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Old 10-08-2009, 07:14 AM
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We zijn Willem-Alexander zat - HP/De Tijd

The picture on the cover of the HP with the title "we are fed up with Willem Alexander":

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Old 10-08-2009, 08:47 AM
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Absolutely infantile statement by HP/De Tijd!

"We are sick and tired of the Crownprince",they should be slapped silly,
but moreover all the buzz is due to a incompetent mannenbroeder PM J-P Balkenende.

If he does what he has to do at the Palace he,and his fellow misfits,wouldn't have to hide behind the skirts of the Orange Nassau Family to cover up for their mistakes while blaming the Royal Family of alleged mischief.The bloody nonsense.Time and time again this government proves to be hugely incompetent .

If the press doesn't get their facts straight,one or two of 'm, might be dragged to Court for a trial that will only bring out that that Zeeuws babbelaartje of a PM is absolutely worthless in his handling of the Royal House.Infuriating little s***nose!He should be forced to step down.
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Old 10-08-2009, 08:56 AM
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Why are they angry with WA?
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Old 10-08-2009, 09:16 AM
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Why are they angry with WA?
I was wondering myself the same: Why are they angry with WA?
Does he have problems with dutch press?
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Old 10-08-2009, 09:27 AM
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I am sure Lucien or Susan Alicia (or other Dutch posters) will share the information.

But I am going to go out on a limb and say that AP lawsuit didn't win him any fans.
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Old 10-08-2009, 09:30 AM
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Because the PM and his infantile croonies in the government didn't/don't ever take responsibility for what is their job towards the RF,let alone us,and now blame the whole hullabaloo as being due to the spoiled Oranges while he himself,and his lot,failed in standing for the responsibility they have towards the Monarch and his/her family per our Constitution.

He handled every single occasion in which there was criticism towards the RF wrong,totally wrong.His croonies,read fellow government members,blame the Prince for all the uproar the house in Mozambique causes and a few other things.All could have been prevented had the PM set his foot right when he had too instead of being such a ,what's the translation for onderkruipsel,incompetent overzealous in all the wrong matters,this national embarrassment of a creature.

Not the Prince or the RF,the PM is to fully blame for all the upheavel.
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Old 10-08-2009, 11:23 AM
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I am sorry but HP/De Tijd isn;'t the only one who feels that way: 37% of the country lost sympathy for the royal family.

Article in Dutch

Why is the criticism to the RF wrong? It is within the powers of the royal family to stop the project in mozambique, to start paying for their private holidays, to offer to pay the renovation costs of HM,'s boat themselves! it would save a lot of embarrassement if they did those things without waiting until the rpime minister tells them to do so.

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An interesting start of the article in HP/De Tijd btw: 'You must have a fantastic life, for which you don't have to do anything special. But that face: angry, always angry. But angry at who, for heaven's sake? And why?'

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I must say it is quite an accomplishment to ruin your carefully build up reputation so quickly. Half a year ago it was better then ever, and now.... On the bright side: after this I would be very surprised if queen Beatrix would abdicate any time soon.

As I said in other posts, ít is too easy to blame everything on the PM. The prince is not a schoolchild, he has a brain, eyes and ears... he sees what is going on and is free to stop the project. But he doesn't. of course the PM should do it for him, but that doesn't mean the prince can't take responsibility himself.

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It didn't, it showed him as a whining person, anry and out of touch with reality (while we are in the midst of an ecomic crisis the prince is on his xxth holiday and nagging about photographers, was the image). Still, the financial issues (air travel costs, costs of the Groene Draeck, the house in Mozambique and the trusts of members of the RF) are much more damaging for the public image of the RF.
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Old 10-08-2009, 11:32 AM
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Apparently the Labour Party, the Socialist Party and the PVV (fascist party) urge the government to cut back on the budget of the RF. Interestingly enough Labour is in government at the moment.

