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Old 08-16-2019, 10:23 AM
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My condolences to the Dutch Royal Family.
Rest in peace.

Why do you say she lived a marriage without love?
Did Princess Christina's ex-husband remarry after the divorce?
Why didn't Queen Juliana accept her daughter's marriage?

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It was rumored for years. Cristina was even once quoted as saying the Jorge was insufferable and that he only cared about his title. Almost as soon as he married her the problems began. It was said that he would leave her at night and go off. A persistent rumor is that Jorge was gay.
Thanks for the information. I didn't know that at all. Too bad you weren't happy in your marriage.
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Old 08-16-2019, 11:03 AM
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There was no mention of a Funeral Mass in the announcement so I'm not sure it might be a humanist Service,the Princess will be cremated in private afterwards as per the notice above .



Princess Christina's husband was Catholic, but I don't know if she herself was ever received in the Catholic Church.



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Old 08-16-2019, 11:26 AM
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A nice profile of P.Christina by dutch news site nu.nl
https://www.nu.nl/dvn2/5979371/profi...t-anoniem.html

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Thank you for posting this. Are there any other informative profiles of the princess? I would like to learn more about her, and her motives for electing to lead a life of such anonymity (being more private than even the children of Princess Irene).

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Sorry to read that, she had a very hard life.
Are you perhaps referencing her divorce, or her health issues?
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Old 08-16-2019, 11:45 AM
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The Princess passed away "at Noordeinde Palace Compound". It consists of the palace, the building of the Koninklijk Huisarchief, the Royal Mews, the Fagel Pavillon, the maison Noordeinde 66 (the pied-à-terre of Princess Beatrix in The Hague) and some service buildings.

If the Princess did not pass away at the palace, I guess she stayed at her eldest sister's mansion, Noordeinde 66, which is interconnected with the palace, and so offers a private residence with all facility services from the royal household on the same compound.

But there is also a private wing of the palace itself with a secluded garden, not visible from the street. This used to be the private quarters of the royal family at Noordeinde Palace: https://www.hethuisvanoranje.nl/18%2...estauratie.jpg
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Old 08-16-2019, 11:54 AM
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Princess Christina's husband was Catholic, but I don't know if she herself was ever received in the Catholic Church.
Her biography in English Wikipedia says she was (in 1992).
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Old 08-16-2019, 12:03 PM
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Princess Christina's husband was Catholic, but I don't know if she herself was ever received in the Catholic Church.



My condolences to the family.
The Princess as far as I'm aware converted to Catholicism.
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Old 08-16-2019, 12:49 PM
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Poor Princess Cristina, may she rest in peace. From my understanding, she did not have an easy life. Born nearly blind, she had a rocky, loveless marriage and suffered a great deal when she was divorced.

Here is a video of her engagement:

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Old 08-16-2019, 01:14 PM
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Why do you say she lived a marriage without love?
Did Princess Christina's ex-husband remarry after the divorce?
Why didn't Queen Juliana accept her daughter's marriage?
It was rumored for years. Cristina was even once quoted as saying that Jorge was insufferable and that he only cared about his title. Almost as soon as he married her the problems began. It was said that he would leave her at night and go off. A persistent rumor is that Jorge was gay.
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I believe he did not treat Christina very well. That the family kept inviting the late duke of Parma to family events but banned Jorge Guillermo completely says enough. He was said to be unkind and with bad manners and with belittling remarks towards his wife, apparently witnissed by members of the royal family.

When Christina met Jorge he lived together with a man, Ned O'Gorman. He had studied Art History and worked at a kindergarten for socially underpriviliged children in Harlem, New York. After the marriage Prince Bernhard supposedly arranged a more respectable job for him at KLM and later at Golden Tullip Hotels. The latter let him leave the company with a small compensation. In the last years of his marriage he mainly focussed on buying art and old wine. He also wrote a few coffee tables books. one of them about Cuba, which experts claimed had little to do with the reality on the island. The art work was all auctioned off after the divorce.

