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Old 12-03-2019, 02:43 PM
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The third auction of PH's collection of masks and jade has taken place and all items were sold.
Most remained in DK, but there were some foreign bidders as well.
The most expensive item, a jade-duck, went for 16.000 DKK.

https://www.billedbladet.dk/kongelig...s-kunstsamling

I think PH would have been pleased that the auction went so well and also that so many items have now found their ways to so many private homes of ordinary Danes. Because the prices were affordable for ordinary people.
That's actually a good way to be remembered by many IMO.
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I think would have been pleased that the auction went so well and also that so many items have now found their ways to so many private homes of ordinary Danes. Because the prices were affordable for ordinary people.
That's actually a good way to be remembered by many IMO.
I think Prince Henrik would have liked the fact that he's now become part of the homes of so many ordinary Danes. Although he got a bad rep during the last few years of his life before that he was popular (populær & folkelig) in both meanings of the word. I'm a member of several Copenhagen groups on Facebook and stories about him popping up in the most unusual places are shared every now and then.
Looking in from across the water it seems that after his dementia became public knowledge, and thereby explained much of his peculiar behaviour during the last few years of his life, the Danes have taken him to their hearts again?
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Old 12-03-2019, 03:51 PM
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I think Prince Henrik would have liked the fact that he's now become part of the homes of so many ordinary Danes. Although he got a bad rep during the last few years of his life before that he was popular (populær & folkelig) in both meanings of the word. I'm a member of several Copenhagen groups on Facebook and stories about him popping up in the most unusual places are shared every now and then.
Am I right in believing that after his dementia became public knowledge, and thereby explained much of his peculiar behaviour during the last few years of his life, the Danes have taken him to their hearts again?
That certainly is my impression.

It was also a paradox, because at one side PH was genuinely popular by a large and growing number, during the last decade of his life in particular. Not least after his frank biography in the book Destiny Oblige, but especially because he was quirky, somewhat eccentric and sometimes also refreshingly old-fashioned. While at the same time being willing to try things that "one" certainly did not do! Like visiting the hippie-commune (and hashish-central) of Christiania without security.
He had his faults, but he was never a snob. And he had the enviable ability to be able to talk to anyone anytime.
On the other hand he had views and obsessions that went totally contrary to the average Danish mindset. I.e. his status, title and position within the family. Things that are pretty alien to the mindset of most Danes. And the way he as such embarrassed QMII, who after all is tremendously respected, also before he could have developed dementia, infuriated many - and also embarrassed the tribe as a whole so to speak.

Perhaps you could loosely share some of the anecdotes you have learned?
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Old 06-07-2020, 05:04 PM
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19 bronze figures made by PH will be put up for auction.

Some of them are quite interesting, but I don't think it suits our current budget.

https://jyllands-posten.dk/kultur/EC...an-blive-dine/

The auction will take place on 17th June at the Bruun Rasmussen auction house.

The figures stems from a private collecetion but have been acquired directly from PH.
- So to me that suggests a very close and dear friend of PH is putting them up for sale. A guess off the hip says Kristian Kjær. He has fallen from grace since an unfortunate incident ramming an official during a bicycle race. He got a suspended prison sentence for that. Leading him to be stripped of his court titles - and as such shunned by those close to the DRF.
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Old 06-07-2020, 05:30 PM
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Very interesting post. Sculptures are quite good and interesting also.
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Old 06-21-2020, 04:11 AM
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It has now emerged who is selling the sculptures that are up for auction.

https://realityportalen.dk/rcarticle...med-millioner/

It is indeed a trusted person, but not Kristian Kjær as my guess was, instead it's PH's valet through 25 years, Jesper Grønvald Jensen.
(He is seen in the photo in the article.)

Because a number of the sculptures have inscriptions like:
"Pour Jesper 20/5. Le Patron."

The sculptures are each valued at between 30.000-350.000 DKK. Combined the value is estimated at 1.6-1.9 million DKK.

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- It's not a huge sum, but for a retiring state civil servant it is nevertheless a very good contribution to the pension.

