A wife for Moulay Rachid and her role in Morocco - Page 9

loubna2 · #**161** 08-13-2009, 05:58 AM

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about place requirements for me that mean that the palace can't accept for example a girl who has another way to see things that the palace, about politic for example if she is a defencer of the freedom of speech or a defencor of berber identity

shrifia · #**162** 08-13-2009, 07:11 AM

defence of freedom of speech or the berber identity is not a crime in Morocco,situation for these two issues is much better in Morocco than for other contries(words of specialists not mine).
as for Palce requiments i don't think is a big deal,if Moulay rachid really full in love with someone,i don't think they will face much problems and don't forget Moulay rachid has a very very good relationship with his brother the king that will help alot he won't find any problem here.

lillas · #**163** 08-13-2009, 10:41 AM

Palace Requirements in my point of view can only be their father's (may God rest his soul). But then again we outsiders can keep guessing as much as we want, the only key to this mystery is Prince Moulay Rachid's decision. It is after all a very private matter and there are limits to our questioning.
If I were to put myself in this position, I wouldn't like people to be waiting for me to take such a decision there are so many eyes waiting, the event just keeps getting more and more complicated.
Hope you are all having a great summer!!!

isis · #**164** 12-15-2009, 05:55 AM

Even if Moulay Rachid was married, I have a doubt that his wife would have attended the dinner for Belgium heirs or the lunch for Spanish heirs instead of Lalla Asma, because she will have a lower rank than theses princesses
Does someone know what the Moroccan protocol say about that? Can a highness (I think that it will be her title) welcome a royal highness?

loubna2 · #**165** 12-15-2009, 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by isis

Even if Moulay Rachid was married, I have a doubt that his wife would have attended the dinner for Belgium heirs or the lunch for Spanish heirs instead of Lalla Asma, because she will have a lower rank than theses princesses
Does someone know what the Moroccan protocol say about that? Can a highness (I think that it will be her title) welcome a royal highness?

I don't know what say the protocole, but I think that there is no problem, lalla salma is royal princess and she welomed many queens paola, sofia, rania

Princess Robijn · #**166** 12-15-2009, 01:55 PM

That could also be due to her status as wife of the Monarch.

Josette

liliana · #**167** 12-16-2009, 02:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Princess Robijn

That could also be due to her status as wife of the Monarch.

Josette

yes, I think it because of this; About the future princess, she will has a lower rank than her sisters-in-law, then I think that the most indicatd to welcome foreign royal princesses would be the king's sisters and not the future princess

dazzling · #**168** 12-16-2009, 02:57 AM

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Originally Posted by isis

Even if Moulay Rachid was married, I have a doubt that his wife would have attended the dinner for Belgium heirs or the lunch for Spanish heirs instead of Lalla Asma, because she will have a lower rank than theses princesses
Does someone know what the Moroccan protocol say about that? Can a highness (I think that it will be her title) welcome a royal highness?

If she had a lower rank that doesnt mean she cant attened, she can attened since she is attending with her husband. Lalla Asma would be there so will the wife even if Lalla Asma didnt attened there will be no problem if she attended.
IMO protocol in the Arab countries arent as strict as in the European houses, they are quite flexable.
For example in the UAE, Lalla Hasna was once visiting and a dinner was held by Crown Princess sister for her instead of the crown prince wife or the FM wife who are all from the ruiling family too.

lillas · #**169** 12-16-2009, 04:56 AM

Girls aren't you a bit harsh on this "ghost princess for now"(I find it really weird to be talking about an imaginary person), and already trying to give her bottom ranks....?
I see no problem for the future princess in attending her husband's activities, especially when the guests are coming with their significant other. Where would be the fun for His Highness if he gets married and doesn't share these moments with his bride, all the other princely couples do! They all seem to be having fun with all their receptions, social activities,...I think His Highness's future bride's presence would definitely be a plus to his well being...sure! May God give him his long awaited Princess in the nearest future.

loubna2 · #**170** 12-16-2009, 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by liliana

yes, I think it because of this; About the future princess, she will has a lower rank than her sisters-in-law, then I think that the most indicatd to welcome foreign royal princesses would be the king's sisters and not the future princess

it seems that lalla meryem, hasna and amsa want to have a more discreet public role, then I think that the future princess will play a role of second lady of the kingdom, less visible than salma, but she will be in the front when for example foreign royal princesses will come, and prrobably she will have her interstes center as lalla lamia has with blinds;of course, all that if this lady want to have a public life.

soraya · #**171** 12-16-2009, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by lillas

Girls aren't you a bit harsh on this "ghost princess for now"(I find it really weird to be talking about an imaginary person), and already trying to give her bottom ranks....?
I see no problem for the future princess in attending her husband's activities, especially when the guests are coming with their significant other. Where would be the fun for His Highness if he gets married and doesn't share these moments with his bride, all the other princely couples do! They all seem to be having fun with all their receptions, social activities,...I think His Highness's future bride's presence would definitely be a plus to his well being...sure! May God give him his long awaited Princess in the nearest future.

You are so true lillas.
When I visit Morroco's royal thread I have always the feeling that some members hate those commoners that became princesses.

