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Old 03-12-2021, 06:41 PM
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Surely, if you expect your child to have the title of prince and the style of HRH, you are fully accepting the idea of hierarchy and the idea that your children are not on the same level as other people's. I assume she didn't question the fact that she became the Duchess of Sussex, whereas Serena Stanhope, when she married a monarch's grandson, only became Viscountess Linley.


I'm still not getting any of this. They made a big deal about Archie being Master Mountbatten-Windsor rather than the Earl of Dumbarton, and said they didn't want him to have a title. I notice that Oprah never raised that point.


Oprah didnít raise a lot of points. Lol Namely anything that might make Harry and Meghan look bad.
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Old 03-12-2021, 06:42 PM
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Again I' like to point out that the interview was not Live and it was edited. Who had editorial control? If anyone knows I think that would be interesting information.
I hear you but I don't believe it. In one clip, Oprah says something about them saying "explosive" things. "Explosive" revelations are rarely good. Would many people continue watching if she merely described baking cookies with the royal family. Even if the interview was deceptively edited, Harry and Meghan agreed to do it.

Moreover, if the interview were selectively edited, we could reasonably expect Harry and Meghan to issue a statement correcting the record. Instead, they allowed one friend to speak to reporters who said that the royal family should be grateful Harry and Meghan didn't say even more damaging things. There was also the veiled hint about Meghan having emails to prove her allegations.
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Wouldn't it be fair to say if H&M thought it has been edited so what they were saying had been changed or edited in a way to make it sound different we would have heard from them by now? To be honest if they weren't 100% happy with it I bet we would have heard from them by now.

They aren't exactly afraid to speak out whenever they want to and indeed have had friends who apparently were watching it with them speaking out on all the main points made - hardly something they would do if they thought it was all edited out of context.
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Old 03-12-2021, 06:50 PM
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Wouldn't it be fair to say if H&M thought it has been edited so what they were saying had been changed or edited in a way to make it sound different we would have heard from them by now? To be honest if they weren't 100% happy with it I bet we would have heard from them by now.

They aren't exactly afraid to speak out whenever they want to and indeed have had friends who apparently were watching it with them speaking out on all the main points made - hardly something they would do if they thought it was all edited out of context.
This is true. To point out how they'd definitely react to something coming across differently than what they intended, just look how quickly Meghan jumped on the phone to file a complaint in Britain about the comments that Piers Morgan made. That happened in a um... New York minute which is considerably faster than a California minute if I remember right.
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Old 03-12-2021, 06:54 PM
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I seem to miss out on this email(s) that was in circulation. Can someone please point me to it?


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dai...interview.html

Hereís a link that talks about it. (There are a ton.) I canít find the original article Scobie wrote right now. It was incredibly nasty. But this link does discuss the email situation.
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Old 03-12-2021, 06:56 PM
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But the point is only someone who knows her can say which is true. I don't know her, and I'm unwilling to brand her as a liar because the interview was edited and we don't know if the Duke and Duchess had editorial approval.
Not sure if they had editorial approval or not, but they did have control over how their interview was used by various broadcasters. One of the rules was that the interview had to be played in full and couldnít be edited in any way.

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Secret details of strict instructions have been given to a host of broadcasters around the world about how the Duke and Duchess of Sussex want to be presented in the tell-all Oprah Winfrey interview that first aired in the US today.

The broadcasters were required to agree to a list of four non-negotiable demands which could see them in breach of their contracts if not obeyed, according to a report by The Australian...

The first agreement was that the programme must run in full, and Network Ten and the other broadcasters were not allowed to edit the interview in any way....

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle...Q4TD2I6JIQVNI/
I would think that if Meghan and Harry had a problem with how they were portrayed in the interview, they would have made it known by now. Their go to reporter certainly hasnít written anything about them being unhappy with the way the interview was edited. And Meghanís friend said she watched it with Meghan, and they were all relieved that she could finally tell their side of the story. So that doesnít sound like someone who is unhappy with the editing.
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Old 03-12-2021, 07:03 PM
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But the one thing we do know about Harry and Meghan is that they are highly and fearlessly quick to complain when they feel misrepresented in the media.



