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10-14-2018, 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by vkrish
The King will be strongly advised to keep quiet and carry on. U r here for business, not on a pontifications tour. For western nations, human rights is only for lecturing. They never let that issue affect their business deals. Of course I know Norway is more vocal on these issues. But still the government of the day wouldn't want to upset the Chinese
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Well ... of course, the enlightened western regimes selectively lecture on human rights. They do everything and anything for the sake of business, i.e. the industrialists/bankers, who bankroll them directly and indirectly. As you might know, China tends to shrug off barbarians' criticism.
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10-14-2018, 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by ROYAL NORWAY
As I wrote in post 15, the King was praised by Amnesty, yesterday, for saying that he would take up human-rights with Chinese authorities.
But when HM was confronted with a UN report, which shows that one million people from the Uighur minority are held in re-education camps, he said: ''Jeg visste ikke om dette før jeg så det i avisen, men jeg tror helt sikkert at det er tilfelle'' ("I didn't know this before I saw it in the newspaper, but I certainly think that's the case").
And this has, of course, led to some questions in the media about why the government didn't briefed the court better on this issue before the state visit started?
Well, Ine Marie Eriksen Søreide (Minister of Foreign Affairs), said this to the press today: ''Jeg tror nok ikke kongen mente det bokstavelig'' (''I don't think the king meant it literally'').
What???? - And her advisers are where?????????? Hmm, perhaps she forgot to take them with her to China??
(And no, I'm not serious, I think. - Or am I, oh, my head!)
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Anyway, here's tomorrow's royal programme, October 15th:
The King opens the Sino-Norwegian Symposium for Social Disciplines. The Queen will also be in attendance (10:30).
The King and Queen attend an outdoor roller ski event in Beijing Olympic Park (12:30).
The King and Queen attend a luncheon hosted by Mr Gou Zhongwen, Minister of Sports (Beijing, 13:30).
The King and Queen host a Sino-Norwegian friendship dinner (The Phoenix Centre, Beijing, 17:45).
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That's a verbal sweeping under the rug, nothing to see here, let's move on - statement, from the Foreign Minister. 
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10-14-2018, 06:15 PM
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One is looking forward to listening to King Harald's lectures on human rights in China.
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''Lectures''? The King will (as he also did during the 1997-visit) simply take it up.
And as I wrote in post 12, I'm pretty sure that he was given a GO by the government, no matter what the Norwegian media says. - Especially since we're now hearing that the Foreign Minister will take it up as well.
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Originally Posted by vkrish
The King will be strongly advised to keep quiet and carry on. U r here for business, not on a pontifications tour. For western nations, human rights is only for lecturing. They never let that issue affect their business deals. Of course I know Norway is more vocal on these issues. But still the government of the day wouldn't want to upset the Chinese
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Well, I refer to my reply (to Al_bina) above - and my previous posts here.
And hopefully, the Chinese government is prepared for what's coming, so I don't think this will lead to a new ''ostracism'' (you can read about the ''previous one'' in the links in post 2).
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That's a verbal sweeping under the rug, nothing to see here, let's move on - statement, from the Foreign Minister. |
The journalists ask her why the government didn't brief the court better - and she comes up with an answer like that? Well, that's the same as asking for criticism.
BTW: The Ministry of Foreign Affairs are now saying that she didn't mean it like that.
OMG, this is just getting better and better! 
Oh my, I have to go to bed here!
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10-14-2018, 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by ROYAL NORWAY
''Lectures''? The King will (as he also did during the 1997-visit) simply take it up.
And as I wrote in post 12, I'm pretty sure that he was given a GO by the government, no matter what the Norwegian media says. - Especially since we're now hearing that the Foreign Minister will take it up as well. ...
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King Harald can criticise China. It would be fair to assume that Norwegian Foreign Minister has received guidelines for whining from the main ally/sovereign.
One should not expect much from barbarians.
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10-14-2018, 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Al_bina
Well ... of course, the enlightened western regimes selectively lecture on human rights. They do everything and anything for the sake of business, i.e. the industrialists/bankers, who bankroll them directly and indirectly. As you might know, China tends to shrug off barbarians' criticism.
