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Old 02-17-2018, 09:03 AM
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She was the apple of his eye! How she must miss her dear grandpa!

Photos of Bella and her Granpa:

http://tinypic.com/r/pbwig/9

http://tinypic.com/r/wbujc9/9

http://tinypic.com/r/fb94wx/9

http://tinypic.com/r/1zqed6g/9
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Old 02-17-2018, 11:26 AM
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Just out of curiosity, does anyone know who will inherit Prince Henrik's estate in France ? I am not familiar with French inheritance laws, but is the estate divided equally between the widow and the children of the deceased ?
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Old 02-17-2018, 11:30 AM
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Just out of curiosity, does anyone know who will inherit Prince Henrik's estate in France ? I am not familiar with French inheritance laws, but is the estate divided equally between the widow and the children of the deceased ?
Good question, Mbruno. Perhaps Muhler knows more about this? I recall reading something a long time ago that the estate in France would be left to Frederik.

However, I could very well be remembering incorrectly.
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Old 02-17-2018, 11:35 AM
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At the funerals of King Frederik IX and Queen Ingrid, the women of the Danish royal family covered their heads with a veil , see links below. Will they do it also at Prince Henrik's funeral, or has the Danish tradition changed over the past decades ?




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Old 02-17-2018, 11:41 AM
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Here is the wreath from the grandchildren: https://www.billedbladet.dk/kongelig...l-prins-henrik
To Grand Papa.

The wreath in front of the casket is from Daisy.
Then two also in front of the casket but behind the one from QMII, they are from M&F and J&M.
On each side of the casket are wreaths from Queen Anne Marie and the Greek royals, as well as from Benedikte and the Berleburgs.

https://bt.bmcdn.dk/media/cache/reso.../20080504-.jpg
https://bt.bmcdn.dk/media/cache/reso.../20080505-.jpg

TV2 reported that prior to the opening of Christiansborg Palace Church, a queue of people wishing to pay their respect was half a kilometer long.

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I understand that it is Frederik who is eventually to inherit Chateau de Cayx - presumably with the clause that is for the general use of the DRF.
Looking far into the future I could imagine especially Athena or Henrik marrying and settling in France and live at the chateau as stewards.
M&F's affiliation to France isn't as strong as J&M, IMO.
M&F will partly be busy in the years to come no matter what and if they were to have a home abroad, Australia would seem more likely.
So I think the chateau will be used more frequently by J&M and their children. It would IMO also be more sensible to let Joachim have the overall management of the chateau. Despite Schackenborg he does have both the experience and the education in running an estate - even at a distance. Not to mention better time.


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That, Mbruno, is a question for FasterB.

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Are any of our local Danes going to pay their respect to PH at Christiansborg?
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Old 02-17-2018, 11:53 AM
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Oh how touching. Tears just seeing that love again.
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Old 02-17-2018, 12:05 PM
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is the estate divided equally between the widow and the children of the deceased ?
Under the 'Code Napoleon', the deceased's property is indeed divided [in equal measure] between his/her immediate family ,and if none can be found, amongst more distant relatives [again equally].
In this instance there should be no problem, but sometimes VAST trouble is created by this, rippling down the generations [in some cases].
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Old 02-17-2018, 12:37 PM
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At the funerals of King Frederik IX and Queen Ingrid, the women of the Danish royal family covered their heads with a veil , see links below. Will they do it also at Prince Henrik's funeral, or has the Danish tradition changed over the past decades ?




But at Queen Ingrid's funeal it where only her thre daughters who used a Veil. then Princess Alexandra did not use one. The fuenral of King Frederike was more formal as the ladies also wore their Order sashes which they did not at Queen ingrid's funeral.
Why the did the for a short moment put the coffin of King Frederik down before they changed their direction to go to the Glücksborg Chapel?
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Old 02-17-2018, 12:50 PM
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From today HRH Prince Henrik's castrum doloris in Christiansborg Castle Church was opened to the public.The Danish people can walk by the bier, give flowers and show their last respect to the Prince.

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Old 02-17-2018, 12:59 PM
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Are any of our local Danes going to pay their respect to PH at Christiansborg?
I'm planning to go – especially since I'm held up all Tuesday so I won't get to see the funeral – but avoided today as I figured it would be absolutely stacked which seems to have been a good idea.
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Old 02-17-2018, 01:01 PM
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Daily Mail: Royals and ordinary Danes bid farewell to Prince Henrik | Daily Mail Online

I hope you will tell us about the atmosphere and what else you noticed, Archduchess Zelia.
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Old 02-17-2018, 01:09 PM
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What lovely pictures of Isabella and her Grandpa. All of the grandchildren are special, of course, but Isabella was the first girl after three grandsons, so I imagine she was doted upon a little more.

