Paedophilia Forum shows Pictures of Dutch Royal Children: October 2008

[carlota]

w-a and maxima have won at the court: LOS PRÍNCIPES DE ORANGE GANAN EN LOS TRIBUNALES

the association will have to pay 5000 per image. i wonder if they will donate the money to charity just as they did in other ocassions when they received money from lawsuits?

[Verde Esmeralda]

From what I understand (please do correct me if I got lost in translation, as the title is in Dutch), Story magazine claims that Amalia is now featured in a Russian pedo-site:

Story

[Empress]

Yes, that is what it says. Although Story is not the most reliable of sources.

[Vanesa]

This story is awful and just show in which kind of world we are living in. Any little girl (or boy) , should be used for these criminals. I'm against pornography, but much more about pornography featuring children, since they are innocent and couldn't choice about being used by these insane, bad people.

I just can't understand how could it be that some "persons" could be excited sexually speaking by little boys and girls .

Vanesa.

[Rebafan81]

Originally Posted by Vanesa

This story is awful and just show in which kind of world we are living in. Any little girl (or boy) , should be used for these criminals. I'm against pornography, but much more about pornography featuring children, since they are innocent and couldn't choice about being used by these insane, bad people.

I just can't understand how could it be that some "persons" could be excited sexually speaking by little boys and girls .

Vanesa.

Oh Vanesa, I soooooooo agree with you!!! Anyone who gets excitement from children are just sick. I know we are supose to not get personal on here or say anything bad about people but there nothing but bad about these kind of people. I wish some how we could put a stop to this kind of sickness, children such blessings from GOD and should be treated as such.

[princess olga]

This whole sorry saga certainly makes me understand a bit better why Alexander was so adamant to have that 'media code' in place.

And as cute as their kids are and as much as I enjoy watching them grow up by way of virtual pictures on this forum, all the same, it is disconcerting to think that some people might use those pictures for, in my view, sinister reasons. Makes me feel a bit guilty that as a royalty watcher, I encourage pictures being out there of royal kids, who didn't ask to be in this situation.

An interesting discussion I saw about this among readers of Dutch news sites, was that some people thought Alexander's law suit was a missed opportunity. Instead of asking the judge that <all> children should be banned from sites catering to pedofiles, he only asked that <his own> kids would be taken off these sites. People called it a missed opportunity and selfish of him and Maxima.

Because most 'normal' parents would not have the means to fight their kids being on those site s the way the wealthy powerful royal family can.

[princess olga]

Originally Posted by principessa

I was deeply shocked while I had read the news. Why is it possible for those paedophile person to do what they had done? Its so sick. I hope that they were judged very hard and they aren't allowed to use computers during their lifes! Or they should get very painful sentences which pains the body of them or makes them more crazy that they don't know what life is and who they. Children are so innocent.

Let's keep in mind here that what these people have done is akin to a 'thought crime'. As far as I'm aware, the Netherlands has freedom of speech (well sort of - you can't buy controversial tomes such as 'Mein Kampf', like you can here in the US, but that's a different story), so anyone expressing their thoughts about a public figure is able to do so (again, sort of. Insulting the Queen is illegal in the Neth.)

Don't get me wrong, I don't endorse pedophilia (sp?) by any means but let's keep in mind that all these people have done in this particular case is express their thoughts.

[Regina]

Originally Posted by Vanesa

I just can't understand how could it be that some "persons" could be excited sexually speaking by little boys and girls .

Vanesa.

They are sick and evil people. Sometimes some liberal persons tend to "forgive" them saying "Oh they just had an unhappy chilhood", "They don't know what they are doing" etc... This makes me furious. Of course these adults know very well what they are doing, they know it's a crime against innocents! Goverments should create radical laws against this kind of people (imo).

Originally Posted by princess olga

An interesting discussion I saw about this among readers of Dutch news sites, was that some people thought Alexander's law suit was a missed opportunity. Instead of asking the judge that <all> children should be banned from sites catering to pedofiles, he only asked that <his own> kids would be taken off these sites. People called it a missed opportunity and selfish of him and Maxima.

Because most 'normal' parents would not have the means to fight their kids being on those site s the way the wealthy powerful royal family can.

Well I remember to read that Prince William said he hoped that the court's decision could help all other parents in the same situation.
Bue maybe they (he and Maxima) could create some kind of Foundation against children pornography, since they know and understand now the despair of parents who see their children face in paedophilia sites. I agree normal parents don't have the same opportunities and power to fight like the princes have.

[nylonluva]

Originally Posted by Regina

They are sick and evil people. Sometimes some liberal persons tend to "forgive" them saying "Oh they just had an unhappy chilhood", "They don't know what they are doing" etc... This makes me furious. Of course these adults know very well what they are doing, they know it's a crime against innocents! Goverments should create radical laws against this kind of people (imo).



