The Duke & Duchess of Sussex and Family, News and Events 4: April-June 2021


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It's difficult to ignore people making such vile comments about the family of our sovereign, who has been our Queen for almost 70 years. You can say that people don't have to read hate speech posted online, but that doesn't mean that it's not upsetting. At a basic level, you can tell a little kid to ignore name-calling in the playground. It's still horrible. If it's just Harry droning on about air travel damaging the environment, when he takes private planes, or telling people to vote, when he's never voted in his life, OK, you can ignore that if it doesn't interest you. But I find it difficult to ignore the spite and vitriol he's hurling at his family.
 
Itat if it doesn't interest you. But I find it difficult to ignore the spite and vitriol he's hurling at his family.

And its hard to beleive that he cares for his family when he does this.....
 
It's difficult to ignore people making such vile comments about the family of our sovereign, who has been our Queen for almost 70 years. You can say that people don't have to read hate speech posted online, but that doesn't mean that it's not upsetting. At a basic level, you can tell a little kid to ignore name-calling in the playground. It's still horrible. If it's just Harry droning on about air travel damaging the environment, when he takes private planes, or telling people to vote, when he's never voted in his life, OK, you can ignore that if it doesn't interest you. But I find it difficult to ignore the spite and vitriol he's hurling at his family.

Exactly. Why is it contingent upon those of us who find it painful to read such horrible, cruel comments about the BRF to go out of our way to avoid the comments ...? Probably because then we wouldn’t know enough to criticize Harry and Meghan, lol... sorry, no, it doesn’t work that way. Harry has every right to speak his mind, but we have the right to criticize him, especially if he’s twisting the truth

And its hard to beleive that he cares for his family when he does this.....

Down deep he probably does, but these are not the words of someone who cares...Harry is being thoughtless, callous and cruel...He’s also a publicity hound. If his goal was continued therapy to truly deal with his grief, why is he exposing himself to the world? He already expounded on the benefits of therapy - in the Guardian article, also many other times. I don’t think baring his soul is going to convince anyone who wasn’t already convinced by his previous comments.

I also have to wonder why H seemed much happier a few years ago - referencing the Newsweek article - than now of therapy had helped. I think it did help - and I believe much of what he’s doing now is an act
 
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Exactly. Why is it contingent upon those of us who find it painful to read such horrible, cruel comments about the BRF to go out of our way to avoid the comments ...? Probably because then we wouldn’t know enough to criticize Harry and Meghan, lol... sorry, no, it doesn’t work that way. Harry has every right to speak his mind, but we have the right to criticize him, especially if he’s twisting the truth
I don't mind going out of my way to avoid the comments... but then, I'll expect the same from Harry and Meghan when it comes to the comments about them. The moment you wash your dirty linen in public, you run the risk of people commenting on the colour.
 
I have little to add to what others have said but if someone comes to live in my country and uses our liberties to criticize Freedom of Speech (I assume for those he doesn't like), I have a right to criticize him. For me, Freedom of Speech is not only one of our guaranteed constitutional liberties, but it is one of my deeply held values. Anyone who doesn't want to read criticism of Harry can simply not to read my post.
 
Exactly. Why is it contingent upon those of us who find it painful to read such horrible, cruel comments about the BRF to go out of our way to avoid the comments ...? Probably because then we wouldn’t know enough to criticize Harry and Meghan, lol... sorry, no, it doesn’t work that way. Harry has every right to speak his mind, but we have the right to criticize him, especially if he’s twisting the truth

Harry is actively inviting us to listen to his long list of complaints and woes and how people have "done him wrong" but his mistake is expecting intelligent minds to just accept that whatever he states is gospel truth. He cannot and will not take any responsibility for his own words and actions at this time and has a boatload of busses at the ready to send out to run over anyone he's perceived to be his "problem". It would be a huge imposition for anyone to form an opinion on Harry's mental health if he was doing all this privately and things were "leaked" but it's not that way. His purpose is to reach as many people he can to denigrate, demean and seek vengeance and retaliation for harm he perceives that has been done to him.

The clue that there is seriously something wrong with how Harry thinks is how many inconsistencies and mistruths and how far off his "truths" are from reality that what a lot of the public recognizes to be questionable makes me think that the time has to come where Harry does realize his mistakes.