Speaking of the grandchildren, they were so well behaved and looked so nice - Christian and Vincent in their topcoats especially. It was touching to see how the older ones helped to look after the younger ones. Nikolai holding Athena's hand!

I wonder if any of the Rosenborgs will be invited to the funeral, especially Princess Elisabeth, since she attended the New Year's gala.
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Old 02-17-2018, 01:10 PM
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Apparantly (according to Daily Mail), Henrik was Queen Consort until he resigned the title in 2016!!! No wonder he was outspoken about his dissatisfaction with his title.
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Old 02-17-2018, 01:39 PM
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Why is it called Castrum Doloris? Usually one would day: "The Prince is laid in State in a chapelle ardente at Christiansborg". I have never heard the term "Castrum Doloris" before.
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Old 02-17-2018, 01:50 PM
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Why is it called Castrum Doloris? Usually one would day: "The Prince is laid in State in a chapelle ardente at Christiansborg". I have never heard the term "Castrum Doloris" before.
Castrum Doloris is latin. Castle of grief is the english translation (for some reason we translate it to "bed of pain" or something similar in Danish.

Castrum Doloris is different from Lit de Parade, where there is an open casket. Here the casket is closed.
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Old 02-17-2018, 01:59 PM
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Why is it called Castrum Doloris? Usually one would day: "The Prince is laid in State in a chapelle ardente at Christiansborg". I have never heard the term "Castrum Doloris" before.
From Wikipedia:

Castrum doloris (Latin for castle of grief) is a name for the structure and decorations sheltering or accompanying the catafalque or bier that signify the prestige or high estate of the deceased. A castrum doloris might feature an elaborate baldachin and would include candles, possibly flowers, and in most cases coats of arms, epitaphs and possibly allegorical statues. Many extensive castra doloris can be traced to the customs of 17th century and 18th century or even earlier, since Pope Sixtus V's funeral arrangements included a castrum doloris in the late 16th Century.


In the case of PH's Castrum Doloris, "He lies on a platform made of tree from three of the places the Prince has loved the most: Fredensborg Castle gardens, Graasteen Castle gardens and his French haven Chateau de Cayx. " (from Belga Image)
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Old 02-17-2018, 02:06 PM
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Why is it called Castrum Doloris? Usually one would day: "The Prince is laid in State in a chapelle ardente at Christiansborg". I have never heard the term "Castrum Doloris" before.
Castrum doloris refers to where he is laid, not to the fact he is laying in state. One could say he is laying in state in his castrum doloris. It refers to the structure and décor surrounding the funeral bier.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castrum_doloris

They had such a wonderful relationship. You can see in photos that she was attached to him as much as he doted on her. I am sure she is missing him very much right now.

Being the first granddaughter, with 3 boys ahead, is a special place
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Old 02-17-2018, 02:07 PM
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It is stated that the court forbids any and all photography at the Castrum Doloris.

How would they actually enforce it? This day and age, anyone with a phone can whip it our for a quick selfie. Of course it requires an extraordinary lack of respect and proper upbringing - but those types are thirteen on the dozen.

Would they physically stop you (and cause a scene) or just let it go if it happened?
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Old 02-17-2018, 02:15 PM
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Thanks, now I understand is. The Prince is laid in state, in a chapelle ardente, where a castrum doloris is constructed. It is beautifully done. Not too heavy but with eye for esthetics.
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Old 02-17-2018, 02:19 PM
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It is stated that the court forbids any and all photography at the Castrum Doloris.

How would they actually enforce it? This day and age, anyone with a phone can whip it our for a quick selfie. Of course it requires an extraordinary lack of respect and proper upbringing - but those types are thirteen on the dozen.

Would they physically stop you (and cause a scene) or just let it go if it happened?
Maybe someone would approach you and remind you kindly NOT to take pictures, but I'm sure that the level of civilization and politeness in Denmark is such that not many would try to be that disrespectful. In other countries...well, it's another matter. When Pope John Paul II lied in St. Peter, it was absolutely despicable to see how many people just walked by making video, taking selfies...I feel that smartphones (and no, I do not own one and I survive) have brought a level of rudeness which is appalling. Don't get me started...! Yesterday, I was watching old footage of F&M's wedding and after a while I noticed, looking at the crowd that...there were no smartphones! No selfies! People were actually LOOKING! And maybe taking a couple of pictures, yes, but actually living the event! Sorry...I'm getting OT. I just hope PH's is given the respect he is due. I'm glad the RF has forbidden pictures. Good for them. Not that they would care, but they have my entire support.

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Thanks, now I understand is. The Prince is laid in state, in a chapelle ardente, where a castrum doloris is constructed. It is beautifully done. Not too heavy but with eye for esthetics.
I agree, elegantly done.
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