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Old 05-25-2021, 02:42 PM
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Hindsight is 20/20 but looking back, my goodness the red flags that I and so many others missed with Harry is almost mind-blowing.

True. I sure didn’t see this coming from him. My goodness.

I also thought Meghan would be fine though. So- if I didn’t see the train wreck coming with her, I guess it stands to reason I definitely would have missed it with him.

Even after it obviously didn’t work out- I never thought they’d both be so publicly vindictive and vengeful. And so stuck in that mindset. That Africa interview in the Fall of 2019 was practically nothing compared to what’s followed over 1.5 years now.
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. There was absolutely no reason Meghan had to be subjected to such nastiness from the institution and the media. No one should have to endure the vitriol and endless condemnation she suffered just for breathing. Contrary to what has been said about her, Meghan is human. In only one year as a royal, she created a clothing collection to help unemployed women, created a charity cookbook to feed displaced women, called attention to rescue animals, had 3 successful tours, and more.
I think our disagreement lies in the vague accusations. Do you examples of nastiness from the institution that Meghan endured. Perhaps you could provide more insight into the "vitriol and endless condemnation she suffered just for breathing." Disagreements are not necessarily condemnation, nastiness or vitriol.

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I view Harry and Meghan as two people who are surprised by the behavior of their fathers. The disappointment and betrayal you've expressed about them is exactly how they feel about the men they've looked to for guidance throughout their lives.
The question is why Meghan objected to her father talking about her to the media while she and Harry are doing the same thing to the royal family.

ETA: I published too quickly. Are you saying that Charles subjected Meghan to vitriol, endless condemnation and nastiness? In Finding Freedom, he was described as being almost a second father to her.
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Old 05-25-2021, 02:51 PM
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Saying "NO" when her requests or demands were too much is not being nasty.
This is actually a really good point. Having a legion of "yes men" around one does not equal support. Having a support network really means having people that will cheer on your successes but will be honest enough to tell you when you're making mistakes, putting the wrong foot forward, coming across in a manner you don't mean to, etc. Harry and Meghan seem to believe that the only way for people to be supportive or helpful is for them to blindly agree and fall in line with everything either Harry or Meghan, but especially Meghan, say. That simply isn't true. It isn't being mean or unhelpful or unsupportive or nasty to say no, to tell someone when they're making a mistake or a misstep, or advise that they consider a different course of action, or to simply let them know when they're out of line. They themselves told us that people told them no, advised them to behave differently in certain situations, advised that the baby shower would come across poorly, etc. They may not have liked what they were hearing but that doesn't mean that those people weren't trying to be helpful and supportive. Sometimes looking out for someone's best interests and trying to keep them from the ensuing bad press those actions would grab is the kindest and most helpful and supportive thing someone can do, even if the lead player doesn't like what he or she hears.
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Old 05-25-2021, 02:53 PM
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Wait, let me get this straight. Are you really laying every problematic thing they've said and done at the doorsteps of their fathers? Are you really trying to say that their perceptions of the behaviors of their fathers are responsible for the little manifesto mess they published in January 2020 and for all of the drama and hysterics and insincerity along with the complete tone-deafness and lack of self-awareness from these two? Really?
I'm still waiting for Harry to say one nasty thing about his father that has even the ring of truth to it. His father guided him as best he knew how - gave him love and freedom to be who he wanted to be. Was he perfect? What human being is? Exactly how has Charles betrayed Harry? By supporting his mother in refusing H and M their own Court? By finally saying enough was enough after H constantly requested more money? If anyone has done any betraying, it's Harry.....how can he do this to his father? How can he deliberately hurt the person who loves him most (along with his mum) in the world? Harry knows that his father is not popular - in the UK or in America (to the extent that some people care about the Royals). So he knew exactly what he was doing when he started tarring and feathering his pa in public. What a great example H is setting for Archie........