Good mental health is taking inventory of oneself with guidance to discover just what was wrong within oneself and how to change and adapt one's way of thinking and acting and finding the humility to be honest with one's own self and others. Harry hasn't come near that point yet from anything I've seen from Harry, himself. The freedom Harry is pursuing is the freedom from his own demons that haunt him. I hope he finds it.
 
I don't mind going out of my way to avoid the comments... but then, I'll expect the same from Harry and Meghan when it comes to the comments about them. The moment you wash your dirty linen in public, you run the risk of people commenting on the colour.

The only way I could avoid comments is if I don’t follow various Royal reporter Twitter accounts, which I don’t want to do. I suppose if I saw the articles, I wouldn’t have to read them, but I care about the BRF, so that’s not an option. Your point is well taken, though - I agree. H and M are hypocritical - they can’t handle people criticizing them, but they don’t mind taking attacking his family, especially his father. What, aren’t regular people allowed to speak the “truth”?

Harry is actively inviting us to listen to his long list of complaints and woes and how people have "done him wrong" but his mistake is expecting intelligent minds to just accept that whatever he states is gospel truth. He cannot and will not take any responsibility for his own words and actions at this time and has a boatload of busses at the ready to send out to run over anyone he's perceived to be his "problem". It would be a huge imposition for anyone to form an opinion on Harry's mental health if he was doing all this privately and things were "leaked" but it's not that way. His purpose is to reach as many people he can to denigrate, demean and seek vengeance and retaliation for harm he perceives that has been done to him.

The clue that there is seriously something wrong with how Harry thinks is how many inconsistencies and mistruths and how far off his "truths" are from reality that what a lot of the public recognizes to be questionable makes me think that the time has to come where Harry does realize his mistakes.

Good mental health is taking inventory of oneself with guidance to discover just what was wrong within oneself and how to change and adapt one's way of thinking and acting and finding the humility to be honest with one's own self and others. Harry hasn't come near that point yet from anything I've seen from Harry, himself. The freedom Harry is pursuing is the freedom from his own demons that haunt him. I hope he finds it.

That’s right - Harry had left himself open to criticism (he doesn’t like that, though - only likes praise) by revealing all. I’ve said it before, but there is evidence of Dad taking him on bike rides, of his speaking affectionately about his pa...lots of evidence. If anything doesn’t make sense, it’s his stating things that can be disproved, it’s his accusing his father of shrugging of the suffering of his sons...
 
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The only way I could avoid comments is if I don’t follow various Royal reporter Twitter accounts, which I don’t want to do. I suppose if I saw the articles, I wouldn’t have to read them, but I care about the BRF, so that’s not an option. Your point is well taken, though - I agree. H and M are hypocritical - they can’t handle people criticizing them, but they don’t mind taking attacking his family, especially his father. What, aren’t regular people allowed to speak the “truth”?
I guess it depends. If they speak "the right truth", so to say, they are more than welcome. They even get phone calls and honourable mentioning in the books Harry and Meghan's mouthpieces write. If not, they get branded as the meanies who caused Harry to break out in cold sweat as he read through the comment section of various outlets.
 
The only way I could avoid comments is if I don’t follow various Royal reporter Twitter accounts, which I don’t want to do. I suppose if I saw the articles, I wouldn’t have to read them, but I care about the BRF, so that’s not an option. Your point is well taken, though - I agree. H and M are hypocritical - they can’t handle people criticizing them, but they don’t mind taking attacking his family, especially his father. What, aren’t regular people allowed to speak the “truth”?

The only way I could actually avoid reading anything to do with Harry and Meghan is to permanently log off of The Royal Forums and never be tempted into a Sussex thread again. I rarely pay much attention to the couple elsewhere if I can help it.

If you can believe that I'd ever do that, I've got a boatload of very special and unique pet rocks for sale. True vintage! Direct from my yard on a mountain in a forest that was virgin land up until the 1970s. :D
 
There has been a lot of talk about Harry wanting his own “court” at Windsor. I’m not sure that I understand precisely what that means. Could some of you please explain? Thanks!:flowers:
 
There has been a lot of talk about Harry wanting his own “court” at Windsor. I’m not sure that I understand precisely what that means. Could some of you please explain? Thanks!:flowers:

Basically one's own court is having their own office and staff that are answerable only to them. When the Royal Foundation of the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge was split, William and Kate maintained that Royal Foundation and eventually, as Duke of Cornwall and Cambridge, William would be responsible for everything to do with his "court" much like Charles is right now with covering the expenses of his own immediate family. Harry's court was moved to Buckingham Palace and then was answerable to the Queen as her children's office and staff do.