The article baffles me a little though. It says that Jesper Grønvald Jensen lives in his apartment (that is part of his job, enabling him to be able to attend 24/7 if need be) at Christian VII's mansion. That's the representation mansion.
It's a testament to PH's fondness of his valet (and QMII) that he has been allowed to keep his apartment in such a prominent location.
Normally members of the court, retired as well as serving, can apply for an apartment in one of the apartment buildings surrounding Amalienborg at a very favorable rent. (Certainly orders of magnitudes less that what such an apartment would cost on the free market.) Nikolai for a brief period lived in such an apartment.
The salary for court employees is not high, but they have many perks and a very good pension.
Normally it is considered very bad form to sell personal gifts presented by members of the DRF. But I guess PH perhaps in his testament made it clear that the sculptures could be sold for retirement, and/or QMII gave her ok for the same reason.
Because, after this period I think it's time for the valet to move out of his apartment at Amalienborg - and that means finding a place to live and pay a rent.
The auction house, Bruun Rasmussen, is also very close to the DRF. The owner is a personal friend of QMII. I don't think they would be eager to sell items by the DRF, if the sale had not been approved by the DRF. Not for such a modest sum.

The valet, Jesper Grønvald Jensen, politely declines to comment.

But he gave an interview to a newspaper, a couple of years ago, saying among other things about PH:
"The Prince Consort is so funny to be around. All who meet him falls for him. And I know no one else with so much empathy. He is extremely environmentally conscious and he has an open mind for all cultures.
He meets people on their level, while he at the same time take care to uphold formalities. Everything must be in order."

Jesper Grønvald Jensen must have been around PH during the last dreadful months.
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Old 06-21-2020, 08:02 AM
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It certainly sounds as if it was "approved of" no matter how discreetly by the RF, possibly it was a direct wish of Henrik in which case HM and the RF would likely not feel to go against it even if they wanted to.
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Old 07-01-2020, 07:13 PM
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There is a rose named after Prince Henrik growing at Marselisborg:

Rose “Prince Henrik” – Noblesse & Royautés
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Old 12-13-2020, 01:40 PM
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This BT article is about a TV program that is a must see. And it is to be aired on DR on 3th January. Which means most here will be able to see it.

https://www.bt.dk/royale/prins-henri...ulle-til-kaffe

It's the respected foreign correspondent, Stéphanie Surrugue, who wrote one of the best biographies of PH that has been made. Without being personal friends, she got very close to PH. In the same way as Billed Bladets Trine Larsen got very close and personal to him.
There are going to be a number of bits from the recording she made with PH as a part of the interview.

Stéphanie Surrugue praises PH to high heaven, while at the same time managing to provide a pretty frank view of him and I personally think PH appreciated that.
I shall look forward to watching it.

Apart from that there are some good photos in the article-
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Old 12-13-2020, 06:18 PM
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This BT article is about a TV program that is a must see. And it is to be aired on DR on 3th January. Which means most here will be able to see it.

https://www.bt.dk/royale/prins-henri...ulle-til-kaffe

It's the respected foreign correspondent, Stéphanie Surrugue, who wrote one of the best biographies of PH that has been made. Without being personal friends, she got very close to PH. In the same way as Billed Bladets Trine Larsen got very close and personal to him.
There are going to be a number of bits from the recording she made with PH as a part of the interview.

Stéphanie Surrugue praises PH to high heaven, while at the same time managing to provide a pretty frank view of him and I personally think PH appreciated that.
I shall look forward to watching it.

Apart from that there are some good photos in the article-
Another thing to look forward to at the end of 2020!
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Old 01-03-2021, 03:57 PM
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It sure is!

For those interested in PH, this is a must see.

The documentary is being shown now and it's very unusual.
No one are talking about PH, no one are being interviewed.
It is all one long row of archive material showing PH and hearing what he has to say about his life, his role, his marriage, his position, raising children, how he felt he was treated by the press, by the court apparatus and by the public.
Sometimes with recordings that was the basis for the portrait book by Stephanie Surruque.

That makes it not only unusual but we hear him speak, we hear his state of mind and most of time we also see him while he says things that were often very controversial.

People who speak French are very much at an advantage when watching this docu, because a lot of it is in French, sometimes also English.

You need to put on a filter, because as we only hear PH's point of view the docu will inevitably be biased in his favor.

It is a docu you can watch several times and find new angles and reach new conclusions. You can re-watch the same scenes, and think differently about what happened.

It is a very frank docu!
We see and hear many of the controversial statements PH came up with and we also hear PH express his frustrations, his hurt feelings and his anger even disappointment.

I have very mixed feelings watching it so far.
Sometimes I feel sorry for PH and understand him.
And sometimes I think he's too bloody thin-skinned!
Pretty much the way I though when he was alive: Sometimes I thought he was magnificent! At other times I wanted to hit him on the head with a shovel!