I have the feeling that this "ghost princess" is already comdemned by some to become a second rank princess simply because she has no royal blood.
It's time for some to awake and realise that we are in 2009.In the rest of the world commoners who marry royals have a respected status and nobody denies their rights because they have no royal blood.
Things seem logical for me.
Salma is the king's spouse and mother of the crown prince and therefore the first lady of Morroco.
Moulay Rachid being the third heir to the thrown,his future wife will be the second lady in the kingdom.
King's sisters although having royal blood are going to be of lower rank since neither them nor their descendants can ascend to the throne.
For me,it will be so archaic and shameful if a married Moulay Rachid attends official events (like welcoming other royals)with one of his sisters and not with his wife.
This will give a bad image of the royal family.By giving Salma a title and a public image,the king wanted to show a modern image.I am persuaded he will do the same with the next princess.

loubna2 · #**172** 12-17-2009, 06:09 AM

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Originally Posted by soraya

You are so true lillas.
When I visit Morroco's royal thread I have always the feeling that some members hate those commoners that became princesses.

I have the feeling that this "ghost princess" is already comdemned by some to become a second rank princess simply because she has no royal blood.
It's time for some to awake and realise that we are in 2009.In the rest of the world commoners who marry royals have a respected status and nobody denies their rights because they have no royal blood.
Things seem logical for me.
Salma is the king's spouse and mother of the crown prince and therefore the first lady of Morroco.
Moulay Rachid being the third heir to the thrown,his future wife will be the second lady in the kingdom.
King's sisters although having royal blood are going to be of lower rank since neither them nor their descendants can ascend to the throne.
For me,it will be so archaic and shameful if a married Moulay Rachid attends official events (like welcoming other royals)with one of his sisters and not with his wife.
This will give a bad image of the royal family.By giving Salma a title and a public image,the king wanted to show a modern image.I am persuaded he will do the same with the next princess.

I agree with you about the first part of your answer, a commoner have all her place and the most important is the lady's personality and not that she has or hasn't a royal blood (as you say we are in 2009), but I think that this lady will play the role of second lady because the king's sisters seems to want being more discreet, but I doubt that the king will give her same title than the one of his wife or his sisters, for me she will have the same title than lalla lamia who is called Highness and not royal highness, and when she will attend an event with all the princesses (for example to welcome a head of state) she will be behind her sisters-in-law. I would be very surprised, if she will have the same or a higher rank than the king’s sisters; For me, salma is an exception because she is the king’s wife

lillas · #**173** 12-17-2009, 07:27 AM

Thank you Soraya for agreeing with my post.
That said my main point is that : really all of this rank idea doesn't really matter, there are enough activities and causes to defend in the Kingdom of Morocco. Putting a specific princess or another in front of the other is only a subjective idea...All of these ladies are part of the same family: The Allaouite Dynasty.
After his marriage, His Royal Highness Prince Moulay Rachid is eventually going to be the leader of his own family as well, starting his own descendance (family tree), and his wife (if it pleases to God) is going to be the second pillar of that family.That is mainly where she is going to be standing. The ladies are simply the followers of their respective husbands in this case.
Now for what Loubna2 said about personality, I think that it is really going to be up to HRH Prince Moulay Rachid to manadge her public importance and her ease or whatnot in the public life. His Highness's permission has to be given for every little step. I don't think there is any deliberate personal expression allowed.

isis · #**174** 12-17-2009, 09:59 AM

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I don't think there is any deliberate personal expression allowed.

unfortunately, I think that you are true, even if I would found wonderful if the prince choose a lady who has a completely different way to see things than him and the alaouite family and who will show it in her way to do things, but it's practically impossible to see this kind of person enter in a royal family

lillas · #**175** 12-17-2009, 10:53 AM

It is all in God's hands Isis. Whatever God has decided for His Royal Highness's marriage is going to be. May God bless this wedding and make it all for the best of the country and the Moroccan Royal Family.

isis · #**176** 02-09-2010, 02:26 AM

is he the only one bachelor among his cousins?

**Mademoiselle Lilo** · #**177** 02-09-2010, 09:54 AM

i guess so isis,after Moulay Ismail marraige i think he is the only single in MRF now,i hope his nephews don't get engaged before him

loubna2 · #**178** 02-10-2010, 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Mademoiselle Lilo

i guess so isis,after Moulay Ismail marraige i think he is the only single in MRF now,i hope his nephews don't get engaged before him

his nephews are 22 years old, what a pressure on the poor moulay rachid he has to find a wife quickly

**Mademoiselle Lilo** · #**179** 02-10-2010, 07:36 AM

this is my point loubna
i hope he look at his nephews and say to him self hmmmm maybe its time to me to got engaged before them.

i also hope this year will be his.

loubna2 · #**180** 02-10-2010, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Mademoiselle Lilo

this is my point loubna
i hope he look at his nephews and say to him self hmmmm maybe its time to me to got engaged before them.

i also hope this year will be his.

you know, sometimes it's good for men to have this kind of pressure to finally make their choice, I have some examples in my own family