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In the newspaper De Morgen Alain Berenboom - the lawyer of King Albert II - defends the King. While the newspaper claims that many thought this un-dignifying spectacle should have been settled much earlier, the lawyer claims that this was impossible. He claims that even if the King wanted to it was not possible to recognize Delphine because until December her legal father was Jacques BoŽl. The DNA results were released yesterday, after which the King recognized immediately that Delphine is his daughter.
It is true that King Albert had no way to legally recognize Delphine so long as Jacques BoŽl remained her legal father, as the civil law does not allow the recognition of multiple fathers. However, he could do so now (as Jacques has ceased to be Delphine's legal father) by way of a registered act of civil status. Apparently he has decided against doing so, despite his acknowledgement that Delphine is his biological daughter.

https://diplomatie.belgium.be/nl/Die...and/Afstamming

In any case, he could certainly have issued a statement unofficially acknowledging Delphine as his blood daughter at any time.


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[...] but sources claim she will chose "van Saksen-Coburg". "The entire process was a search for identity. There is nothing that gives more identity than a last name".

https://www.demorgen.be/nieuws/konin...burg~b7df8316/
Her lawyer Marc Uyttendaele said the same regarding her choice of surname a couple of years ago. Perhaps they are aware of what the Palace said in 2015. I am inferring from Alain Berenboom's reaffirmation that Delphine will continue to apply for legal recognition.
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Old 01-28-2020, 07:06 AM
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Why bother? Albert has had years to shield his & Paola's kid's inheritance, hide and move money about, etc. My guess is they - or at least their attorneys and accountants - have been preparing for this eventuality for some time.
surely he can leave her some money, he is not so badly off.. and it would be a proper gesture after denying she is his daughter for so long. It has come out now, he has admitted it, so noone's going to be scandalised..and though his wife may nto be happy abuot the public exposure of his having a child, it is public now so for him to mention her in his will isn't going to be any worse than wwhat has already happened.
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In Belgium you can't legally desherit your children, a part of what you leave is blocked for them
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In Belgium you can't legally desherit your children, a part of what you leave is blocked for them
but unitl this admission, she wasn't known or recognised as his child...
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surely he can leave her some money, he is not so badly off.. ... it is public now so for him to mention her in his will isn't going to be any worse than wwhat has already happened.
I agree with you 100%. My only point was the royal couple's attorneys and accountants have likely been busy for years protecting to the best of their abilities whatever estate Albert and Paola have planned for the surviving spouse and their three children.
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but unitl this admission, she wasn't known or recognised as his child...
She is still not legally recognized as his child as the admission was a communiquť to the media and not a legal act registered by the municipality, although as Mbruno said earlier, legal recogntion is almost certainly only a matter of time. What King Albert's lawyers have said is that he will voluntarily adapt his testament to grant her an equal share. http://www.theroyalforums.com/forums...ml#post2288744
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Danneels adds that claims that Jacques BoŽl functioned as a father-figure while Albert did not are "nonsense". "Jacques BoŽl was an absent father while Albert was practically living with Sybille Selys de Longchamps. The three of them even went on vacation together.

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Sad her other father disinherited her.
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What a painful experience to be rejected by your own father for years!!!
It strikes me too that Delphine BoŽl has had the experience of psychological rejection by not only one father, but two. And that as you say, it must have been painful.
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In an article by Yves Delepeleire in De Standaard it is made clear that Delphine tried to get in touch with her father through mediation by other people. She had even approached Cardinal Danneels himself. When all avenues had failed she decided to go to court, knowing that it would end any hope of a reconciliation but fighting for recognition.

A few weeks she went to court in 2013 Albert suggested an arrangement where he would admit in a sealed letter that she is his daughter. The letter could only be opened after Albert's death.

The newspaper concludes that the king had run out of options and had no choice but to announce the news. If the court announced it it would do even more damage to his reputation - which the newspaper claims is already in tatters. And there were rumors of letters between Albert and Sybille Selys de Longchamps that could have been used as well.

In Het Niewsblad Wim Dehandschutter claims that in his Christmas speech in 1999 the King had wanted to go further than he did - he only alluded to marital difficulties in the past- but Paola prevented him from doing so. For her the existence of Delphine was a living memory of the ost painful period of her life.