This is basically what I see as the soft transition. When Charles becomes King, he would be responsible for expenditures of Harry and Meghan along with any other royal that works for the "Firm" and represents the monarch. William, then, would be responsible for himself and his wife and children as Charles was doing before the foundation split.

Harry wanted his own court at Windsor that gave him autonomy over his office, staff and expenditures and what they would and wouldn't do. In short, he wanted to be separate from the "Firm". This is something where it really does seem logical that his request was denied.

Any place I'm wrong here, I'm sure I'll be corrected that those more in the know of things. ?
 
Basically one's own court is having their own office and staff that are answerable only to them. When the Royal Foundation of the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge was split, William and Kate maintained that Royal Foundation and eventually, as Duke of Cornwall and Cambridge, William would be responsible for everything to do with his "court" much like Charles is right now with covering the expenses of his own immediate family. Harry's court was moved to Buckingham Palace and then was answerable to the Queen as her children's office and staff do.

This is basically what I see as the soft transition. When Charles becomes King, he would be responsible for expenditures of Harry and Meghan along with any other royal that works for the "Firm" and represents the monarch. William, then, would be responsible for himself and his wife and children as Charles was doing before the foundation split.

Harry wanted his own court at Windsor that gave him autonomy over his office, staff and expenditures and what they would and wouldn't do. In short, he wanted to be separate from the "Firm". This is something where it really does seem logical that his request was denied.

Any place I'm wrong here, I'm sure I'll be corrected that those more in the know of things. ?
Thanks, Osipi, this is so helpful! Essentially he wanted the same power and privileges that his brother and father have without their roles and responsibilities. And he didn’t see/accept that his uncles and aunt didn’t get this privilege either.
Diana didn’t do Harry any favors by spoiling him. I’m sure it would have been different had she lived - or I hope it would have been.

I think that the Cambridges are smart enough to see that they will have to make sure that Charlotte and Louis understand the difference between family and “firm” in a way that Harry does not or that he and Meghan didn’t want to accept.

If you reread the Sussex Royal page where they state “what they are going to do,” it is obvious that they thought that since they were superstars they could do whatever they wanted. What a miscalculation!
 
eventually, as Duke of Cornwall and Cambridge, William would be responsible [...]

Wouldn't George become Duke of Cambridge upon William becoming Crown Prince and Duke of Cornwall? Or is that not how this works?
 
I agree on a lot of you say, but if someone detests royal life that much, why then being angry about not having ones own court?
I know lots of people claim Harry is a fool, but being born into Royalty he will know that the monarch has a "court" (the Queen Mother, who was also a crowned Queen of England, had her own court, too), but not a second born "spare", slipping down the line of succession with every child his older sibling has.
I still have trouble in understanding a couple so opposed to the Prince´s former life, insisting on wedding tiaras, titles and courts....!


It is possible that he wanted a separate office staff because he and Meghan weren't getting along with the people they were working with. Perhaps they wanted total control. It is also possible that Meghan was offended by someone on staff and she thought that the only workable solution was to be in charge. If true, a separate staff may not have worked very well anyway, because we have seen how H and M operate. Not exactly respectful, collaborative team players.
 
It's difficult to ignore people making such vile comments about the family of our sovereign, who has been our Queen for almost 70 years. You can say that people don't have to read hate speech posted online, but that doesn't mean that it's not upsetting. At a basic level, you can tell a little kid to ignore name-calling in the playground. It's still horrible. If it's just Harry droning on about air travel damaging the environment, when he takes private planes, or telling people to vote, when he's never voted in his life, OK, you can ignore that if it doesn't interest you. But I find it difficult to ignore the spite and vitriol he's hurling at his family.

You have valid points in how hard it is to ignore it. That is kind of what Meghan said about the contact attacks on her, where people said she just needed to ignore it or suck it up.