After the divorce he studied History of Art and Theology at Leuven University in Belgium. He befriended a priest with the last name of Dobson. In 2005 it was claimed in the gossip press that they were more than just friends. Later he moved to London -where his daughter Juliana lived with him- and in 2005 to a small castle in Condome, France. From his divorce he did not gain much money as the couple was married with a prenuptial agreement.

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Old 08-16-2019, 02:33 PM
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It was rumored for years. Cristina was even once quoted as saying that Jorge was insufferable and that he only cared about his title.
And he didn't even get one wonder how that went down!
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Old 08-16-2019, 02:37 PM
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Appartments above the Royal Mews? I believe Princess Madeleine of Sweden had one. But I have no idea if the Royal Mews in The Hague houses studios and appartments. It is big enough, I must say:

https://haagspraak.files.wordpress.c...56a6686akl.jpg
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https://www.koninklijkhuis.nl/binari...ke-stallen.jpg

Somehow I can not imagine the Princess living there. It must be her sister's Beatrix' pied-à-terre at 66.
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Old 08-16-2019, 02:42 PM
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I believe he did not treat Christina very well. That the family kept inviting the late duke of Parma to family events but banned Jorge Guillermo completely says enough. He was said to be unkind and with bad manners and with belittling remarks towards his wife, apparently witnissed by members of the royal family.

When Christina met Jorge he lived together with a man, Ned O'Gorman. He had studied Art History and worked at a kindergarten for socially underpriviliged children in Harlem, New York. After the marriage Prince Bernhard supposedly arranged a more respectable job for him at KLM and later at Golden Tullip Hotels. The latter let him leave the company with a small compensation. In the last years of his marriage he mainly focussed on buying art and old wine. He also wrote a few coffee tables books. one of them about Cuba, which experts claimed had little to do with the reality on the island. The art work was all auctioned off after the divorce.

After the divorce he studied History of Art and Theology at Leuven University in Belgium. He befriended a priest with the last name of Dobson. In 2005 it was claimed in the gossip press that they were more than just friends. Later he moved to London -where his daughter Juliana lived with him- and in 2005 to a small castle in Condome, France. From his divorce he did not gain much money as the couple was married with a prenuptial agreement.

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Didn't princess Christina have an appartment above the royal stables of Noordeinde in The Hague?
I heard the same thing. In fact, I know someone who was a journalist who interviewed Jorge and Cristina when they lived in New York City in a posh building near the United Nations. There is a park in the area and she met them for an interview. She said that he treated Cristina horribly even in front of her and her photographer which is shocking because you would think that someone with a bit of discretion would try to reign in their behavior in front of the press, not Jorge Guillermo. My friend the journalist told me that he would walk on ahead, callously leaving her behind [a nearly blind woman] without even the slightest care that she might trip as she tried to catch up and that he would [and this is shocking!] refer to her as "that blind woman!" You know what it is to call your wife, the mother of your children, "that blind woman?"

Also, I heard that he was so arrogant that people at work would call him "the queen" which as you know is a double entendre referring, also, to his alleged sexuality.
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Old 08-16-2019, 03:04 PM
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Ned O'Gorman was an American poet and editor of Catholic magazine,he died some years back.

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When Christina met Jorge he lived together with a man, Ned O'Gorman. He had studied Art History and worked at a kindergarten for socially underpriviliged children in Harlem, New York. After the marriage Prince Bernhard supposedly arranged a more respectable job for him at KLM and later at Golden Tullip Hotels. The latter let him leave the company with a small compensation. In the last years of his marriage he mainly focussed on buying art and old wine. He also wrote a few coffee tables books. one of them about Cuba, which experts claimed had little to do with the reality on the island. The art work was all auctioned off after the divorce.

