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The President of France should attend alone the State Visit to Marocco!
A Mistress is not the first Lady of France
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04-05-2013, 06:48 AM
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The President of France should attend alone the State Visit to Marocco!
A Mistress is not the first Lady of France
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I agree with you, her presence was awkward !
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04-05-2013, 09:28 AM
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The President of France should attend alone the State Visit to Marocco!
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How is it done at incoming State Visits in France?. Here in Germany Mrs. Schadt, the partner of President Joachim Gauck has acted as First Lady at incoming State Visits. And that despite the fact that he is still married to another wife. Altough they are separated since 20 years.
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04-05-2013, 11:19 AM
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The President of France should attend alone the State Visit to Marocco!
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How crass. She's not a mistress she's a civil partner and she has every right to be here. Scandalous comment.
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How is it done at incoming State Visits in France?
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Mrs Valérie Trierweiler has the position of First Lady. As such she's the official hostess and acted like this during the two last incoming state visits (Italy and Brazil). She was received as First Lady of France in USA, India, Algeria and now Morocco.
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04-05-2013, 11:33 AM
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Really, I dont understand the position of Valérie...She is not the wife of President Hollande !!!!! WHat about protocol??????
President Sarkozy got married Carla Bruni. Before their marriage, they neve went together to an official visit.
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04-05-2013, 12:42 PM
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Stunning Nico gave his/her answer....
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04-05-2013, 04:35 PM
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How crass. She's not a mistress she's a civil partner and she has every right to be here. Scandalous comment.
Mrs Valérie Trierweiler has the position of First Lady. As such she's the official hostess and acted like this during the two last incoming state visits (Italy and Brazil). She was received asFirst Lady of France in USA, India, Algeria and now Morocco.
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What do you expect the countries to do? They are just polite. The French government and President Hollande manoeuvre their colleagues from various countries into an awkward position. The countries in question try to smooth out the situation the best way they can.
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04-05-2013, 04:49 PM
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What do you expect the countries to do? They are just polite.
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Well that's my point. Other countries are eager to please their host by including the partner of the Head of State in the protocol. Everyone seems ok with it... so why searching something inadequate in this situation ? (with such strong terms with that).
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It's not awkward, it's not disrespectful. It's the modern life. Mrs Trierweiler is not a girlfriend, she has been the civil partner of Mr Hollande for several years. As pointed out the situation in Germany is quite the same. It's somewhat refreshing to see the protocol updated like this...
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04-05-2013, 05:06 PM
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I wonder whether or not the Windsors will amend the protocol. I guess we shall see. Europeans care very little about the normal politeness. Putting people into an awkward situation is utter mauvais ton to me.
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04-05-2013, 05:17 PM
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Europeans care very little about the normal politeness. Putting people into an awkward situation is utter mauvais ton to me.
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I'm sorry to say that as often Al_bina you're so patronizing...
Anyway the protocol is an institution, as such it needs some evolution to survive. Years ago several protocols, including the french one, excluded the divorcees. Thankfully it's not the case anymore. So why not include life partners ? And why not, in the future, same sex life partners ? It's an interesting debate.
As fot the Windsors, it's the turn to the French to be the hosts... so if we have a state visit from HM to France in the near future, you'll see Mrs Trierweiler as hostess at the Elysee Palace.
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Either marry her or keep her out of your public life I say. She's viewed as 'the mistress' which is an awful thing to have hung over your head.
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04-05-2013, 05:25 PM
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Either marry her or keep her out of your public life I say. She's viewed as 'the mistress' which is an awful thing to have hung over your head.
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Dont't live in the middle ages thank God! 
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04-05-2013, 05:27 PM
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The fact that Ms. Trierweiler, an OFFICIAL partner, is seen as a mistress by some, leaves my speechless. It isn´t a question of umpoliteness. It isn´t like if the French President is making State Visits with a different woman each time.
She´s his partner, for God shake. Why some f***** papers mean so much for people? Nobody should be forced to get married to please others.
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So, if protocol it is not important, if marriage is not important....Now a president or a a king can go on official visits with an official partner....This is the end of protocol and social rules.
Of course nobody should be forced to get married.... But MARRIAGE IS IMPORTANT !!!! ....AND SOCIAL RULES ARE IMPORTANT TOO !!!!!!
If they dont want to get married, for me it is perfect... but in that case, President Hollande should travel alone.
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Beside the protocol thing, I think the elegance and politeness is in respect of other's culture and religion without causing them embarassement. Your rules are not their rules. When you visit a Muslim country, you don't go accompanied by your girlfriend or partner if you are not married. I wonder how it would be if you see the Gulf Royals making official visits to weastern countries accompanied by their four wives???
More pictures from this visit here in Lalla Salma's page in FB:
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Blog-...421465?fref=ts
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