Prinsjesdag 2013-2022


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Prinsjesdag 2022 at a new old venue

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It was announced today that the next Prinsjesdag,the 3rd tuesday of September when HM reads the Speech from the Throne,will be at the Royal Theatre,The Hague instead of the New Church.

The Royal Theatre,once build as a Palace,is an excellent venue,very stylish too and an excellent venue for the premiere of the Princess of Orange who will attend this Prinsjesdag for the first time as she has reached her 18 years of age last december.

Accompanied next year by her sister Alexia....I hope...?
 
Is the splendid Ridderzaal undergoing restoration?
 
The entire Inner court is undergoing a renovation except the Hall of Knights/Ridderzaal. The complex has been closed of and it will last until the end of 2026. But these complex renovations face many delays, so a Prinsjesdag 2027 in the Ridderzaal may be an over-optimistic estimate. Parlament has moved to the -ghastly- former ministery of Foreign affairs.

The former Nassau-Weilburg palace -now theatre- is perhaps a practical solution but I am not sure it would be wise to have such a day - theatre of state- take place in an actual theatre. The acid comments will write themselves.

A pity there is no other historic hall in the whole city to be found. I imagine the hall of Kneuterdijk palace is too small. But then we have no grand noble families and the stadholders always had rather modest palaces.

The former Weilburg palace of Pss Carolina of Orange-Nassau and her husband Karl Christian of Nassau-Weilburg was supposed to be 4 times larger than it is now.
 
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Why will the not use the New Church again this year?.
 
The church was chosen due to Covid: the hall was large enough to have the required distance between the members of both houses of parlament. They now chose this one because it is more 'festive' and because it will be possible to receive the usual 800 guests, without having to put them between the parlementarians. In addition, the city warned that it was difficult for the security services to get to the church quickly in case of an emergency due to the narrow streets.

https://www.ad.nl/politiek/prinsjes...ek-voor-gasten-en-feestelijke-sfeer~adc56b98/
 
Stefan said:
Why will the not use the New Church again this year?.
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No because the venue has to be isolated for a couple of days (a no-go area, a proteced circle around the location). The Great- or Saint James' Church is in the very middle of The Hague and the municipality finds it too obstructive for residents, shops, companies and offices around the location. The municipality also finds there is insufficient accessibility for police, fire brigade and ambulances in case of an emergency.

Now the former city palais Nassau-Weilburg (the Theatre Royal) will be used. Most likely the stage will be removed for Prinsjesdag (it seems the stage floor can be equalized with the floor of the hall) to avoid the idea that there is a stageplay instead of an assembly of the States-General.

The former city palais Nassau-Weilburg

The interior of the main hall

The route from Noordeinde Palace to the former city-palais Nassau-Weilburg is probably only one kilometre, so it will be a very short distance for the military, the carriages and the mounted escorts (unless they add extra streets to the route).

The Court has announced that Princess Catharina-Amalia of the Netherlands, The Princess of Orange, will attend the joint assembly of the two Chambers of the States-General (on the third Tuesday of September: Prinsjesdag).

This fits in a tradition, see the first Prinsjesdag of the previous Prince of Orange: picture.
 
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I wonder why they felt the need to announce because it would have been a surprise had she not attended after she reached the age of majority. Next year, I expect Alexia to join her and her parents and uncle and aunt as well. Ariane will have to wait until 2025.
 
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I wonder why they felt the need to announce because it would have been a surprise had she not attended after she reached the age of majority. Next year, I expect Alexia to join her and her parents and uncle and aunt as well. Ariane will have to wait until 2025.
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Memory of media is quite short term, I suppose. The last time that a Prince of Orange did attend Prinsjesdag is already 10 years ago...
 
That is what I said in Amalia's fashion topic, I see a mini-Queen Wilhelmina in her.
This almost looks like a reincarnation.
 
Did the Prince of Orange also do this prior to becoming king?
 
An Ard Ri said:
Did the Prince of Orange also do this prior to becoming king?
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By my knowledge: no.

Princess Amalia will be seated in the State Gala Berline 1 but I think she wanted to see how the Royal Mews prepare and train for events. The former Palais Nassau-Weilburg is a new venue for the Address from the Throne (the whole Inner Court complex including the Hall of Knights is in major restoration).