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This is actually a really good point. Having a legion of "yes men" around one does not equal support. Having a support network really means having people that will cheer on your successes but will be honest enough to tell you when you're making mistakes, putting the wrong foot forward, coming across in a manner you don't mean to, etc. Harry and Meghan seem to believe that the only way for people to be supportive or helpful is for them to blindly agree and fall in line with everything either Harry or Meghan, but especially Meghan, say. That simply isn't true. It isn't being mean or unhelpful or unsupportive or nasty to say no, to tell someone when they're making a mistake or a misstep, or advise that they consider a different course of action, or to simply let them know when they're out of line. They themselves told us that people told them no, advised them to behave differently in certain situations, advised that the baby shower would come across poorly, etc. They may not have liked what they were hearing but that doesn't mean that those people weren't trying to be helpful and supportive. Sometimes looking out for someone's best interests and trying to keep them from the ensuing bad press those actions would grab is the kindest and most helpful and supportive thing someone can do, even if the lead player doesn't like what he or she hears.
Well said. I'm sure Harry and Meghan have and will continue to see with Archie and baby girl Sussex that they have to say "NO" to them from time to time - and it's often for their own good. Sometimes HM/Charles had to say "no" because it's just not how things are done, it's just not feasible. Sometimes HM had to put her foot down and insist that her staff/Royal staff are treated with respect (ie: Harry and Meghan, you two are no better than anyone else just because you're Royal). This shouldn't be an issue with adults. When kids are growing up, parents teach them that they're not always going to get their way, and that they have to learn to deal with it. H and M have not dealt with it well at all.

"Yes" people don't have anyone's best interests at heart except their own - so they tell their "bosses" what they want to hear. "Yes" people are only as loyal as the almighty dollar/pound - and in real crises, they won't be hanging around. You know who will? Family.
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Old 05-25-2021, 03:04 PM
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The question is why Meghan objected to her father talking about her to the media while she and Harry are doing the same thing to the royal family.

Go figure. I guess it only matters when the privacy violated is theirs.

They’re just explaining their POV, helping people through sharing their experiences.... and so on. It’s not a privacy violation in those- and other- instances.

One thing these two aren’t is consistent. So, it figures how they define privacy varies situationally too. Well- they’re consistent in that nothing is their fault. That has stayed the same.

They’ll even change their own stories to heap more blame. First- Harry never told his family Meghan was suicidal. Now- the “family” (Who is that? Charles? William? HM? Just how many people failed them supposedly?) was neglectful and didn’t care.
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Old 05-25-2021, 04:04 PM
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but what else can Harry speak about, or make programmes about? I wondered why Spoitify or Netflix took them on at all... it doesn't seem like they had ideas of what sort of programmes they'd make? Royal history? IMO they dont have the qualifications.. or even the contacts to do progs like that. Charities? Not going to bring in a lot of money. So all that was left was "the innermost secrets of the RF and why they left and their mental health."
I dont know if he's happy with it.. but I find it hard to believe that he's really doing it against his will. I think that Meghan certainly has grudges enough about her time in the RF.. she's angry and when she's angry so Is H. So he does half believe that both of them were treated oh so badly.. and that he had to leave or they'd boht be suicidal. And I think that Harry does have issues with his father and perhaps with the RF as a whole (they probably told him "no" at various times) and so it is not hard for him to work himself up to a state where he is angry, lashes out at charles etc and doesn't care if what he says is true or not.
Harry's Uncle Edward had a background in plays and drama but for a time he did make a go with a film company on British history. He did not have experience in this, except the criticized It's a Royal Knockout. He did go on to produce some good documentaries which I have seen But the company did not earn enough money to last. Harry might work on documentaries related to British history like his Uncle did.
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Old 05-25-2021, 04:14 PM
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Harry's Uncle Edward had a background in plays and drama but for a time he did make a go with a film company on British history. He did not have experience in this, except the criticized It's a Royal Knockout. He did go on to produce some good documentaries which I have seen But the company did not earn enough money to last. Harry might work on documentaries related to British history like his Uncle did.
if Edward couldn't make money at it, what chance does Harry have???/
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Unless either you're David Attenborough or you've got some amazing revelation to make, documentaries in general aren't really big news. There've been some excellent documentaries presented by famous people - David Beckham did one about child poverty, a few years back - but they've been one-offs. There are some well-known TV historians, but the TV programmes are just sidelines to their main work at universities and in selling books. And Prince Michael of Kent's done some interesting programmes about the Romanovs, but, again, only one-offs.
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I'm not quite sure how to react to this "entertainment/celebrity" news, which is only slightly relating to the Sussexes, more specifically on how the couple is portrayed in America.