My point was that therapy seemed to be helping him, which he freely admitted, and there’s no anger at his family or Institution. IMO, he’s putting on more of an act now, which I explained earlier. He can’t possibly think we’re stupid enough to take him at face value when we have evidence of not only his father taking him bike riding, but also of H speaking lovingly about his pa. So, I think he’s been encouraged in his insecurities to feel as if he’s not loved or valued enough, hence his anger, hence his choosing to attack Charles and the family in public. It’s a public temper tantrum brought on by insecurities encouraged by Meghan . It’s a crazy mix ...no one easy answer

Not that I necessarily think it is true but people say he is putting on a show now. How do you know he wasn't putting on shows then? Most of the stuff we saw was literally in front of the media. It was game face time. Not like these people don't play the media game and honestly it is a major part of being a royal. Fake it until you make it. And we know their PR office stays busy.
 
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Wouldn't George become Duke of Cambridge upon William becoming Crown Prince and Duke of Cornwall? Or is that not how this works?

George will only be Duke when he gets married. William and Harry only received their duchies when they got married, so the same must happen with William's children.
 
Wouldn't George become Duke of Cambridge upon William becoming Crown Prince and Duke of Cornwall? Or is that not how this works?

George will not inherit any titles of his very own from his father until his father dies. The Duchy of Cornwall passes only to the eldest son of the monarch. When William becomes the Duke of Cornwall, he just adds the Duke of Cornwall to his already existing ducal titles. When Charles dies, the Duke of Cornwall title will be George's because he's the eldest son of the monarch. The Duke of Cambridge title will revert to the crown upon William's accession to the throne just as all of Charles titles, except The Duke of Cornwall and it's secondary titles will.

This is why Edward has to wait until Charles becomes king to be created The Duke of Edinburgh. By law and the remainder of that title, it passes to Philip's eldest son.
 
Wouldn't George become Duke of Cambridge upon William becoming Crown Prince and Duke of Cornwall? Or is that not how this works?

No, George will only inherit his father's titles if William dies before Charles and never becomes king. Apart from the Dukedom of Cornwall (and, I assume, Rothesay, though I haven't researched that one) titles a British monarch-in-waiting holds merge with the crown once they become king and are not passed down the line.
 
You have valid points in how hard it is to ignore it. That is kind of what Meghan said about the contact attacks on her, where people said she just needed to ignore it or suck it up.

This is something all celebrities have to deal with, and I think it’s good advice...for Meghan or anyone else. You can’t win these battles, and if you let if get to you, it will eat you up. A perfect example of this is the former quarterback of my favorite football team, the Chicago Bears (I’ll call him Smith). My team gave up many draft picks (the lifeblood of any organization) to move up in the draft so they could choose Smith #3 pick. In so doing, they passed on two other quarterbacks, Jones and Johnson. Smith was always going to be a project as he was raw, but it turned out he was not just raw, but ultimately so far...utterly mediocre to bad. Jones and Johnson turned out to be great. Smith was mocked on Twitter constantly - not just by his own fans, but fans of other teams. He was mocked by the NFL media, even...and I’m telling you, some of the comments were really cruel. Smith decided at some point to quit Twitter and SM during the season, so he wouldn’t see these awful things, and I’m sure it made it easier for him.

Not that I necessarily think it is true but people say he is putting on a show now. How do you know he wasn't putting on shows then? Most of the stuff we saw was literally in front of the media. It was game face time. Not like these people don't play the media game and honestly it is a major part of being a royal. Fake it until you make it. And we know their PR office stays busy.

You’re right...but if I think he could have been doing that, then I have to think he was possibly pretending to love his father, and I’ll never go there, no matter what H says now.
 
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I'm not even disagreeing with you. I am sure she for the most part did ignore it but things at times can become hard to ignore. Especially when a lot of of the time it was their own people bringing it to her because it dealt with her estranged family being all over the media.

My guess is them not being on social media now and being away from the press (8 hours time difference from the UK most work wonders) helps a great deal in not having to deal with that UK media. The US press can be nasty but really the way they go about it is night and day.

People should ignore it but I am also realistic that we are still human.
 
I feel Doria is the baby minder. That or she’s always over checking on Archie. Which is why I find it odd that Harry said something about Archie learning to say grandma via the photo of Diana in his nursery.