An article by Koen Baumers writes a background story how it all came about. In 1966 after the birth of Laurent the marriage between Albert and Paola was facing difficulties. There are rumors of affairs and Albert is seen in night clubs in Paris. In the summer of that year he goes alone to Greece where he meets the ambassador, Baron FranÁois de Selys-Longchamps. He is staying longer than the planned week as he tells Sybille that he is in love, something that she was not. The next day he went back to Brussels. In December they meet again, Albert arranges that he is sitting next to Sybille at a dinner party.

In March 1967 the two of them went skiing. The chef de cabinet went along - so the court must have known about it. In februari 1968 Delphine is born. Sybille moves to Uccle, where Albert visits her nearly on a daily basis. When Albert let it be known that he also wants to divorce the Prime Minister Leo Tindemans makes it clear that this would mean that he would lose custody over his three other children. The relationship ends in 1984 when he announces that he will celebrate his silver wedding anniversary with Paola.
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Fascinating Marengo, thank you.

So, if Albert lost custody of his children in 1968 who would have gained custody? Paola was in the middle of her own love affairs, and Baudouin had reportedly sided with his brother and threatened to cut Paola off financially if she didn't straighten up and fly right.

Would Baudouin and Fabiola have taken custody of the youngsters in the event of a divorce?
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Fascinating Marengo, thank you.

So, if Albert lost custody of his children in 1968 who would have gained custody? Paola was in the middle of her own love affairs, and Baudouin had reportedly sided with his brother and threatened to cut Paola off financially if she didn't straighten up and fly right.

Would Baudouin and Fabiola have taken custody of the youngsters in the event of a divorce?
Why would he have lost custody?
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Fascinating Marengo, thank you.

So, if Albert lost custody of his children in 1968 who would have gained custody? Paola was in the middle of her own love affairs, and Baudouin had reportedly sided with his brother and threatened to cut Paola off financially if she didn't straighten up and fly right.

Would Baudouin and Fabiola have taken custody of the youngsters in the event of a divorce?
The idea was that Paola would receive full custody. Even though the King and Queen could not stand her at the time. Paola was expected to stay in the Belvedere too and receive a generous amount of money. Both were told that they would lose their title of Prince de LiŤge. Another condition was that Sybille de Selys-Longchamps would never be allowed -even after she and Albert would have married- to meet the children. Paola's string of affairs never lead to a serious relationship as Albert's did and it was said that she only started to behave the way she did after she discovered Albert's adventures. But the court moved heaven an earth to keep the two together. Friends and even a former lover of Paola were recruited to convince them to make amends.

Baudouin and Fabiola were not functioning at foster-parents at the time. Until the last miscarriage in 1968 it was assumed that they would have children. Of the two parents it was Paola who did most of the parenting by far. Filip, Astrid and Laurent often stayed - separately from each other - with courtiers or friends of parents, such as the De Broquevilles, General Gilbert de MasiŤres (chef of the house of the Princes of LiŤge), Michel Didesheim (to the great displeasure of Paola who blamed him for her husbands infidelities - as Didisheim accompanied Albert on Trade Missions) and Jacques and Mimi Solvay. In their teens they went to boarding schools and sometimes stayed with teachers in the weekends. In the biography by Danneels about Laurent an anonymous teacher of the primary school relates how Prince Filip often did not want to go home after school, 'He would sometimes be hanging onto my legs, begging not to send him back to the royal domain. The sad stories which he told about the family situation in order to convince us were heart breaking'.

It is claimed that all four children were deeply marked by this period that happened at such a young age, the three legitimate children perhaps even more so than Delphine, who at least had a relatively normal and stable upbringing with her mother. Delphine was one overheard by a journalist while commenting about Laurent: 'as a child you should at least have one good parent'.

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I have read some claims in the press what Delphine's siblings intend to do. As we know Laurent and Delphine (and Claire) met Delphine in 2008: https://www.demorgen.be/nieuws/prins...boel~b9d31247/

The general tenure is that Laurent and perhaps even Filip want to establish contact with BoŽl while Princes Astrid is firmly in the camp of her parents and is 'livid' about the situation. I am not sure how much of this is based on deduction or on reality. I suspect the former.