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Without the "Barbarians" China would starve. We are their best customers. The United States and Western Europe make up for a great percentage of their sales. And caring how people are treated is not a comedy. King Harald is a really decent person, who would like to see other s treated decently.
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10-15-2018, 02:59 AM
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King Harald can criticise China. It would be fair to assume that Norwegian Foreign Minister has received guidelines for whining from the main ally/sovereign.
One should not expect much from barbarians.
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Al_bina - you are very close to trolling.
We can all have an opinion on western countries pointing out human rights issues and whether it's hypocritical or not, but there is no need to use silly words like barbarians.
By doing that twice you are shooting yourself in the foot.
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10-15-2018, 06:24 AM
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10-15-2018, 06:55 AM
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King Harald during the opening speech of the NUPI-CASS symposium on social science and research in Beijing today:
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10-15-2018, 08:20 AM
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 Thanks iceflower! 
And yes, first, the King (accompanied by the Queen) opened the Sino-Norwegian Symposium for Social Disciplines (10:30):
The King during his speech:
https://scanpix.no/spWebApp/preview/editorial/td454ab4
https://scanpix.no/spWebApp/preview/editorial/td454abb
With Norwegian Foreign Minister, Ine Marie Eriksen Søreide:
https://scanpix.no/spWebApp/preview/editorial/td454aa0
https://scanpix.no/spWebApp/preview/editorial/td454aa8
The Regent-Couple during talks with Xie Fuzhan, President of the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences (CASS):
https://scanpix.no/spWebApp/preview/editorial/td454ab9
Speech given by His Majesty The King at the opening of the Sino-Norwegian Symposium for Social Disciplines in Bejing during Their Majesties' state visit to China 11 - 19 October 2018. - The Royal House of Norway.
The King with environmental warning from Beijing: - This is the future if we're not careful: Kongen med miljøadvarsel fra Beijing: - Dette er framtida om vi ikke er forsiktige - Dagbladet.
The King said this to the media after his speech, not an exact quote from the article:
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''Hvis vi ikke er forsiktige, så er det dette som er framtida,'' sa kongen - med henvisning til den tykke forurensingståka.
''Det er en skala for luftforurensing og i Norge sender vi ut advarsel til dem som har luftveisproblemer når verdiene er over 80 PM2.5. Her er det 220 i dag. Dette gjør at havene blir surere, alt henger sammen med alt,'' sa han.
Spørsmål: Kinesiske barn må være inne i dag, hva tenker kongen om det?
Svar: Det er skremmende.
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"If we're not careful, this is the future," the King said, referring to the pollution-fog.
''There's a scale for air-pollution - and in Norway we send out warning to those who have respiratory-problems, when the values are above 80 PM2.5. Here it's 220 today. This makes the oceans more sourer, everything is connected with everything," he said.
Q: Chinese children must be inside oday, what does the King think about that?
A: It's scary.
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Thanks eya!
And yes, Their Majesties attended an outdoor roller ski event in Beijing Olympic Park (12:30):
Now, China is going to help Norway getting better at table-tennis: Nå skal Kina hjelpe Norge å bli bedre i bordtennis - Dagbladet.
Again, not an exact quote from the article:
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Spørsmål: Tror Kongen at den neste Bjørgen, Klæbo eller Johaug kan bli kinesisk?
Svar: Det tror jeg helt sikkert – på sikt. Det er bare et tidsspørsmål. Jeg har spøkt med kineserne og sagt at de må trene seg opp til å bli nummer to.
Translated to:
Q. Does the King believes that the next Bjørgen, Klæbo or Johaug (Norwegian cross-country skiers) may be Chinese?
A. I think so for sure - in the long run. It's just a time-question. I've been joking with the Chinese - and said they have to train to be number two'' (funny as usual).
