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Old 10-19-2008, 05:52 PM
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That's an interesting song. What is it about, and when was it sung? And is it really them?
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Old 10-19-2008, 06:07 PM
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That's an interesting song. What is it about, and when was it sung? And is it really them?
Yes that ARE Beatrix, Claus, Pieter and Magriet. The last two are referenced as Piet and Pitie, It was recorded for the coppery wedding of Pieter and Magrit in 1980. Every attendee of the party got the record as a gift. Also Willem Duys got one ( I am not sure if it was accidentally, but he got one) and let it hear while his radio programm and fortunally one of the listeners recorded it. And so it was never really lost, but just a few know about it. And in the last weeks it was more present again.

It is a fun song. They paraphrase about the word "Loo".
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General Questions About the Dutch Royal Family

Why are the windows of the golden coach always open?

It always makes an incomplete impression: as if someone forgot to tidy up that small detail by closing the windows.

If the interior is too hot, then why not just instal air conditioning ventilation?
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Old 09-22-2010, 02:31 PM
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Perhaps they want to hear what the people are shouting from the streets.

About the airco, since the coach is over a hundred years old, they might not want to put in one. Perhaps it would damage the coach too much.
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The glass is probably quite thick. However, I believe (and bear in mind that I do not speak from experience) the occupants will surely hear what the crowd are saying with the window closed.
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Royal protocol

In the wake of Crown Princess Victoria and the birth of her daughter I wondered what and how the protocol for a royal birth in Holland is?
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Old 02-24-2012, 07:42 AM
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There is no big ceremony as far as I can remember.
After a child is born the parents have three days max. to announce the birth. Same for the royals.
W-A announced the names on the third day in all three births, I think.
No pictures of the baby and parents leaving the hospital like with the Danish and Swedish.
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Old 02-26-2012, 09:35 AM
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In the wake of Crown Princess Victoria and the birth of her daughter I wondered what and how the protocol for a royal birth in Holland is?
When an Heir Apparent is born, 101 salutes are fired in several different locations of the Kingdom. The names of the child are announced either by an official announcement, or at the civil registry. Prince Claus opted for the latter when he announced the name of his first-born son. Soon after birth, the child is baptised as a member of the Dutch Reformed Church.
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William IV Monogram ?

Dear all,

I kindly ask you a suggestion for the monogram dispalyed on below picture, the monogram says "CW" and has a marquis crown. Since William IV name was Wilhelm Carl Heinrich Friso, and he was maquis of Veere and Vlissingen, I think that this could be his monogam, but I would like to hear a comment from an expert.





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Correspondence etiquette

Dear all,
Please advise on the addressing form in letters addressed to HRH Queen Maxima.

And if anyone can help would be much appreciated.

I have to address a letter to Queen Maxima presenting a project similar to Money Wise and it is the first time i am addressing a Royal...it so much has to be perfect.

Thank you so much,

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Keep it simple. Most likely it will not even reach the eyes of the Queen herself. Start with Your Majesty and for the rest it is Madame (for the King: Sir). Just follow usual etiquette for any normal letter. That is all.

Note that your letter will be received by the Dienst Koninklijk Huis (Royal House Service) and then distributed to the Kabinet van de Koning (the official secretariate) or to the Particulier Secretaris (the Private Secretary) which will then distribute it furtherer in the pipeline.

The chance is there that your request will be answered by a ministerial department, for an example the Department of Education. In that case the Royal House will give notice that your letter has been forwarded. That the King or Queen actually see your letter will be rare. They are given a selection of letters by the Secretariate, meaning that officials have the opinion it needs a personal consideration by the royal in question.
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correspondence etiquette

thank you. either way, i hope she shall hear about it. i have had the opportunity to see her at the EBC meeting some days ago and heard her speech.

She is indeed an inspiration to many of us.

Thank you once again,

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When was the decision taken that Prince Johan Friso and Prince Constantijn were to have private careers, rather than becoming full-time working royals?

Was it decided on the initiative of the Royal Family or by the Government?

What contributed to the decision, which was a break with tradition?


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When was the decision taken that Prince Johan Friso and Prince Constantijn were to have private careers, rather than becoming full-time working royals?