In 2018 the King -accompanied by his wife Mathilde, his eldest daughter and some other people - and Delphine were coincidently seated at adjacent tables at the restaurant Belga Queen near the Place de BrouckŤre in downtown Brussels. According to people in the restaurant they looked at each other in surprise but did not speak with each other.

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In the mean time an invitation to a 'late baby shower' for the 'new daughter' went viral on Facebook. A man named Alessandro De La Vega planned the ficticious event in the royal palace on February 1st. Over 25.000 people have so far responded with interest.

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All editorials of the Belgian newspapers are damning. Het Nieuwsblad said that the King should have opened his arms and welcomed his daughter, instead his statement is as heartless as has been his treatment of her in these last years. De Morgen speaks about Albert's lack of courage and humanity. The GVA speaks about 'a grim tale without a happy ending'. HLN speaks about Alberts stubbornness, ego-centrism and unworldly behavior. Le Soir says that the inhumanity of Albert's argumentation is inappropriate and downright insulting. Sudinfo regrets the many missed opportunities that have now ruined the reputation of a more sponious king who made the monarchy less rigid than it was in the days of his brother. LDH says that if Albert recognized her earlier this whole painful episode could have been evaded. Instead he buried himself inside a lie. The King has made irreparable damage to himself and to the monarchy.
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Poor children.. coudldn't they have kept their affairs away from them? I don't know why Delphine wants Albert to be recognised as her father, after that?
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I suspect that the affairs themselves were kept away but the fights were not, as sadly happens in many other families when the marriage goes sour.
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Poor Delphine even went to Cardinal Danneels to try and make contact with her father it has been a long battle ,Albert himself has 2 grandchildren he may never have met.

The rejection and hurt that Delphine BoŽl has experienced from the Belgian RF.
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The idea was that Paola would receive full custody. Even though the King and Queen could not stand her at the time. Paola was expected to stay in the Belvedere too and receive a generous amount of money. Both were told that they would lose their title of Prince de LiŤge. Another condition was that Sybille de Selys-Longchamps would never be allowed -even after she and Albert would have married- to meet the children. Paola's string of affairs never lead to a serious relationship as Albert's did and it was said that she only started to behave the way she did after she discovered Albert's adventures. But the court moved heaven an earth to keep the two together. Friends and even a former lover of Paola were recruited to convince them to make amends.

Baudouin and Fabiola were not functioning at foster-parents at the time. Until the last miscarriage in 1968 it was assumed that they would have children. Of the two parents it was Paola who did most of the parenting by far. Filip, Astrid and Laurent often stayed - separately from each other - with courtiers or friends of parents, such as the De Broquevilles, General Gilbert de MasiŤres (chef of the house of the Princes of LiŤge), Michel Didesheim (to the great displeasure of Paola who blamed him for her husbands infidelities - as Didisheim accompanied Albert on Trade Missions) and Jacques and Mimi Solvay. In their teens they went to boarding schools and sometimes stayed with teachers in the weekends. In the biography by Danneels about Laurent an anonymous teacher of the primary school relates how Prince Filip often did not want to go home after school, 'He would sometimes be hanging onto my legs, begging not to send him back to the royal domain. The sad stories which he told about the family situation in order to convince us were heart breaking'.

It is claimed that all four children were deeply marked by this period that happened at such a young age, the three legitimate children perhaps even more so than Delphine, who at least had a relatively normal and stable upbringing with her mother. Delphine was one overheard by a journalist while commenting about Laurent: 'as a child you should at least have one good parent'.

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I have read some claims in the press what Delphine's siblings intend to do. As we know Laurent and Delphine (and Claire) met Delphine in 2008: https://www.demorgen.be/nieuws/prins...boel~b9d31247/

The general tenure is that Laurent and perhaps even Filip want to establish contact with BoŽl while Princes Astrid is firmly in the camp of her parents and is 'livid' about the situation. I am not sure how much of this is based on deduction or on reality. I suspect the former.

In 2018 the King -accompanied by his wife Mathilde, his eldest daughter and some other people - and Delphine were coincidently seated at adjacent tables at the restaurant Belga Queen near the Place de BrouckŤre in downtown Brussels. According to people in the restaurant they looked at each other in surprise but did not speak with each other.