This was one of the most telling things Harry said during the show. Even with Thomas Markle playing no role in the family's life, Archie has a living grandmother, grandfather, step-grandmother, great-grandmother, and when he learned to speak his first words, great-grandfather, as well as an aunt and uncle. That the presence of the relative who is not able to be with him as he grows up has been made more of a presence in his life is both painfully tragic and ultimately reflective of where Harry has shown himself to be in his own journey.
 
Thanks to everyone who explained about Cornwall and Cambridge!

I think the advice for Harry and Meghan to "suck it up" would have been different had it been other royals, rather than random people on Twitter, publicly attacking them. It would surely have affected the public's opinion of those doing the attacking, and not in a good way.

As ponder it more, I think Harry's revelations about years of substance abuse make it less likely that the royal family and/or courtiers were planting negative stories, as he and Meghan have repeatedly suggested. If Harry's telling the truth about his own issues, his family and its staff must have gone to great lengths to protect him from those issues becoming public knowledge. If those same people did an about-face and decided they wanted to destroy him and/or Meghan, they'd have had plenty of ammunition, and they didn't use it. I just can't believe someone would have maliciously planted a story about a fight over a child's tights, while intentionally sitting on stories about Harry doing far worse things (as he must have) while abusing various substances. It doesn't make any sense.
 
As ponder it more, I think Harry's revelations about years of substance abuse make it less likely that the royal family and/or courtiers were planting negative stories, as he and Meghan have repeatedly suggested. If Harry's telling the truth about his own issues, his family and its staff must have gone to great lengths to protect him from those issues becoming public knowledge. If those same people did an about-face and decided they wanted to destroy him and/or Meghan, they'd have had plenty of ammunition, and they didn't use it. I just can't believe someone would have maliciously planted a story about a fight over a child's tights, while intentionally sitting on stories about Harry doing far worse things (as he must have) while abusing various substances. It doesn't make any sense.

Even now, most of the negative opinions of Harry are caused by words coming out of his own mouth and not press stories or leaks. The BRF sources are quiet except to say how upset Charles and HM are.

I couldn't believe my ears when I heard him openly talk about hating meeting people and hating the tours abroad he did and thus by association in his own words hating humanitarianism and veterans the two things supposedly close to his heart. He did this both on Dax Shephard and Oprah 2.0 so it wasn't a momentary mistake.

Same with things like the Bank of Dad and his drug use. That wasn't coming from the media running stories, that's directly on him and it will be his own fault if a few weeks from now the Sun run a story adding in all the bits they've held back in years past about his wild behaviour.

The press always knew, it's a dead giveaway when they start saying "he was in a place where lots of drug taking was happening but there's no suggestion he partook personally." BP/KP protected him from that and many other stories.

Palace staff (often lower down the totem pole) may have leaked things like the crying thing or tiaragate but a lot of major stuff never made it though except by his own mouth and rumours like the tea being thrown in Admiralty House were online gossip only.

"Cheeky Chappie Harry" I thought was partly a media creation but he did kind-of really exist as the raw material for Edward Lane Fox to work with but Harry is now determined to destroy that image one and for all and say he never existed and assuming that's correct, KP did a superb job in crafting that for him and playing down and encouraging the public to ignore the less pleasant parts. To his advantage in becoming the most popular royal - which he now wants to retain whilst being a completely different person.
 
The book also gave us tiaragate.

Right, thanks for reminding me FF actually confirmed that many of the petty, negative rumours really did happen (even announcing Archie at the wedding as well), except they happened in a way where the Sussexes were completely innocent and everyone else was at fault. ;)

I'll say it again then, almost all the most negative stories came directly from them or were confirmed by their proxy. Meghan was even warned that the NY baby shower wouldn't be perceived well by the public and the palace did defend that one.
 
This was one of the most telling things Harry said during the show. Even with Thomas Markle playing no role in the family's life, Archie has a living grandmother, grandfather, step-grandmother, great-grandmother, and when he learned to speak his first words, great-grandfather, as well as an aunt and uncle. That the presence of the relative who is not able to be with him as he grows up has been made more of a presence in his life is both painfully tragic and ultimately reflective of where Harry has shown himself to be in his own journey.