Was it decided on the initiative of the Royal Family or by the Government?

What contributed to the decision, which was a break with tradition?


Thank you in advance to anyone who can assist with the questions.
Both princes themselves pursued their own careers. They had to anyway as in the Netherlands the group of royals receiving an income from the State is limited to six: the current King, the future King, the previous King, and their eventual spouses. So Prince Friso and Prince Constantijn already knew they were in the same position as their cousins from aunt Irene, aunt Margriet and aunt Christina. Especially Prince Friso was succesful: his widow Mabel is probably the most wealthy individual royal thanks to clever investments by the late Prince. He would never ever made that fortune when he received an income from the State and would - therefore - have been limited in his freedom to enterprise.
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It was clear that the princes would never receive an income from the state from the beginning. Their aunts - the younger daughters of Queen Juliana- never received one either.

It was said in the 70-ties that the late Prince Bernhard was keen on his grandchildren learning a trade and finding a job later on in life. Also because the family was not sure how much longer the insitution would last.

I never heard anything about the government intervening in the matter, it seemed to have been a wish of the family which coinsided with public opinion. I suppose it was a relative new phenonemon as both Wilhelmina as Juliana had no surviving siblings.
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It was clear that the princes would never receive an income from the state from the beginning. Their aunts - the younger daughters of Queen Juliana- never received one either.

It was said in the 70-ties that the late Prince Bernhard was keen on his grandchildren learning a trade and finding a job later on in life. Also because the family was not sure how much longer the insitution would last.

I never heard anything about the government intervening in the matter, it seemed to have been a wish of the family which coinsided with public opinion. I suppose it was a relative new phenonemon as both Wilhelmina as Juliana had no surviving siblings.
And as members of the Royal House with an income from the State, it looks hard to me that Prince Friso or Bernhard van Vollenhoven could set up a low-cost airline, be a banker at Goldman Sachs or own 350+ real estate properties in Ámsterdam alone plus a Formula One race circuit. Not being a recipient of any single cent from the State was the best situation for them.
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Thank you to Marengo and Duc_et_Pair for your assistance. It is interesting that the royal family acted on their own to limit the number of working royals without governmental and/or public pressure as for instance in Belgium, Spain or Sweden.

How were Princess Margriet and Pieter van Vollenhoven able to finance their role as working royals, and how were all three sisters of Queen Beatrix able to support themselves and their families, without receiving a state income? None of the princesses appear to have pursued careers as lucrative as those of their nephews Friso and Constantijn.
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The four daughters of Queen Juliana all received a substantial inheritance from their grandmother, Queen Wilhelmina. If wisely invested it could have grown over the years. In the case of Pss Irene it is not clear if this happened. It was said she invested some of her inheritance on the restauration of Chateau de Lignières which was later inherited by her awful ex-brother-in-law and not by her ex-husband/ son.

After the death of Queen Juliana it appeared that she had set up a fund that would provide her three younger daughters with an annual income. The initial sum was 5 million guilders -donated in the 1960s- which resulted in 116.000 Euros per year for each of the three younger daughters. Queen Juliana had set up a simular fund for her husband, which contained 4 million guilders. The remainder of Prince Bernhard's fund was split between his 4 legal daughters.

After the death of Queen Juliana and Prince Bernhard the princesses received two substantial inheritances. Princess Irene was able to by an estate in South-Africa while princess Margriet converted her bungalow in Apeldoorn from this to this. The place seems to be larger than both Drakensteyn as Villa Eikenhorst.

Princess Margriet 's work and that of her husband is not paid. They do get their costs reimbursed from the monarch. It is not known how much this sum involves. I do not know if Prof. Pieter's work for the National Safety Board was paid, but I would be surprised if it were.

As for Princess Beatrix... Her father once said: 'Trix heeft niks' (Trix has nothing). He estimated that she owned less than a million Euros. She supposedly had to borrow money from her father for a wedding gift for WA and Máxima (a set of tableware). The explanation I have read is that as a monarch she was expected to pay for certain things from her own pocket, such as food for the animals at het Loo etc.