The Royal Mews uses this training to clock the distance between the venues including going in and out the carriages, where to "park" during the Address and how to make a turn with all the carriages for the ride back to the palace.

By experiencing all first-hand, the future boss of the Royal Household and the Royal Mews learns how things work. Excellent practice for the Princess. She seems genuinely interested. A bit like Elizabeth II who really knows the Royal Mews as no other and a bit like Margrethe II who is very interested in every detail of the Royal Household.

In books it is said that in the 1970's Princess Beatrix made a study of other Courts and largely modelled "her" Court Organization to the Danish example. She has been in Copenhagen and was given a detailed explanation of all services in the Danish organogram.
 
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No, it isn't. She will be in the carriage with her parents.
 
MonacoRoyalFan said:
Is it customary for the heir to ride horseback on Princes Day? We are Amalia practicing in The Hague. https://t.co/wWQnNq2QWT
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Most likely the Princess wants to see, hear, feel and experience how the Royal Mews are organized, how it works, how they prepare. One day she will be in charge of between 300 and 400 persons directly working for her Household, amongst these the Royal Mews.

This year is interesting because the venue for the Address from the Throne is changed to the former Palais Nassau-Weilburg. This need an adaptation of the route. What is the timing? Do the massed bands, the military escorts on foot and on horseback, the carriages encounter problematic situations, blockades? Are there tramlines in the road, where is a possibility for the horsedrawn carriages to make a turn? Are there exits alongside the route in case of an incident or emergency?

For the future Queen this will be extremely interesting to learn, to look with the eyes from her Crown Equerry, what he faces and how he solves it. Usually there are 64 horses from the Honorary Cavalry Escort, 64 horses from the Corps National Police, 34 horses from the Royal Marechaussee, 12 horses from the The Hague Police, some 20 horses pulling carriages and a dozen of horses carrying equerries, aides-de-camp, the Governor of the Residence and other court functionaries.

All these horses need transportation, accomodation, food, need to be groomed, saddled. But also all the troops need accomodation, changing venues to dress in ceremonial tenue. It will be a mightily interesting logistic operation for the Princess.
 
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The preparations for Prinsjesdag are in full swing. In the Koninklijke Schouwburg the finishing touches are being put to the red carpet at the entrance and the flowers are being arranged.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CisP7Xbsxys/

On the beach of Scheveningen, the Cavalry Honorary Escort of Defense, the National Police and the Royal Stable Department are practicing.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CisKO6ntzK1/
 
I am not sure about the new venue. It looks very 'empty' as if the whole thing is done in a television studio.

Many members of parliament look beyond bored though -Annabel Nanninga seems to be sleeping- though the ministers do their best to appear interested. The female D66 members of the cabinet prefer not to wear a hat and are in trousers.
 
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Marengo said:
I am not sure about the new venue. It looks very 'empty' as if the whole thing is done in a television studio.

Many members of parliament look beyond bored though -Annabel Nanninga seems to be sleeping- though the ministers do their best to appear interested. The female D66 members of the cabinet prefer not to wear a hat and are in trousers.
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Why was the venue changed?
 
The Inner Court is closed for renovations, which will last until who knows when. The church venue was discontinued due to security - and logistics concerns as it is located in the heart of the shopping area of The Hague, with many narrow streets.

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Ohlala: "We beseffen ons..." . let's hope it was a slip of the tongue by the King and that the the speech writers didn't atually put this in the text. One would think the text has been checked and checked again on grammatical errors.
 
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Marengo said:
The Inner Court is closed for renovations, which will last until who knows when. The church venue was discontinued due to security - and logistics concerns as it is located in the heart of the shopping area of The Hague, with many narrow streets.

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Ohlala: "We beseffen ons..." . let's hope it was a slip of the tongue by the King and that the the speech writers didn't atually put this in the text. One would think the text has been checked and checked again on grammatical errors.
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What would be the correct pronoun? Onszelf ?
 
Marengo said:
I am not sure about the new venue. It looks very 'empty' as if the whole thing is done in a television studio.