As there has not been as much as a peep from them saying Oprah was unfair, we must take that interview as "their truth". They are satisfied with the results.


Indeed. This interview did what it was meant to do. Weíd have heard from Harry and Meghan if they were unhappy.

As it is- Harry surely had to know his own grandparents were going to get accused of racism, but he did nothing until after the interview aired and people had hours to speculate. (And the rest of the family remains under a cloud; he just narrowed the field.) I wonder what made him speak out really.

What I really find interesting is that theyíre not throwing a fit over the Times bullying article. Thatís easily the worst thing thatís been published about them. Itís also very damaging to their brand. But so far....silence. No lawsuits yet.
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Old 03-12-2021, 07:06 PM
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What I really find interesting is that theyíre not throwing a fit over the Times bullying article. Thatís easily the worst thing thatís been published about them. Itís also very damaging to their brand. But so far....silence. No lawsuits yet.
Possibly because Jason Knauf' supposed leaked email was actually written a few years ago, indicating genuine concern, as opposed to the very last moment and backdated with what I perceive as intention to leave a paper trail.
Just my two cents.
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Old 03-12-2021, 07:08 PM
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This is true. To point out how they'd definitely react to something coming across differently than what they intended, just look how quickly Meghan jumped on the phone to file a complaint in Britain about the comments that Piers Morgan made. That happened in a um... New York minute which is considerably faster than a California minute if I remember right.


That bothers me a lot. Iím not the biggest fan of Piers Morgan, but I think he had every right to say he didnít believe her. Itís not like Meghan provided proof of anything- and he already knew sheíd lied about certain things, which calls into question the veracity of the entire interview IMO.

It looks like an abuse of power on Meghanís part IMO.
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Old 03-12-2021, 07:10 PM
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I apologize for choosing the wrong words. I am not trying to make excuses, support, or disagree with The Sussex's. I'm looking at this like through a prism taking each angle on its own.

One angle is The Duchess is an American, it's part of a cultural makeup to question hierarchy. It's the way it is here for good or ill. Like it or not she's going to automatically balk at the idea that her children are in any way beneath others. I'm not saying that it's a good thing. It's just the way people in the USA think.

She might know that in a monarchy the concept is different, that doesn't make it easier to process when your entire cultural system pre-disposes her to fight that sort of thing.

I don't think Americans necessarily question hierarchy, but I agree that it is difficult for them to understand hierarchy based on birth order as opposed to merit for example.



Of course, birth order plays a fundamental role in a monarchy and in the peerage, but, whether Meghan accepts it or not, that is not what she was questioning in the Oprah interview. In fact, she never argued that Archie was treated differently (in terms of titles and future security) from George, Charlotte and Louis because William is Charles' firstborn and Harry is the second son. Instead, she insinuated that Archie was treated differently because he is biracial and even tried to make an odd association between the title/security issue and an alleged comment about skin color made by an unnamed member of the Royal Family back when she and Harry were only starting to date. Either she is unbelievably uninformed, or there was malicious intent in the narrative she was trying to make.
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Old 03-12-2021, 07:11 PM
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But is that really "factual?" Possibly there are other ways of seeing both sides of the discussion.
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Old 03-12-2021, 07:17 PM
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Possibly because Jason Knauf' supposed leaked email was actually written a few years ago, indicating genuine concern, as opposed to the very last moment and backdated with what I perceive as intention to leave a paper trail.
Just my two cents.


Makes sense. They know itís real. They know they canít discredit him and say he was lying about his concerns. Iím not holding my breath weíll hear more about it- though thatís one story I would like to hear more on. Especially since Harry and Meghan lecture us on kindness and compassion....