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Other parties are worried about the image of the RF and how to restaure it (something the court seems totally ignorant about). The Liberal party spoke about blunders (by the PM?) and said that the prime minister wasn't always informed correctly by members of the royal house. The socialist party wants the prime minister to play a firmer role.

During the debate the SP started about a 'Swedish model' for the dutch monarchy (HM is not a member of the government), which the government parties did not want to discuss. Around 10 years ago there was an extensive debate about this in the press and parliament about the matter, fueled by the Social-Liberals (D66).

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And a clip in Dutch, about the fact that the irritation with the crown prince is growing among members of the government:
http://www.rtl.nl/(/actueel/rtlnieuw...kroonprins.xml
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Old 10-08-2009, 12:31 PM
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What is the 'Swedish mode'?
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Old 10-08-2009, 01:24 PM
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There seems to be some major communication problems between the Court, the PM, and Parliament. I agree with Marengo, the PoO is a grown and intelligent man. He should know when to stop and what is appropriate. The PM has far more pressing matters, such as the economy and so on, then to breathe down the royal familys back. They really need to sort this out soon, I quite like the Dutch system of monarchy and think it would be a shame to go to the Swedish Model. Plus, doesnt the DutchRF have a considerable private fortune? They shouldnt have the goverment pay for their personal trips and such.

The Swedish Model, Im assuming, means that the Monarch has no interaction with Parliament or the PM at all. In Britian, Holland, and etc, the Monarch meets with the PM reguarly, reads the Speech from the Throne, Signs all bills into law, and etc. Sweden doesnt do any of that.
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Old 10-08-2009, 01:24 PM
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I'm not sure about the "Swedish Mode" but from my own personal point of view the "Netherlands Mode" and style of monarchy is faultless and rather excellent. It most certainly does not need changing! If ever the "British Mode" was changed, I'd be more than happy with the Netherland's style here in the UK!

I really have no idea why any of the political parties or their members should feel that it is within their remit to make any critisism of the Royal Family whatsoever. These elected individuals are a brief (and a not usually worthwhile) part of the country's history and as such, they should know their place. The Royal Family, on the other hand are living history itself and, costly or not, their worth is far greater than a nasty little MP out to make himself bigger (some hope) at the expense of everyone else.
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Old 10-08-2009, 02:33 PM
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I am sure Lucien or Susan Alicia (or other Dutch posters) will share the information.

But I am going to go out on a limb and say that AP lawsuit didn't win him any fans.
You're limping elegantly,but no,it didn't have to do with the AP lawsuit.
That is nothing and long forgotten already.

It's about the upheavel over the project in Mozambique.The Prince and Princess have issued a statement today,read out by the PM in Parliament today that they will remain involved in the Mozambique project and for all the reasons they started being involved in the first place,privacy,their love for Africa and the chance to develop and help the locals.I have no reason not to believe them in that,nor their love for Africa,and the project and what it stands for in their best expectations and motivations.

A parliament discussing this as well as other matters concerning the Monarchy,ao,the costs of flying by the RF and that they should for that themselves.Really,it is a first since decades and would not have been necessary at all had the PM done his work better as he should have.It is in the Constitution that he is responsible for the Royal House.These matters are for discussions within the Palace walls as they always have been and ONLY there.That is part of his task and he fails totally in this,as in many other matters,whatever the RF does,HE is responsible and should take responsibility at all times,THAT is within the borders of his function and all,the RF and we,should rely on that.At present no-one can due to his bad performance.

Really to deal with people and simplex gigantica that say it would be good for the RF to sell some of their palaces while we're all in crisis and all that nonsense,as first they do not own any of the palaces and second,crisis?here?A HYPE of sorts,most dutch don't feel the first thing of a crisis,most dutch still fly out and about with ease 2 to 3 times a year but complaining is a second nature to many people and because of that alone I reject and ignore that totally.The crisis has not hit the Netherlands to the extent it did in other parts of the world where the greed bubble burst first.Giving in to the hypes of the vox populi does more harm then anything else and I for one won't have it.