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More photos:
https://scanpix.no/spWebApp/preview/editorial/td4557cd
https://scanpix.no/spWebApp/preview/editorial/td4557cf
The King with Birgit Skarstein (Norwegian adaptive rower), isn't he sweet:
https://scanpix.no/spWebApp/preview/editorial/td4561c9
(The google translations are still not working, so use our owns. - And remember to click on the Scanpix photos two times if they're not working.)
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10-15-2018, 11:31 AM
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pictures from the NRF website
Velferd og idrettsglede - kongehuset.no
the King and Queen look good
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10-15-2018, 12:59 PM
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10-15-2018, 04:44 PM
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Tomorrow's programme, October 16th:
The King opens “Norway-China Business Summit 2018: Pioneering sustainable solutions.” The Queen will also be in attendance (10:30).
The King and Queen attend the launch of “Edvard Munch: Complete Paintings” in Chinese (Beijing, 12:40).
We don't have the time:
The King and Queen meet with the Chairman of the National People’s Congress, Mr Li Zhanshu (The Great Hall of the People, Beijing).
The King and Queen are welcomed by the President of China, His Excellency Mr Xi Jinping and First Lady Peng Liyuan (The Great Hall of the People, Beijing).
The King and Queen meet with the President of The People's Republic of China, His Excellency Mr Xi Jinping (The Great Hall of the People, Beijing).
The King and Queen attend a state banquet hosted by His Excellency President Xi Jinping and First Lady Peng Liyuan (The Great Hall of the People, Beijing).
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10-15-2018, 05:03 PM
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We don't have the time... Does that mean items that has been cancelled?
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10-15-2018, 05:40 PM
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10-16-2018, 05:18 AM
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King Harald delivering a speech during the "Norway-China Business Summit 2018: Pioneering sustainable solutions" in Beijing today:
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And King Harald and Queen Sonja during the official welcome ceremony outside the People's Great Hall in Beijing today:
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10-16-2018, 06:51 AM
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Thanks iceflower!
And yes, The King (accompanied by the Queen) opened “The Norway-China Business Summit 2018: Pioneering sustainable solutions” (10:30).
More photos:
https://scanpix.no/spWebApp/preview/editorial/td45f9fe
https://scanpix.no/spWebApp/preview/editorial/td45fa00
https://scanpix.no/spWebApp/preview/editorial/td45fa01
Speech given by His Majesty The King at the opening of "Norway-China Business Summit 2018. Pioneering Sustainable Solutions" i Beijing during Their Majesties' state visit to China 11 - 19 October 2018 - The Royal House of Norway
Well, according to Innovation Norway and its CEO, Anita Krohn Traaseth, there have already been signed 24 business deals today. - Mostly due to the King's role as door-opener, she said.
Which means that this royal visit (as other state visits in the King's reign) has proven itself to be very successful businesswise, just another advantage/benefit of being a constitutional monarchy, you know.
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Afterward, Their Majesties attended the launch of “Edvard Munch: Complete Paintings” in Chinese (12:40):
https://scanpix.no/spWebApp/preview/editorial/td45fa16
https://scanpix.no/spWebApp/preview/editorial/td45fa2a
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And now to the meetings with the authorities (see programme in post 32):
Dagbladet article with two photo-galleries.
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10-16-2018, 02:09 PM
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Well, here are some updates:
Norwegian media has focused on the facts:
1. That President (or ''dictator,'' as we call him here in the West), Xi Jinping, had to help the King up the stairs to ''The Great Hall of the People'' (well, what a name on that Hall).
2. That Xi thanked ''yes'' to the King's (in reality the Norwegian government's) invitation to visit Norway (whenever that may be).
3. That a representative of the Chinese Foreign Ministry angrily stated to Norwegian journalists that: ''Western journalists tend to focus on this topic only'' (referring to the human-rights-questions).
4. That Foreign Minister, Ine Marie Eriksen Søreide, took up human-rights with Chinese authorities.
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No English Royal House article, or photos from the state banquet, yet.
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10-17-2018, 09:29 AM
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King Harald and Queen Sonja boarded the Beijing express train this morning, October 17, and arrived in Shanghai around 4,5 hours later:
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