Spanish - again Google Translate if needed) with further documentation:

https://www.elespanol.com/espana/tri...3700999_0.html

English language summary of the two from Reuters With comments from PM Sanchez:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-s...-idUSKBN2492FX

All this documentation states explicitly that Corinna was to be the sole beneficiary of the account and that Felipe and his sisters were excluded from the funds
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Old 07-11-2020, 10:02 PM
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Here’s what i personally think has happened.This money might have Initially been earmarked for Felipe and his sisters but JC i think gave it to Corinna to punish them for siding with Sofia over their long running marital feud. Why else would JC specefilly state they they were not to get any cash? It probably wasn’t to protect them.
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Old 07-13-2020, 10:26 PM
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Transfer of 3.5 mill Euros to bank account in Bahamas under investigation by Swiss processors

https://english.elpais.com/spanish_n...box=1594637548
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https://www.elmundo.es/espana/2020/0...b0f8b45a5.html

Corinna is refusing to give back the money and is accusing JC of wrongly accusing her of theft.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/k...-65m-l60wwqmmp - this one is in English but behind a paywall

https://www.elmundo.es/espana/2020/0...0438b45d6.html

The royal households reply denying Felipes involvement
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...stigation.html

A judge is also investigating if the King's lover Corinna Sayn-Wittgenstein tasked a former police officer - José Manuel Villarejo - with spying on a Spanish citizen. The investigation has been reopened after it was shelved by prosecutors in 2018.
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Thank you for everyone who has provided updates. With a developing story of this complexity the English-language summaries are particularly useful.

In regard to some of the developments I am confused over the timing. For example, one of the articles communicated information which it says was derived from the testimony of Princess Corinna zu Sayn-Wittgenstein in 2018; why was that information from the testimony released to the press only now?
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Breaking: Former King of Spain, Juan Carlos I, announces decision to move abroad into exile.

Source: Reuters

EL PAIS: https://elpais.com/espana/2020-08-03...mpression=true
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Breaking: Former King of Spain, Juan Carlos I, announces decision to move abroad into exile.

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https://elpais.com/espana/2020-08-03...mpression=true
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Breaking: Former King of Spain, Juan Carlos I, announces decision to move abroad into exile.

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https://elpais.com/espana/2020-08-03...mpression=true
Just a little over a year after he retired from public life and has been rarely out of the headlines.
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Old 08-03-2020, 12:34 PM
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Just a little over a year after he retired from public life and has been rarely out of the headlines.
Why is he moving abraod? Is he in danger of a criminal prosecution? or jsut he's leavign Sofia?
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Old 08-03-2020, 12:48 PM
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The statement of the Spanish Royal House:
https://www.casareal.es/sitios/lista...comunicado.pdf

The life of King Juan Carlos in Zarzuela in pictures:
https://www.abc.es/espana/abci-vida-...1_galeria.html

More articles:
https://www.abc.es/espana/casa-real/...5_noticia.html

https://www.abc.es/espana/casa-real/...9_noticia.html

The king's lawyer reports that Juan Carlos I is "at the disposal of the Fiscal Ministry":
https://www.rtve.es/noticias/2020080.../2036900.shtml
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Oh. So that was why we are not getting "family-on-holiday" pucs from Mallorca until next week

I don't think this avoid him to be prosecuted in any way. Ińaki Urdngarin living in Geneva did not persuade him to be called to court and later admitted to jail. It's just another distance meassure from his son and, well... Sort of a confirmation that there is a good deal of truth on the accusations, I guess

Nice times for the Spanish Monarchy.
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