He was a very proud man. A very conservative man in regards to his role as the patriarch of the family and in so many ways out of touch with the Danish mentality in that respect.
His wish to have the title of king comes up. And there is a paradox.
On one hand he complains that a segment of the Danes don't appreciate him (true) and on the other hand, he asks: What it does it matter to them that I am King-consort? - That's why!
Titles matters little in Danish mentality. It's who and what you are that matters, not what you are called. PH never understood that.

PH was very much a man, who was a trailblazer.
He came to a very provincial country and a people that was even more tribal than today.
He was the first every male consort to a reigning queen in Danish history. QMII is after all the first reigning queen ever.
There was no role prepared for him. Alexandra, Mary and our Marie had a much easier time in that respect. Also because the DRF learned from the mistakes that were made in regards to PH.

It is a delight to see QMII head over heels in love! And we see a lot of that.
We also see her being pretty miffed, during a photo session! Fuming actually!

- Anyway, at some point we will all be able to watch this online, and when we do I will write a short guide, so you can follow what happens reasonably well.
There is nothing new as such, the difference is that now we hear and see PH saying what he feels deep down.
I will look very much forward to your comments and especially in regards to what he said in French, there are no doubt nuances that I will miss.
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Old 01-03-2021, 04:10 PM
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- Anyway, at some point we will all be able to watch this online, and when we do I will write a short guide, so you can follow what happens reasonably well.
Do you mean this one or?

https://www.dr.dk/drtv/program/dronningens-mand_222526
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Never seen any evidence that the Prince Consort was treated with disrespect except in his own later opinion . Any footage I have seen shows him as being treated with the greatest respect . Especially in regards to the behaviour of HM Queen Margrethe
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Yes, that's the one.

Enjoy.

I won't be writing a guide tonight. My vacation is over... at least for now.
And it's bedtime soon.
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She had a difficult role to fulfill as did HM Queen Elizabeth maintaining
the role of wife and monarch in a society which still held to patriachal mores
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It is a docu you can watch several times and find new angles and reach new conclusions. You can re-watch the same scenes, and think differently about what happened.

It is a very frank docu!
We see and hear many of the controversial statements PH came up with and we also hear PH express his frustrations, his hurt feelings and his anger even disappointment.

I have very mixed feelings watching it so far.
Sometimes I feel sorry for PH and understand him.
And sometimes I think he's too bloody thin-skinned!
Pretty much the way I though when he was alive: Sometimes I thought he was magnificent! At other times I wanted to hit him on the head with a shovel!

He was a very proud man. A very conservative man in regards to his role as the patriarch of the family and in so many ways out of touch with the Danish mentality in that respect.
His wish to have the title of king comes up. And there is a paradox.
On one hand he complains that a segment of the Danes don't appreciate him (true) and on the other hand, he asks: What it does it matter to them that I am King-consort? - That's why!
Titles matters little in Danish mentality. It's who and what you are that matters, not what you are called. PH never understood that.

PH was very much a man, who was a trailblazer.
He came to a very provincial country and a people that was even more tribal than today.
He was the first every male consort to a reigning queen in Danish history. QMII is after all the first reigning queen ever.
There was no role prepared for him. Alexandra, Mary and our Marie had a much easier time in that respect. Also because the DRF learned from the mistakes that were made in regards to PH.

It is a delight to see QMII head over heels in love! And we see a lot of that.
We also see her being pretty miffed, during a photo session! Fuming actually!

- Anyway, at some point we will all be able to watch this online, and when we do I will write a short guide, so you can follow what happens reasonably well.
There is nothing new as such, the difference is that now we hear and see PH saying what he feels deep down.
I will look very much forward to your comments and especially in regards to what he said in French, there are no doubt nuances that I will miss.

I look forward to it! Irrespective of whether one is an admirer, detractor, or both, I don't believe it can be fairly questioned that the Prince was an intensely complicated, thought-provoking person who was one-of-a-kind.


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Never seen any evidence that the Prince Consort was treated with disrespect except in his own later opinion . Any footage I have seen shows him as being treated with the greatest respect . Especially in regards to the behaviour of HM Queen Margrethe

I have not had the chance to read his biographies, but my impression is that there is somewhat of a consensus among Danish royal watchers that he was widely panned for his perceived failure to assimilate into the Danish culture and language, and that he was rumored not to have an easy relationship with Queen Ingrid, who was in command of the royal house behind the scenes.