After the divorce he studied History of Art and Theology at Leuven University in Belgium. He befriended a priest with the last name of Dobson. In 2005 it was claimed in the gossip press that they were more than just friends. Later he moved to London -where his daughter Juliana lived with him- and in 2005 to a small castle in Condome, France. From his divorce he did not gain much money as the couple was married with a prenuptial agreement.
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Let us summarise: Christina was head over heels on Jorge. And Jorge was head over heels on Christina's millions. Thanks to mama-in-law state-less Jorge got a very well-paid position at KLM Royal (!) Dutch Airlines and at Golden Tulip Hotels (owned by KLM).

The villa De Eikenhorst at the Royal Domain De Horsten, where the King lived until two months ago, was originally build by Princess Christina and Jorge, in the 1980's. It was stacked with antique and artworks. The same for their Central Park Appartment in New York City. It must have cost a fortune and Jorge was penniless.

After the divorce the villa stood empty for a couple of years until the Prince of Orange got the idea to live there with his newly-married spouse Máxima. A complete overhaul erased the interiors of Princess Christina and Jorge. But let us not condemn Jorge: his father-in-law was exactly the same. Juliana loved Bernhard to bits. Bernhard loved Juliana's millions.

To get an idea: one of the salons in the brand-new build villa De Eikenhorst (looking old) , when Christina and Jorge lived there: http://www.paleizen.nl/Paleizenbesta...0Christina.jpg
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I wonder if we'll see Jorge Guillermo at the funeral?
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I wonder if we'll see Jorge Guillermo at the funeral?
We have not seen him at any event in the royal family, since the divorce. Unlike his former brother-in-law, the late Duke of Parma, he seems disappeared. I think Princess Christina (or Princess Juliana) paid a huge sum to him, under strict condition that he stays away from the royal family.

It is the same with Alicia Hala de Bielefelde and with Alexia Lejeune Grinda: millions from their father Prince Bernhard but zero contact with their four royal half-sisters. The Orange-Nassaus are masters in enclosing themselves when needed. I think that is in their DNA since mediaeval times, by means of survival.
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I wonder if we'll see Jorge Guillermo at the funeral?
I wonder too? It's a difficult call. If he doesn't go it will prove in the eyes of many that he is callous and unfeeling not to go to the funeral of a woman who was once his wife, the mother of his children, and loved him dearly and if he goes I'm sure that he will not be welcomed and will be looked on by many [especially his former sister-in-laws] as a man who made their youngest sister suffer so much. How can he even approach Beatrix and the other sisters to give his condolences? If he does, I'm sure that they will receive him frostily.
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Imo i would be very surprised if we *see* anything concerning the funeral, the Dutch RF are very good at keeping the dutch media out of their way, and it is a private affair after all.

If i would have to guess, i'd say that Jorge Guillermo would not be welcome at the funeral, he can support their children and grandchildren in private, away from the RF i'm sure..

I don't think we ever got to see the grandchildren (and spouses) of Bernardo, Nicolas and Juliana, because they are private citizens too, and i don't think that will change now

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Imo i would be very surprised if we *see* anything concerning the funeral, the Dutch RF are very good at keeping the dutch media out of their way, and it is a private affair after all.

If i would have to guess, i'd say that Jorge Guillermo would not be welcome at the funeral, he can support their children and grandchildren in private, away from the RF i'm sure..

I don't think we ever got to see the grandchildren (and spouses) of Bernardo, Nicolas and Juliana, because they are private citizens too, and i don't think that will change now

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I agree. Bernardo, Nicolàs and Juliana Guillermo are very, very private persons. In no way comparable with "look at me, look at me!" figures like Tessy, Kitty or Jazmin.

According to the magazine Vorsten, Princess Christina lived in Italy. She had a spacious pied-à-terre (high ceilings, stunning interiors) in The Hague, which was the étage with the dome and tower above the main entrance to the Royal Mews in the palace park. So there are appartments and studios at the Royal Mews indeed. See picture: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...ke_stallen.jpg
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I don't see why her ex-husband needs to attend, they divorced because he was so mean to her so I would like to think even her children wouldn't need his support for the funeral service and will instead, if needed, seek support in their mother's family.
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