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As if a president and his entourage would fly while standing in line with their creditcard...NO,ofcourse not,but hey it's winter and there's nothing else going on worthwhile in the Netherlands let alone the world today,so why not bash the RF?It is that,and again that joker PM made it a poor performance while dealing with a parliament that is partially,the larger chunck at least,absolutely ignorant on the how and what of the Monarchy due to their own interest of riding the waves of what the vox populi wishes for so they be voted for again,to be forgotten again day after tomorrow.It has been like that since the dawn of mankind,and it isn't different now.A new sort of give 'm bread and games.I have absolutely nothing with that and refuse to go in to nonsense while all others do,I am not all others,never was,and I am no way part of a caddle either.
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Old 10-09-2009, 12:15 AM
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Could someone give a brief summary of the Mozambique issue? I know WA and Maxima have built/are building/want to build a home there, and for some reason that's a problem, but I don't follow them enough to know much more. Thanks.

Are the Prince and Princess of Orange the main target of the criticism, or are people upset with the Queen and other members of the family as well?
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Old 10-09-2009, 12:37 AM
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Could someone give a brief summary of the Mozambique issue? I know WA and Maxima have built/are building/want to build a home there, and for some reason that's a problem, but I don't follow them enough to know much more. Thanks.

Are the Prince and Princess of Orange the main target of the criticism, or are people upset with the Queen and other members of the family as well?
Maura, see this thread, there is lots of discussion about the issue there
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Old 11-02-2009, 12:30 AM
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Agree completely...

Our PM did some fantastic damage control in parliament...

In the USA they frown upon the attitude of Willem-Alexander and Maxima towards the press.. People with such high profiles should be 'visible' is their argument..
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Old 11-02-2009, 12:58 AM
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Agree completely...

Our PM did some fantastic damage control in parliament...

In the USA they frown upon the attitude of Willem-Alexander and Maxima towards the press.. People with such high profiles should be 'visible' is their argument..
What they frown upon "over there" is passed by what we frawn upon looking "over there".old theme Bart,already forgotten here.
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Old 08-12-2010, 05:28 AM
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Prinsjesdag 2010


HM Queen Beatrix will traditionally read the speech from the Throne on the third tuesday of September,tuesday september 21st,
Hall of Knights,The Hague.
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Old 09-14-2010, 08:02 AM
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The website on Prinsjesdag 2010.Sorry,in dutch only.

De Prinsjesdagwebsite van de rijksoverheid

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I like to see the dress from princes Maxima. They are always so wonderfull.
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Every third Tuesday of September, the Budget Day, the festive opening of the new year of the States-General (the Senate and House).

This year Her Majesty the Queen riding on Budget Day in the Golden Coach to Parliament Buildings in The Hague and speak at the joint session of the States-General in the Knights of the throne speech. In the throne speech are the main plans of the government for the coming year. The meeting is attended by ministers and state secretaries, representatives of the Diplomatic Corps and High Councils of State (Council of State, Audit, National Ombudsman, Queen, High Council of Nobility and Chancellery of Dutch Orders) and other representatives from various sectors of society.

The Queen departs at 13:00 from Noordeinde Palace to the Knights' Hall accompanied by Their Royal Highnesses the Prince of Orange and Princess Máxima of the Netherlands, Prince Constantijn and Princess Laurentien of the Netherlands and Her Royal Highness Princess Margriet of the Netherlands and prof.mr . Pieter van Vollenhoven.

The route that the Golden Carriage driving, walking through Noordeinde Heulstraat, Kneuterdijk, Lange Voorhout, Toernooiveld and Korte Vijverberg to the courtyard where the coach stops for the Knights. Around 14.00 hours starting again with the Queen's Golden Coach along the same route back to Noordeinde Palace, where they on the balcony of the Noordeinde Palace will appear.

Since the departure of the Queen of the Noordeinde Palace to the time of her return are issued from the Malieveld minute shot by Army Command (propelled artillery)

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