Prince Constantijn's carreer is not so lucrative in comparison to other relatives. It provides a comfortable upper-middle class lifestyle but nothing more than that. Prince Friso was a keen investor but was sadly not able to see the results of his investments. Last year the stock portfolio of Pss Mabel was valued at 300 million Euros.

I am not sure how much the younger members of the RF have inherited. Though at the time of the divorce of Princess Margaritha it was said that her horrible ex-husband had spend 800.000 Euros of her money. It was said to have equaled her entire inheritance from Queen Juliana.
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The four daughters of Queen Juliana all received a substantial inheritance from their grandmother, Queen Wilhelmina. If wisely invested it could have grown over the years. In the case of Pss Irene it is not clear if this happened. It was said she invested some of her inheritance on the restauration of Chateau de Lignières which was later inherited by her awful ex-brother-in-law and not by her ex-husband/ son.

After the death of Queen Juliana it appeared that she had set up a fund that would provide her three younger daughters with annual income. The initial was 5 million guilders -donated in the 1960s- which resulted in 116.000 Euros per year for each of the three younger daughters. Queen Juliana had set up a simular fund for her husband, which contained 4 million guilders. The remainder of Prince Bernhard's fund was split between his 4 legal daughters.

After the death of Queen Juliana and Prince Bernhard the princesses received two substantial inheritances. Princess Irene was able to by an estate in South-Africa while princess Margriet converted her bungalow in Apeldoorn from this to this. The place seems to be larger than both Drakensteyn as Villa Eikenhorst.

Princess Margriet 's work and that of her husband is not paid. They do get their costs reimbursed from the monarch. It is not known how much this sum involves. I do not know if Prof. Pieter's work for the National Safety Board was paid, but I would be surprised if it were.

As for Princess Beatrix... Her father once said: 'Trix heeft niks' (Trix has nothing). He estimated that she owned less than a million Euros. She supposedly had to borrow money from her father for a wedding gift for WA and Máxima (a set of tableware). The explanation I have read is that as a monarch she was expected to pay for certain things from her own pocket, such as food for the animals at het Loo etc.

Prince Constantijn's carreer is not so lucrative in comparison to other relatives. It provides a comfortable upper-middle class lifestyle but nothing more than that. Prince Friso was a keen investor but was sadly not able to see the results of his investments. Last year the stock portfolio of Pss Mabel was valued at 300 million Euros.

I am not sure how much the younger members of the RF have inherited. Though at the time of the divorce of Princess Margaritha it was said that her horrible ex-husband had spend 800.000 Euros of her money. It equaled her entire inheritance from Queen Juliana.
It seems the 14 grandchildren of Queen Juliana received around 1 million each, so with the purchase of the Château de Bartas (picture: https://www.france-pittoresque.com/I...eau-Bartas.jpg) in the Gers, France, I can imagine most of Princess Margarita's inheritance was spent indeed.

The house of Prince Constantijn (picture - the one with the orange rooftiles: https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-p5Ii9yusQ...hoenstraat.jpg) was purchased without mortgage, according to the land registry.

The rumour is that Queen Wilhelmina had set up a fund of 15 million for each of her four grandchildren. Queen Juliana had set up a Fund Functional Costs of the House Orange-Nassau (to reimburse the costs of the three youngest daughters in their royal function). Queen Beatrix has set up the Fund Functional Costs of the House Orange-Nassau II (to reimburse the costs of the two youngest sons in their royal function). We may expect King Willem-Alexander creating a Fund Functional Costs of the House Orange-Nassau III (to reimburse the costs of the two youngest daughters in their royal function).

With the remark "Trix has nothing" Prince Bernhard will have meant that the bulk of the private fortune was not with her but with her mother, the abdicated Queen.
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[....] while princess Margriet converted her bungalow in Apeldoorn from this to this. The place seems to be larger than both Drakensteyn as Villa Eikenhorst.

[....] .
I am curious to learn what the future will be of this BIG modern house in the forests of the Crown Domain. It is close to Het Loo Palace and would make a nice residence for The Princess of Orange. Of course the same can be said about Villa Eikenhorst and Drakensteyn.
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