A spokesperson and Glu Mobile from the smartphone game app, Kim Kardashian: Hollywood has reportedly confirm that the game level featuring Prince Aston and his wife Princess Bianca has been removed. This comes after some "backlash", where a fan complained that Kim Kardashian or the game developer Glu Mobile are exploiting the Sussex's exit from Royal Family. That level containing Prince Aston and Princess Bianca parallels with Harry & Meghan's clash with the Royal Family was only released recently, before quickly taken down.

Full Disclaimer: I am not a fan of the Kardashian nor have I watched an episode of Keeping Up with the Kardashian. I certainly do not nor intended to install the app on my phone

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When fans noticed the parallels between the game and Meghan and Harry’s claims about their experience, game makers Glu Mobile confirmed they’d removed the game. ‘We heard a lot of valuable feedback around our recent Prince Aston and Princess Bianca quest,’ a spokesperson told DailyMail.com.

‘It’s clear we missed the mark with this, and we sincerely apologize. We did not intend to direct any negativity towards any particular person or groups of people. The content is no longer live in the game.’

A source added that Kim was not aware of the level, and ‘immediately took steps to ensure it was taken down.’

‘She is disappointed that this happened and has requested an internal investigation to ensure that this misstep doesn’t happen again,’ the source added.
Kim Kardashian removes mobile game level ‘based on Meghan Markle and Prince Harry’s royal exit’
Kim Kardashian has removed a level of her mobile game which appeared to be based on Prince Harry and Meghan Markle’s royal exit.
https://metro.co.uk/2021/05/26/kim-k...ghan-14646118/

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The mobile application features the characters of a prince named Prince Aston and his wife Princess Bianca trying to escape the grasps of the Queen.

The app even features Princess Bianca giving an Oprah Winfrey-style explosive interview, saying: "Prince Aston has done everything in his power to welcome me into the Royal Family. Unfortunately, I can’t say the same about everyone in his family.”

"The Queen is a symbol of tradition, but as times change, perhaps some traditions become outdated,” Bianca’s character added.

Fans, however, are not too pleased about Kim using the personal lives of Harry and Meghan to earn money.

One fan told The Sun: "The two characters are obviously based on Meghan and Harry. The Queen speaks quite rudely in it. It’s in poor taste considering everything she has been through recently."
Kim Kardashian slammed for exploiting Prince Harry, Meghan’s exit for money
https://www.geo.tv/latest/351910-kim...exit-for-money
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Old 05-26-2021, 08:00 AM
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I had no idea that Kim Kardashian had a game app, but I can't say that I follow the Kardashians very closely! I'm probably several decades out of date, but I tend to think of computer games as involving either sports or else little cartoon characters trying to eat things or shoot things - I'm not sure what sort of "game" involves a prince and princess leaving a royal family, but, TBH, I don't think I want to know!
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A spokesperson and Glu Mobile from the smartphone game app, Kim Kardashian: Hollywood has reportedly confirm that the game level featuring Prince Aston and his wife Princess Bianca has been removed. This comes after some "backlash", where a fan complained that Kim Kardashian or the game developer Glu Mobile are exploiting the Sussex's exit from Royal Family. That level containing Prince Aston and Princess Bianca parallels with Harry & Meghan's clash with the Royal Family was only released recently, before quickly taken down.