It's incredibly sad. Charles never knew his paternal grandfather, and he barely knew George VI; he regrets that to this day. I can't imagine how painful it is for him, for HM, to never see Archie.....time is going to run out, eventually. The problem is, Harry says he wants to break the cycle of what he sees as essentially abuse, so there's no reason for him to ever want Archie and his soon to be born sister to know his grandfather/great-grandmother.
 
There has been a lot of talk about Harry wanting his own “court” at Windsor. I’m not sure that I understand precisely what that means. Could some of you please explain? Thanks!:flowers:

Others will probably be able to explain it than I can but, essentially, there is one court in Buckingham Palace. All royals, other than Charles and William, work with the Buckingham Palace media center. However, Charles and William, as the direct heirs, have their own offices (Clarence House and Kensington Palace) that coordinate and cooperate with Buckingham Palace but have a lot more autonomy. That is why sometimes articles refer to statements out of Buckingham Palace, which we know come from the Queen's office, even if it is on behalf of another royal. Other articles have language like "a statement from Clarence House" (Charles) or Kensington Palace (William).

When William established his own office, he included Harry. Even though office was really William's, William treated Harry as an equal partner. Not surprisingly, Harry became used to having semi-independent media operation and staff so it was a shock to him and Meghan that he didn't get his own semi-independent office when he split with William. Instead, Harry and Meghan were brought under the umbrella of Buckingham Palace. And the rest is history.
 
Others will probably be able to explain it than I can but, essentially, there is one court in Buckingham Palace. All royals, other than Charles and William, work with the Buckingham Palace media center. However, Charles and William, as the direct heirs, have their own offices (Clarence House and Kensington Palace) that coordinate and cooperate with Buckingham Palace but have a lot more autonomy. That is why sometimes articles refer to statements out of Buckingham Palace, which we know come from the Queen's office, even if it is on behalf of another royal. Other articles have language like "a statement from Clarence House" (Charles) or Kensington Palace (William).

When William established his own office, he included Harry. Even though office was really William's, William treated Harry as an equal partner. Not surprisingly, Harry became used to having semi-independent media operation and staff so it was a shock to him and Meghan that he didn't get his own semi-independent office when he split with William. Instead, Harry and Meghan were brought under the umbrella of Buckingham Palace. And the rest is history.
Thanks so much to you and others for the great explanations! I wonder if it was William’s idea to include Harry as an equal partner. If so, perhaps that was a mistake in hindsight.
If it had been with BP before Meghan came along, perhaps this wouldn’t have been a big deal as it would have already been established.

So was it Harry’s idea to split from William and move away from the Royal Foundation and KP or did that come from someone else?
 
Thanks so much to you and others for the great explanations! I wonder if it was William’s idea to include Harry as an equal partner. If so, perhaps that was a mistake in hindsight.
If it had been with BP before Meghan came along, perhaps this wouldn’t have been a big deal as it would have already been established.

So was it Harry’s idea to split from William and move away from the Royal Foundation and KP or did that come from someone else?

We have to remember too that Charles was the one funding William and Harry's office and staff at KP and still does for William. This falls to Charles because of his Duchy of Cornwall. Originally named The Foundation of Prince William and Prince Harry, the foundation was set up in September 2009 to enable Prince William and his brother, Prince Harry to take forward their charitable ambitions. This was two years before William married Catherine and neither man was a full time working royal. It seemed to run smoothly for all three of them until Harry married Meghan and brought her into the fold.

I can't state with absolute surety why the Royal Foundation was split and whose bright idea it was but, as I stated earlier, I believe it was a move agreed on in preparation for the transition between monarchs and under whose umbrella funding would fall and in the future, no matter how it was done, William would be financed by his Duchy of Cornwall while Harry would still depend on his father for funding.
 
The Foundation of Prince William and Prince Harry was co-founded by the brothers in September 2009, to further their interests in such things as veterans affairs and the environment.

As shown in the link underneath both brothers were involved in the setting up of the Foundation, and both put a certain amount of money from their Diana inheritance to seed it. Indeed Harry had by that time already founded Sentebale.


It wasn’t a sole William operational setup with him graciously offering a hand to Harry at all. Prince Charles agreed to finance it on an ongoing basis and in those years staff answered to both brothers.


https://writeroyalty.com/going-their-separate-ways-the-end-of-the-fab-four/
 
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