I hadnít thought about fabricated evidence. Thatís colder than hanging onto everything because you know at some point youíll use it for sympathy and revenge.
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Old 03-12-2021, 07:19 PM
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Meghan spoke about exclusions made for "other grandchildren" . IOW, she knew fully well that there were grandchildren NOT included in the scenario she described. She didn't compare her son to *these* children. She went straight for the heirs of the heir - the personification of the very hierarchy which constitutes a monarchy and gives each one of them their bread and butter, aka thousands of pounds for wardrobes, private jets, million pound weddings and so on. Each of them, including Harry and her. Unfair? Monarchy is inherently unfair, yet Meghan clings to her unfair title for dear life.


There are just three children who stand above any comparison, for now, until they grow up and start having children of their own. And she went straight for them. For an American who's born and raised not to believe in monarchical hierarchy, that's quite the direction.
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Old 03-12-2021, 07:21 PM
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Not sure if they had editorial approval or not, but they did have control over how their interview was used by various broadcasters. One of the rules was that the interview had to be played in full and couldnít be edited in any way.



I would think that if Meghan and Harry had a problem with how they were portrayed in the interview, they would have made it known by now. Their go to reporter certainly hasnít written anything about them being unhappy with the way the interview was edited. And Meghanís friend said she watched it with Meghan, and they were all relieved that she could finally tell their side of the story. So that doesnít sound like someone who is unhappy with the editing.
Oh this is fascinating soapstar, thank you for posting. When the Sussexes posted their plans after stepping back, one criticism was that they "wanted to control how they were portrayed by the media." Their supporters fired back and said they did not want that at all, it was about (fair representation, maybe).

This has put paid to that, hasn't it.
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Old 03-12-2021, 07:21 PM
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I love and admire how you wish to defend her, but the UK is finished with her, she didn't want anything to do with us, despite us all opening our hearts to her she threw it back in our face,
I do not wish to defend or to tear down anyone. I don't know anyone in the BRF. I have no wish to play Judge and Jury to anyone. I haven't said anything against the Family at all. I've never even intimated that The Sussex's were mistreated.

That said I don't believe that this interview has done catastrophic damage to either the monarchy or the Queen. Other family members have done and said far worse.
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Makes sense. They know it’s real. They know they can’t discredit him and say he was lying about his concerns. I’m not holding my breath we’ll hear more about it- though that’s one story I would like to hear more on. Especially since Harry and Meghan lecture us on kindness and compassion....

I hadn’t thought about fabricated evidence. That’s colder than hanging onto everything because you know at some point you’ll use it for sympathy and revenge.
I know, right? But at least it fits with Meghan's narrative of not keeping emails longer than 30 days. That's what she claimed in court, if I remember correctly?
She didn't specify when she had demanded of staff to take care of the insulting story that she made Kate cry. Her righteous indignation masks the fact that the words look - to me - just thrown there to make impression. It does look contrived to me, its very existence a "proof" that the story had been false. Like, "What do you think, why has the cosmos turned bright pink?" The very structure of the question asserts that the cosmos has indeed turned bright pink.
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Old 03-12-2021, 07:36 PM
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If you want to find out more about how the Met Police had came to the decision that Archie will not receive taxpayer funded protection, as Osipi has kindly pointed out and explained, there is a Times article that came out few days ago.

Harry and Meghan Ďdonít need police protection ó their risk isnít high enoughí
Protection for the Sussexes in Canada was estimated to be costing taxpayers more than £1 million a year
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/h...ough-gcwzdxs6l

Archived link that has the whole article
https://archive.ph/RNEU8#selection-727.0-751.9

Thank you for sharing this very informative article.
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Old 03-12-2021, 08:06 PM
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Well, hmm. Cher was never Legally Married to Sonny Bono, and my Great Aunt s filing the wrong Tax returns for decades LOL
I'm really not trying to hurt your feelings, but, California does not have common law marriage, and hasn't for over 100 years. I don't know why Meghan said what she said, and I'm willing to believe she didn't mean what it sounded like, but there is no argument that being raised in California was the basis of her confusion. Unless she is a time traveler. (Which would make things much more interesting, but alas, she is not.)

