Crash: 7 Victims & Perpetrator Dead, 10 Wounded at Queen's Day 2009 - Page 15

Maura724 · #**281** 05-01-2009, 11:57 AM

I agree that we shouldn't include the driver in the death toll - I always find it annoying when news sites do that, as though the people responsible are equally victims in the tragedy. However, I did hear that one of the dead was a pregnant woman. I don't know if that's accurate, but if it is, I think we should include the baby in our count and make the number seven because of him or her.

My sympathies to the Dutch people, the injured, the families of the victims, the witnesses, and the Oranje family.

ashelen · #**282** 05-01-2009, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Elsa M.

September 11th 2001 - terrorist attacks upon the World Trade Center.

thank you!
i wonder how the royal family will go on now with their security, i guess it would be more extrict, i am so glad the kids weren't there! i still in shock!

Pííet · #**283** 05-01-2009, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Pííet

On-line condolence book: E-Forum Gemeente Apeldoorn: Condoleanceregister gemeente

And an another one: Condoleance.nl - Slachtoffers Koninginnedag Apeldoorn

soomi · #**284** 05-01-2009, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Pííet

On-line condolence book: E-Forum Gemeente Apeldoorn: Condoleanceregister gemeente

There's also:
Condoleance.nl - Slachtoffers Koninginnedag Apeldoorn and Condoleanceregister.com

lucien · #**285** 05-01-2009, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Maura724

I agree that we shouldn't include the driver in the death toll - I always find it annoying when news sites do that, as though the people responsible are equally victims in the tragedy. However, I did hear that one of the dead was a pregnant woman. I don't know if that's accurate, but if it is, I think we should include the baby in our count and make the number seven because of him or her.

My sympathies to the Dutch people, the injured, the families of the victims, the witnesses, and the Oranje family.

Yes,sadly that is true,a pregnant woman was killed,gutwrenching.

The Watcher · #**286** 05-01-2009, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by ashelen

why from 2001?

After 11 september 2001 security became a more important issue, also in The Netherlands. And of course even more after Pim Fortuyn and Theo van Gogh were murdered.

Empress · #**287** 05-01-2009, 12:11 PM

Title has been amended.

Turkish Delight · #**288** 05-01-2009, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by lucien

Yes,sadly that is true,a pregnant woman was killed,gutwrenching.

A pregnant woman was killed? Ohh, it's very sad to hear that!

susan alicia · #**289** 05-01-2009, 12:24 PM

The Dutch media says 7 deaths and leaves moral judgement aside

Empress · #**290** 05-01-2009, 12:32 PM

We have left moral judgement aside by correctly identifying the number of deaths saying 6 Victims & Perpetrator. Unfortunately we are limited in the number of characters we may use in the title, so I can not use the dutch "zes slachtofers, waaronder ook die verdacht/verdader" translated to english, as it would be too long.

gardenia8 · #**291** 05-01-2009, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by carlota

i can't stop thinking that if the needle wouldn't have been there, the car would have probably hit the bus of the royals. i'm not saying that the people who were killed were less important or anything but what a drama would it have been if the queen or any of the members of the family died.

He was heading straight towards the royal bus but then he lost control of his car and it veered left and hit the Needle. If the Needle had not been there all the bystanders on the other side would have been killed or seriously hurt. The royal bus was not behind the Needle at the time. It is true that the Needle statue saved many lives.

maria-olivia · #**292** 05-01-2009, 01:04 PM

And again I want to say that it was dangerous to have The Queen, The Crown Prince , Princes Constantin , Friso and all the Van Vollenhoven to-gether in an open bus.
As well written by Gardenia , if he did not lost the controle of his car he was heading towards the royal bus. Terrible.. and the members of the RF saw that too. Lucky were all their children safe at home.

lucien · #**293** 05-01-2009, 01:07 PM

I post it again,Apeldoorn today,a city in grief,people laying flowers at the scene,full churches where people burn candles,moving:

ANP Beeldbank

There also was a discussion on tv on showing graphic scenes due to several newspapers opening with such pics this morning.A very un-dutch thing to do,to show all the graphic bits.Many felt it was what we had on our lenses anyway as all was dished out like that to us yesterday morning,live.