Eh. it probably didn't make much money.
If it had been a huge commercial success, my guess is that it would never have been taken down.
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I’m not a fan of Paul Burrell because he’s always ripping Charles, but I think he’s spot on here.

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Paul, 62, says, “There’s no doubt it’s a great idea for Harry to have help and therapy. But therapy is supposed to be confidential – it doesn’t work on the world stage. Doing what he’s doing is only going to cause him so much more pain. I don’t recognise him now – he’s almost become the centre of his own world. He’s hurting his family and saying things that I really think he’ll regret. Meghan has encouraged him to get therapy and change his way of thinking – but I think he’ll be left broken when this all stops and he realises what he’s done.

“He’s been blinded by Meghan, by her beauty and by this Hollywood world. I think now it could only be Meghan who can stop him from doing these interviews and doing any more damage, and destroying himself. He won’t heal if he keeps doing this – it’ll make things worse in the long run. I honestly have no idea when it will stop.”
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However, Paul believes Diana would have been devastated at the thought of Harry falling out with his family.

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“But what he’s doing now is going to make everything so much worse for him. Diana would be heartbroken it’s come to this. Not only would she be devastated that Harry is cut off from his family, but she’d disapprove of him tearing down the royals. She’d want him to stop airing his dirty laundry, and to live a quiet, private life, focused on his children.”
https://closeronline.co.uk/celebrity...meghan-markle/
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Old 05-26-2021, 09:35 AM
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I think that Diana woudl have been upset by divisions between him and William but all the same, she kind of set him an example of "going on TV and complaining about the RF". True the RF weren't her own family and she was mild in her criticism.. but....
And not sure how much of it is Harry being fascinated by Hollywood. I dont know if he is really that taken with the place, per se..... except that perhaps he sees America right now as a land where he can be freer than he was in the UK...
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I think that Diana woudl have been upset by divisions between him and William but all the same, she kind of set him an example of "going on TV and complaining about the RF". True the RF weren't her own family and she was mild in her criticism.. but....
And not sure how much of it is Harry being fascinated by Hollywood. I dont know if he is really that taken with the place, per se..... except that perhaps he sees America right now as a land where he can be freer than he was in the UK...


IA- I don’t think there’s any doubt she’d be upset by him and William not getting along.

While she did help set the example on airing private matters, I believe she came to regret doing the interview. So, I think she’d see this as a bad idea. And her criticism was much milder.

Furthermore- Harry has criticized William directly. Not a lot, but he has. And I think there is implied criticism anytime he lashes out at the institution/monarchy and his “family” in general terms. William is a senior royal and about the closet family he has. Maybe Harry isn’t intending to criticize him publicly- but it’s not an unreasonable conclusion to draw IMO. She surely wouldn’t like one son getting criticized by the other son publicly like this.

I do agree with Burrell that this is a huge mistake to be so critical. Whether Harry comes to regret it, who knows, but I do agree that if he does- it’ll be devastating to look back on this. Regardless- I see nothing beneficial for anyone that he’s being so publicly critical. For so many reasons.

I don’t doubt Meghan is a huge influence; Harry himself has made that clear. I assume- and maybe that’s unfair- that she’s fully on-board with all this constant criticism. Given the Oprah interview alone, it’s not an unreasonable conclusion to draw though IMO.

IA with him that therapy should be confidential.