Many members of parliament look beyond bored though -Annabel Nanninga seems to be sleeping- though the ministers do their best to appear interested. The female D66 members of the cabinet prefer not to wear a hat and are in trousers.
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Tasteless women,really...OK,new elections and a couple of brooms..

I am not so sure about that venue either,if not the Hall of Knights then the Grote Kerk will do nicely,but not this.
 
Why doesn't the King wear his order miniatures and star like he did with his morning suit at QEII's funeral yesterday? It'd help even out the look between male and female royal members.
 
"It seems that Pss Beatrix did not pick the most fortunate location to watch the day" - understatement used by the commentator of the television channel.

She tried to watch it all from the windows of the former Kneuterdijk palace. But that became exactly the spot where a group of extremist farmers was protesting in a shameful manner, with upside-down flags, whistles, boo's and cries of 'traitor'.

https://dvhn.nl/binnenland/Prinses-Beatrix-kijkt-uit-het-raam-naar-Glazen-Koets-27937347.html

A group of extremist Dutch farmers have been terrorising the country for months now: blocking highways, ruining natural areas and threatening to kill politicians and their children. They are in general joined by supporters of the anti-semite party 'Forum for Democracy', COVID-deniers, neo-Nazis and other lunatics.

On this day they merely boo-ed the King, Queen and Princess of Orange, so that is progress compared to their usual comportement.

Neither the police nor the government are lifting a finger to hamper these criminals in their behavior. It is a mystery why, as other -more left leaning- protestors are beaten up and thrown in prison/ fined rather dilligently. The prime minister is of course nowhere to be seen in this discussion, which has become his habbit and survival mechanism.

lucien said:
Tasteless women,really..
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Have you seen a few of the other parlamentarians? Some were more suited for carnaval. And with - as Queen Carnaval t- he lady of the Farmer's party. What abominable disrespect for the institution and this day. TBH it would be best if they would abolish all the hats, as in the Netherlands -in general- women do not know how to wear it. They were very wise to have altered the dress code for the inauguration of the King.
 
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Because of an overwhelming agenda at work I have seen almost nothing from the events in London or The Hague except some feeds here or there.


I found it sad that the dear old Queen, seated in a window of Kneuterdijk Palace, was faced with protesters (farmers) holding flags upside down and jeering the royal cortège:


picture (the name Rutte on the banner refers to the current Prime Minster, already since 2010)


It made me so sad. The King has zero comma zero to do with the stringent agriculture policy of this Cabinet (enforcing farmers to drastically lower down nitrogen footprint - the Netherlands are one of the biggest exporters of agriculture in the world and this has an enormous footprint in the comparably small country).



That this ceremonial day has more and more become a focus for protesters is not new but what has become of the Netherlands? And then farmers and fishermen: always affiching themselves as loyal, Christian, cooperative. But as no one before them de-sacralizing the national flag.


May I puke?



?:sick::sick::sick::sick:
 
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I saw the you tube , what a Protest , a shame. And Princess Beatrix , this never happen when she was Queen
But I saw a real Orange , Princess Amalia , she will do it well . Marengo and Lucien I like her !.
 
maria-olivia said:
I saw the you tube , what a Protest , a shame. And Princess Beatrix , this never happen when she was Queen
But I saw a real Orange , Princess Amalia , she will do it well . Marengo and Lucien I like her !.
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Eeerrrmmmm.... In 1980 she became Queen on the day Amsterdam saw the worst riots ever, in 2010 she had an object thrown to the Golden State Coach during the ceremonial procession on Prinsjesdag, earlier that year a madman caused mass panic and a stampede during the National Remembrance on May 4th, in 2009 there was an attack on her life on Queen's Day in which 7 people died and many wounded (an idiot tried to ram a panoramic autobus with the royal family, live on television).

The Government presents new plans. The King is head of Government. So the ceremonial events at Prinsjesdag are an excellent opportunity to show discontent with the Government.

And the discontent is very deep as the enormous agriculture industry in the Netherlands apparently feels substantially threatened by "woke green-left climate cuddlers" and a deep gap between "les Pays-Bas profonde" (the traditional rural Netherlands) and the majority living in densely populated urban areas becomes visible. The Randstad alone, a cluster of cities in the provinces Holland and Utrecht has 8,33 million inhabitants.
 
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