I agree with you that this is not the same as disrespect, but in fairness to him Prince Henrik is not the first or last royal consort who felt mistreated because it became clear that they were incompatible in some regard with the country and/or family into which they married. I suppose what made his case out of the ordinary was not his treatment or his feelings, but his public expression of his feelings, as most of the many royal consorts who have felt mistreated did not frankly express their frustration in numerous interviews, leave the country, miss official events, make an abrupt announcement about their retirement, etc. - and to be fair, some of this occurred near the end of his in life when he was most likely suffering from dementia.


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On one hand he complains that a segment of the Danes don't appreciate him (true) and on the other hand, he asks: What it does it matter to them that I am King-consort? - That's why!
Titles matters little in Danish mentality. It's who and what you are that matters, not what you are called. PH never understood that.
Well, it mattered enough for the Danes to deny him the title. But that is probably a discussion more appropriate for another thread.
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[...] Well, it mattered enough for the Danes to deny him the title. But that is probably a discussion more appropriate for another thread.
The Danes didn't deny Prince Henrik the title of king. His wife The Queen did. If she had put feelers out she might have been told by constitutional experts and the government that it wasn't a wise decision to change her husband's title but in the end it would have been down to her. Berlingske tidende wrote in 2009 that there was a majority in the parliament for a title change but that the Venstre & DF parties were against it.
One thing we shouldn't forget is that Prince Henrik was very popular during the latter years of his life. His larger than life personality struck a cord with many Danes. This, to me, makes his fall from grace because of his illness very sad.
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I have not had the chance to read his biographies, but my impression is that there is somewhat of a consensus among Danish royal watchers that he was widely panned for his perceived failure to assimilate into the Danish culture and language, and that he was rumored not to have an easy relationship with Queen Ingrid, who was in command of the royal house behind the scenes.

Well, it mattered enough for the Danes to deny him the title. But that is probably a discussion more appropriate for another thread.
Well, Queen Ingrid was the matron of the family and for a man brought up like PH, her word is law.
There were persistent rumors that Queen Ingrid corrected him in regards to proper royal protocol.

As for his title. It was very simple: He had the second highest position in the country, regardless of title. So it was very difficult to understand what the point was.
And complaining about it and complaining about his position in the family did not help his cause! There was a very clear majority in the public against giving him a title containing the word king. King has a particular meaning in a monarchy. And it was felt he didn't deserve it. Especially not because he was whining about it.

As for the political majority: Yes, in as far as it is up to the monarch to bestow titles. But, and this is a very important but! The politicians from the two parties that expressed opposition against PH being giving such a title, were not just anyone. They represented the government's leading party and the party that de facto led the government at the time.
In other words it was as close to an official political no, as it could get without being voted down in the Parliament.
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Well, Queen Ingrid was the matron of the family and for a man brought up like PH, her word is law.
There were persistent rumors that Queen Ingrid corrected him in regards to proper royal protocol.

As for his title. It was very simple: He had the second highest position in the country, regardless of title. So it was very difficult to understand what the point was.
And complaining about it and complaining about his position in the family did not help his cause! There was a very clear majority in the public against giving him a title containing the word king. King has a particular meaning in a monarchy. And it was felt he didn't deserve it. Especially not because he was whining about it.

As for the political majority: Yes, in as far as it is up to the monarch to bestow titles. But, and this is a very important but! The politicians from the two parties that expressed opposition against PH being giving such a title, were not just anyone. They represented the government's leading party and the party that de facto led the government at the time.
In other words it was as close to an official political no, as it could get without being voted down in the Parliament.
I thought the late Prince Hendrik was demoted to Number Three, after his eldest son?
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I thought the late Prince Hendrik was demoted to Number Three, after his eldest son?
He was never demoted.

In a constitutional context, the crown prince automatically takes over if the monarch is incapacitated or absent.
If the crown prince is a minor, absent or incapacitated as well a Rigsforstander takes over.
The law is very clear on that.
PH was never a Rigsforstander. He never had a constitutional role.

PH may have been the head of the family, but in a constitutional context that is irrelevant.

PH never understood that.
PH felt demoted. But PH could not be demoted from a position he never had,

I often think PH saw himself as a second Bernadotte who was to take over as king of Denmark.
That wasn't necessary as there were many more in the Line of Succession and the public would never have accepted it.

And I believe that was the main reason for PH never being appointed Rigsforstander. Something both Queen Ingrid and Mary have been.
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