IDK if he’s fascinated by Hollywood, but he/they have somewhat adopted the Hollywood celebrity lifestyle.
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I dont know if she did regret it, she was unhappy that it led to her being ordered to get a divorce, but Im not sure if she really connected the 2 things in her mind. All the same her criticism of the Royal family and system were pretty mild compared with Harry's lashing out.
I dont know if Harry is fascinated by Hollywood in itself or if it is that he loves Meghan and is afraid of losing her if he doesn't go along with what she wants.
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I view Harry and Meghan as two people who are surprised by the behavior of their fathers. The disappointment and betrayal you've expressed about them is exactly how they feel about the men they've looked to for guidance throughout their lives. Harry and Meghan are not bad people who do not care about the plight of others. Both Sussexes have a history of advocating for causes throughout their lives. The couple will continue their philanthropic efforts because it's who they are. I'm excited to see what Archewell will do next.
Harry and Meghan are hardly the first two people in history - or even in the royal family - to be unhappy or disappointed with the actions of a parent. We can debate all day long whether Charles was right to cut them off or was a good father to Harry, but that's a separate issue from whether they're right to be all over the airwaves complaining about him, Philip, the Queen, the courtiers, and soon enough probably the corgis. No one who follows Harry's example in dealing with their own family issues is going to be better off for it, because no interpersonal problem will ever be resolved by publicizing it. Thomas Markle is proof enough of that. Even setting aside Harry's recent complaints about how he really didn't enjoy going on tours to help people to whom he should have felt a personal connection, the fact that anyone who emulates him will be harmed by doing so - and will harm others in the process - is reason enough to doubt his professed motives here.
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But wait.... there's more!

If you've ever seen an infomercial here in the States, it usually plugs a "really good deal" but as an extra added attraction, these words are included. "But wait... there's more!" An add on item to make the deal seem too good to pass up.

Unfortunately, this doesn't apply to Harry's adeptness at being a mental health advocate. Perhaps "The Me You Can't See" didn't do overly well as there is... wait for it.... a sequel!!

https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/26/enter...all/index.html
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IA- I don’t think there’s any doubt she’d be upset by him and William not getting along.

While she did help set the example on airing private matters, I believe she came to regret doing the interview. So, I think she’d see this as a bad idea. And her criticism was much milder.

Furthermore- Harry has criticized William directly. Not a lot, but he has. And I think there is implied criticism anytime he lashes out at the institution/monarchy and his “family” in general terms. William is a senior royal and about the closet family he has. Maybe Harry isn’t intending to criticize him publicly- but it’s not an unreasonable conclusion to draw IMO. She surely wouldn’t like one son getting criticized by the other son publicly like this.

I do agree with Burrell that this is a huge mistake to be so critical. Whether Harry comes to regret it, who knows, but I do agree that if he does- it’ll be devastating to look back on this. Regardless- I see nothing beneficial for anyone that he’s being so publicly critical. For so many reasons.

I don’t doubt Meghan is a huge influence; Harry himself has made that clear. I assume- and maybe that’s unfair- that she’s fully on-board with all this constant criticism. Given the Oprah interview alone, it’s not an unreasonable conclusion to draw though IMO.

IA with him that therapy should be confidential.

IDK if he’s fascinated by Hollywood, but he/they have somewhat adopted the Hollywood celebrity lifestyle.

Even if Harry didn’t know that his mother - or his father, for that matter - regretted going public, he saw the results. I think that’s exactly what he wanted - to create a stir, and yes, to hurt his father and the family. It’s his way of getting revenge on the father and the institution who wouldn’t give him everything he wanted. If he regrets it, it may be too late to do anything about it...regrets won’t mean a thing if the people he supposedly loves are gone before he understands what his choices have done.
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If you've ever seen an infomercial here in the States, it usually plugs a "really good deal" but as an extra added attraction, these words are included. "But wait... there's more!" An add on item to make the deal seem too good to pass up.

Unfortunately, this doesn't apply to Harry's adeptness at being a mental health advocate. Perhaps "The Me You Can't See" didn't do overly well as there is... wait for it.... a sequel!!

https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/26/enter...all/index.html
According to Apple it has done very well.

https://deadline.com/2021/05/oprah-w...le-1234764211/

"The Me You Can't See has been the number one most watched program worldwide on AppleTV+ since its launch and that it drew 25% new viewers to the service and a more than 40% increase in average weekend viewership in the UK. "

Not surprised they want to do a follow up program.
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