Lady Marmalade · #**294** 05-01-2009, 01:10 PM

I agree.. I know HM and the rest of the Royal Family are well-known for their love of connecting personally to the Dutch people...but to have them all in one bus, meant that Princess Amalia would have been Queen, probably with Princess Maigrit ruling as Regent..or whomever is the next eldest sister...of course, I am not sure if all three sons were on board the bus.

But the same could be said for the British Royal Family sitting on the dais in front of the Victoria Memorial, in open, for HM's Jubilee Celebrations....too easy a target..

How far does one go now with security? I am sure they are all mulling over that one..

My condolences to The Netherlands and the Dutch people...

Empress · #**295** 05-01-2009, 01:14 PM

I don't think that the RVD or the Dutch Royal family will let this dictate their future actions. They are, if nothing else, sensible people, who know that the only way to prevent this entirely is to shut themselves up in their homes, and never come out. There is no chance of that happening.

There was simply no way that this could have been prevented, and they are smart enough to know that and realize that this is not an every day occurance. Sure they will be as careful as possible, but I do not see them making wholesale changes to the way that they do things, as evidenced by the fact that they will go on with the activities for herdenkingsdag and arbeidsdag on May 4 and May 5.

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On another note, for the Dutch to be out en masse in the Churches is certainly something to remark on, as they are not known as being overly religious, except perhpas in the south, where Catholicism still plays a significant role.

TLLK · #**296** 05-01-2009, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Lady Marmalade

I agree.. I know HM and the rest of the Royal Family are well-known for their love of connecting personally to the Dutch people...but to have them all in one bus, meant that Princess Amalia would have been Queen, probably with Princess Maigrit ruling as Regent..or whomever is the next eldest sister...of course, I am not sure if all three sons were on board the bus.

But the same could be said for the British Royal Family sitting on the dais in front of the Victoria Memorial, in open, for HM's Jubilee Celebrations....too easy a target..

How far does one go now with security? I am sure they are all mulling over that one..

My condolences to The Netherlands and the Dutch people...

It is shocking to think that a kindergartener could have been Queen in a the space of a few minutes if the worst had happened. According to the posters at the BRMB, the only adult member of the Royal House not present on the bus was Prince Bernhard who is recovering from his recent surgery. I guess that would have left him as Regent and more than a dozen children would have been orphaned.

maria-olivia · #**297** 05-01-2009, 01:19 PM

I think for sure that the 3 Princes , 3 van Vollenhoven and 1 Bourbon-Parme were in the bus..Princess Magriet too. The Regent should have been Bernard , the only Van Vollenhoven who was not there because he was ill..
God save the Queen and the Royal Family of the Nederlands we all love !

Empress · #**298** 05-01-2009, 01:19 PM

In all seriousness, I doubt that the entire royal family would have been killed had the bus actually been hit. They were several feet higher than the car, and while I am sure that there would have been injuries, I think that it is safe to say that most if not all would have survived. Let's try not to think the worst.

lucien · #**299** 05-01-2009, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by maria-olivia

I think for sure that the 3 Princes , 3 van Vollenhoven and 1 Bourbon-Parme were in the bus..Princess Magriet too. The Regent should have been Bernard , the only Van Vollenhoven who was not there because he was ill..
God save the Queen and the Royal Family of the Nederlands we all love !

There was no de Borbon de Parma in the bus.HM,the three sons of HM and their spouses,three sons of HRH Princess Margriet and their spouses + Princess Annette,Princess Margriet and Pieter,they were present and no more then these.

lucien · #**300** 05-01-2009, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Empress

In all seriousness, I doubt that the entire royal family would have been killed had the bus actually been hit. They were several feet higher than the car, and while I am sure that there would have been injuries, I think that it is safe to say that most if not all would have survived. Let's try not to think the worst.

True.We are lucky the guy didn't have any explosives on board.Then it would have been a different matter,now,nope.They would have been just as shocked as they were yesterday and today,nothing more.The giant Suzuki isn't that much of a giant compared to that bus.