As Meghan was a recent convert, I also don't expect Meghan to fully understand the rules and sacraments of the CofE, but, it's simply a fact that she could not have been legally married without witnesses and a license, and you can't get married twice in the CofE. So when she said that, for those of us who do know the rules, it was like saying "and three days before our wedding, we took a trip to the Moon." Um, that's not possible. It's not out of any malice towards her. Just not factually possible.

And personally, I'm very disappointed in her husband, who did know better and was standing right there. And I certainly hope he didn't tell her it was a legal marriage, because that would have been a fraud.

It goes without saying but, if the Archbishop told her it was a marriage ceremony, he needs to apologize publicly and resign. I can't imagine he didn't clarify things at the moment, but shame on him if he suspected there was any confusion and didn't make sure everyone absolutely understood it was a blessing. Like any religion, people may not understand the marriage requirements of the CofE or agree with them, but they have deep, personal meaning to many people, and the rule of no double marriage ceremonies has also been hard for some members.

(Sonny & Cher's infamous "informal vows" were done in Mexico, a separate country from the U.S.A. Why in Mexico? Because their resident state, California, did not have common law marriage. And anyone can file joint taxes. It's only illegal if the person is escaping tax liability through the status. In the few states that do authorize the creation of common-law marriage (not California), you must jointly file your taxes for the status, and continue to do so for the life of the marriage. Under the full faith and credit clause of the Constitution, California and all other states will recognize a common-law marriage that was legally formed in a state that authorizes common-law marriage. But of course, that's true for all marriages, or every time you moved states you would have to re-marry your spouse.)
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Interesting how quickly the RF turned into not wanting to support mental health of one of its own and apparently stopping them from seeking treatment after:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39618169
Prince Harry has revealed he sought counselling after spending nearly 20 years "not thinking" about the death of his mother, Diana, Princess of Wales.

He said he decided to act after his brother - the Duke of Cambridge - told him: "Look, you really need to deal with this. It is not normal to think that nothing has affected you."

Prince Harry said: "Some of the best people or easiest people to speak to is a shrink or whoever - the Americans call them shrinks - someone you have never met before.

"You sit down on the sofa and say 'listen, I don't actually need your advice. Can you just listen'. And you just let it all rip."

Asked whether he had counselling, he said: "I've done that a couple of times, more than a couple of times, but it's great."

But he said he could "safely say" his concerns were not related to his service as a soldier in Afghanistan.

On taking up boxing, Prince Harry told the paper: "Everyone was saying boxing is good for you and it's a really good way of letting out aggression.

"And that really saved me because I was on the verge of punching someone."



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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36880847
Prince Harry has spoken of his regret that he did not talk about how the death of his mother, Princess Diana, affected him until three years ago.

Prince Harry, 31, was speaking as he hosted an event for the mental health charity, Heads Together, which was attended by a number of sports stars.

He told the BBC the event was an opportunity to highlight that anyone can suffer from mental health issues.

The prince told BBC Breakfast: "It is OK to suffer, but as long as you talk about it. It is not a weakness. Weakness is having a problem and not recognising it and not solving that problem."

He said the event was an opportunity to show that "unflappable" sporting personalities can suffer from mental health problems like everyone else, including members of the Royal Family.


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The Duke of Cambridge, President of the FA, meets players and fans from grassroots to the elite of the game and openly discusses their mental health challenges.

The BBC documentary 'Football, Prince William and Our Mental Health' follows The Duke as part of the the Heads Up mental health campaign, which aims to harness the influence and power of football to generate the biggest conversation ever on mental health and build on the great work already happening across the game.



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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52308863
Coronavirus: Royal couple say lockdown 'stressful' on mental health

Coronavirus lockdown is "stressful" for many people and it is important to look after mental health, the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge have said.

Prince William said there was an "ever-increasing need" for people to know where to access help and support.