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In the mean time an invitation to a 'late baby shower' for the 'new daughter' went viral on Facebook. A man named Alessandro De La Vega planned the ficticious event in the royal palace on February 1st. Over 25.000 people have so far responded with interest.

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All editorials of the Belgian newspapers are damning. Het Nieuwsblad said that the King should have opened his arms and welcomed his daughter, instead his statement is as heartless as has been his treatment of her in these last years. De Morgen speaks about Albert's lack of courage and humanity. The GVA speaks about 'a grim tale without a happy ending'. HLN speaks about Alberts stubbornness, ego-centrism and unworldly behavior. Le Soir says that the inhumanity of Albert's argumentation is inappropriate and downright insulting. Sudinfo regrets the many missed opportunities that have now ruined the reputation of a more sponious king who made the monarchy less rigid than it was in the days of his brother. LDH says that if Albert recognized her earlier this whole painful episode could have been evaded. Instead he buried himself inside a lie. The King has made irreparable damage to himself and to the monarchy.
It is interesting that, for a royal family who is allegedly not very ceremonial, they are nonetheless very rigid about issues like divorce. But, then, I suppose Baudouin and Fabiola considered divorce a mortal sin or something like that.


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Poor Delphine even went to Cardinal Danneels to try and make contact with her father it has been a long battle ,Albert himself has 2 grandchildren he may never have met.

The rejection and hurt that Delphine BoŽl has experienced from the Belgian RF.

Well, I hate to be a contrarian and I am pretty sure I will be accused of conservatism,but the fact that she is the biological daughter of Albert II doesn't imply that she is a member of the Royal Family (i.e. the family of the legitimate descendants of Leopold I in male line up to Albert II and in both paternal and maternal line thereafter).


I don't see why the RF should be under any obligation to embrace Delphine or have a relationship with her and I hope that the King, if it comes to that, will fight any legal attempt to give Delphine a royal title or a place in the line of succession.
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Delphine BoŽl, daughter of King Albert II

Another option is that Delphine changes her last name to her motherís.
She could have applied for that even before it was established that Jacques BoŽl was not her legal father.
Her mom is after all the parent that stuck with her all throughout her life.
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The information about Prince Philippe hanging on to his teacher's leg and pleading not to be sent back to the Royal domain is heart-wrenching. Delphine was right....a child should have at least ONE good parent.

All things considered, it is nothing short of a miracle that the the three children of Albert and Paola were able to create happy and stable home lives.
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It is interesting that, for a royal family who is allegedly not very ceremonial, they are nonetheless very rigid about issues like divorce. But, then, I suppose Baudouin and Fabiola considered divorce a mortal sin or something like that.





Well, I hate to be a contrarian and I am pretty sure I will be accused of conservatism,but the fact that she is the biological daughter of Albert II doesn't imply that she is a member of the Royal Family (i.e. the family of the legitimate descendants of Leopold I in male line up to Albert II and in both paternal and maternal line thereafter).


I don't see why the RF should be under any obligation to embrace Delphine or have a relationship with her and I hope that the King, if it comes to that, will fight any legal attempt to give Delphine a royal title or a place in the line of succession.
there is no question of thtat, but it seems like Albert and Paola were pretty hopeless parents and created a lot of suffering with their extra marital lives. If they wanted to go their separate ways discreetly, why not keep it away from home and not fight in front of their unfortunate children? And Albert could have acknowledged Delphine, and mentioned her in his will... To have treated her as a daughter in private for a time and then to break with her was horrible behavour...
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The information about Prince Philippe hanging on to his teacher's leg and pleading not to be sent back to the Royal domain is heart-wrenching. Delphine was right....a child should have at least ONE good parent.

All things considered, it is nothing short of a miracle that the the three children of Albert and Paola were able to create happy and stable home lives.
It explains a lot on the strained relationships in this unhappy RF.
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there is no question of thtat, but it seems like Albert and Paola were pretty hopeless parents and created a lot of suffering with their extra marital lives. If they wanted to go their separate ways discreetly, why not keep it away from home and not fight in front of their unfortunate children? And Albert could have acknowledged Delphine, and mentioned her in his will... To have treated her as a daughter in private for a time and then to break with her was horrible behavour...
I quite agree...and she was robbed of a chance to grow up having contact with her half siblings. She may not of been part of the RF but she is still family, she could of had a place among them.


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