Well I remember to read that Prince William said he hoped that the court's decision could help all other parents in the same situation.
Bue maybe they (he and Maxima) could create some kind of Foundation against children pornography, since they know and understand now the despair of parents who see their children face in paedophilia sites. I agree normal parents don't have the same opportunities and power to fight like the princes have.

and i GUESS not all parent have the staff and suport to even find them in those websites...
anyway a problem might even be..ok its the ******* who commit the crimes..but the dutch law even allowed a party for peoplewho wanted to lower the age of sexual intercourse from 16 to 12 on a legal base..ok that is not the problem of the royals or parents buzt overall i think this circles and communities should be fought with all the power from law and not be given a legal base to read out their **** in public..this has nothing to do with democratic rights and free speak...madman have no free speak..imho
greetings
steve

[princess olga]

Originally Posted by Regina

Well I remember to read that Prince William said he hoped that the court's decision could help all other parents in the same situation.
Bue maybe they (he and Maxima) could create some kind of Foundation against children pornography, since they know and understand now the despair of parents who see their children face in paedophilia sites. I agree normal parents don't have the same opportunities and power to fight like the princes have.

I do know that Queen Silvia has been very pro-active in this arena, protecting children's rights, over the past decades. Maybe this could be good territory for Maxima also

[Marengo]

website nu.nl writes that according to the website stopkindersex.com pictures were found on another peadopheliawebsite. This time on a peadophilia forum PHR (pedofielen hebben rechten - peadophiles have rights). Under the one of the pictures it says ´since when does the royal family decide what to publish´ and another picture of Amalia waving says ´sieg heil´.

Article in Dutch here.

[susan alicia]

they say something much more shocking, lets see if I can make it acceptable for this website: under a picture of Amalia is the sentence: since when does the royal family interfere with (the picture) of whom one (sexual explicite word)

Well this is one for the judicial system again.

..............Op de nieuwe foto's staat onder meer een portret van Amalia met in het onderschrift: "Sinds wanneer bemoeit het koningshuis zich met wie zich waarop afrukt?" .............

Originally Posted by Marengo

website nu.nl writes that according to the website stopkindersex.com pictures were found on another peadopheliawebsite. This time on a peadophilia forum PHR (pedofielen hebben rechten - peadophiles have rights). Under the one of the pictures it says ´since when does the royal family decide what to publish´ and another picture of Amalia waving says ´sieg heil´.

Article in Dutch here.

[Marengo]

uhm... satisfy oneself might be the more decent description of the word...

Anyway, the peadophelia site removed the pictures out of fear for a process and the ¨picture with the ´sieg heil´ text was posted at a an extreme right forum, of something called the stormfront and the deleted the picture as well.

[Marengo]

The new pictures released by the RF on the occassion of princess Catharina-Amalia's 5th brithday have been linked at the website for the paedophilia association, called 'Martijn'.

Article in Dutch here.

On the website ínsulting' remarks about the princess can be read now... :(

[Carminha Stalker]

It´s simply and utterly disgusting the these so-called "associations" who prey on children, are allowed to exist. There are somethings in our modern society that are simply beyond the pale and I can´t think of a reason that the law should condone them.
Anybody who exploits, harms or even like in this case has the cheek to put photos of innocent children in their sites are simply the gutter of society.
IMO they shouldn´t be permitted to put their filth either on magazines or in the Internet.
In my country, there has been an intense campaign against sites of paedophilia in the Internet and they have jailed several people who participated in this.

[Empress]

Wait a second... Weren't they prohibited from doing this after the last time? Didn't the RF have some sort of court case against them? If the website has found some sort of technical loophole around linking to the photos, it is certainly against the spirit of the ruling, and I am sure that they well know it!

This is disgusting!

Going back through this thread, I have to say that I don't think that pedophiles have rights as they seem to think that they do. In a post above, there is a website mentioned where the name of the website is that "pedophiles have rights", well I think that they forego those rights when they take away the rights of the little ones that they abuse. What about their rights? How come sex offenders have rights, but their victims not?

It reminds me in a small way of a case here recently in the states, where a serial rapist was on trial, but his victims were forbidden by the judge to use the term rape, assault, victim, etc saying that terms such as those during testimony were unduly prejudicial to the defendant. So the rapist had more rights than the victim. Disgusting!

As for WA and Maxima making this case count for all children, I am thankfully (despite living years in the NL) not all that familiar with the judicial system there, however if it is like anything in the US, these two could not bring a lawsuit on behalf of people other than themselves or their own children. That would need a class action suit, which would need to be organized by a body of people, and presented to the court for approval to organize. However, the ruling made in their case could be used for the basis of a new law... But that is in the US.

[TLLK]

Originally Posted by Marengo

The new pictures released by the RF on the occassion of princess Catharina-Amalia's 5th brithday have been linked at the website for the paedophilia association, called 'Martijn'.

Article in Dutch here.

On the website ínsulting' remarks about the princess can be read now... :(

I had hoped that the "association" would have stopped this display. How awful for any parent to realize that their child's image is on a site like this one?

[lucien]

Chop chop,it's the best remedy against these beasts,..

I am really too infuriated for words.But I'm sure one doesn't need any imagination to read my mind.
Time they're chased down,for once and for all,one way,or the other.

I think the parents just went through the roof for anger when they heard that filth.

[sgl]

Lucien, I completely agree with you. I consider myself a very liberal person, but when it comes to crimes against children (and yes, I believe that posting a child's photo, clothed or not, and writing sexually explicit things about that child is a crime-it is NOT freedom of speech) then I have not one ounce of tolerance. A person does not have the right to use a child in ANY way for sexual purposes. These sick people need to be put away forever.

[chaz]

Pedophiles should be prosecuted to the limits of the law,all of them!