"While that's hugely important we mustn't forget our mental well-being as well and making sure you're reaching out to those people around you that you have access to - even if it's over the phone or online to really make sure you have those conversations," she said.
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https://www.radiotimes.com/tv/drama/...rgaret-health/
Margaret did go to counselling during her marriage to Tony Armstrong Jones (played by Ben Daniels in season three). The Christopher Warwick book notes: “They did most certainly seek the help of a noted Harley Street psychologist, in an attempt to sort things out between them.” It was, unfortunately, not a success.

Craig Brown’s book Ma’am Darling also mentions a solo trip, one-off trip to see a consultant psychiatrist attached to Westminster Hospital (Dr Peter Dally) after Tony persuaded her to seek psychiatric help in 1966.

It’s rather more difficult to find any information about Margaret seeing a counsellor post-divorce, as dramatised in The Crown – but who knows, perhaps she made a private visit?


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https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/p...-a4141486.html

Prince Charles has said he is "proud" of his sons for their work to remove the stigma around mental health.

Speaking at an event to mark the centenary of veterans’ charity Combat Stress, Charles praised “the awful stigma of our society” giving way to a “more positive and caring attitude”.

He added: “The armed forces have made a concerted effort in this regard and so, I am proud to say, have my sons.”


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https://www.fwi.co.uk/farm-life/prin...health-charity

Prince Charles has made a “significant” donation to a new charity which aims to tackle mental health in the farming community following the devastating impact of the coronavirus.

In a video message directed at tenants on the Duchy of Cornwall estate, the Prince of Wales admitted he felt “demoralised” to learn how many people working in the food, farming, tourism and hospitality industries had been affected by the pandemic.


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https://www.ghc.nhs.uk/news/countess...th-facilities/

Her Royal Highness The Countess of Wessex performed the official opening of two new facilities for people affected by mental health issues in Gloucestershire.

The Pied Piper Room for Children and Families and The Alexandra Wellbeing House are both in Gloucester, but serve the whole county. Her Royal Highness visited Gloucestershire today (July 5) to see at first-hand the support the premises provide.

The Pied Piper Room – partly funded by Gloucester-based charity the Pied Piper Appeal – is within Wotton Lawn Hospital, in Horton Road. The room is specifically designed as a welcoming space for children to spend time with their loved ones who are receiving treatment at the hospital.

The room enables families to spend time together – playing games, reading, eating together and generally enjoying family life – so will be supporting both the health and wellbeing of the young people visiting the hospital, as well as their family members. It was designed in conjunction with Gloucestershire

Young carers and young people who have relatives with mental health conditions, or who have mental health conditions themselves.


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https://www.bridgwatermercury.co.uk/...l-health-unit/

FRESH from watching her nephew get married on Friday, the Countess of Wessex was in Bridgwater this afternoon.

HRH Sophie, the Countess of Wessex, unveiled a plaque at the 12-bedroom inpatient facility for young people with mental health issues at Broadway Health Park.


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https://www.royal.uk/duchess-cambrid...-health-awards

The Duchess of Cambridge will attend the Place2Be Wellbeing in Schools Awards on Tuesday 21 November.

As Patron of the children's mental health charity Place2Be, The Duchess will attend the event at Mansion House in London where she will present the Child Champion and Young Person Champion Award.

Her Royal Highness will also meet some incredible children and young people, who have worked not only to overcome challenges themselves, but have also been open about their experiences in the hope of encouraging their peers in school to do the same.

Place2Be works with schools to give young children support at an early age, so they are better equipped to work though their issues in childhood.

Mental Health is an important priority for The Duchess and Place2Be is part of the Heads Together campaign, which The Duchess is leading with The Duke and Prince Harry to challenge stigma around talking about mental health.


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https://www.gbshealth.co.uk/news/hig...x#.YEwKcun7SYU

The Highfield Unit Oxford was officially opened on Thursday 13 February by Her Royal Highness The Countess of Wessex. The facility based on the site of the Warneford Hospital in Headington, Oxford, provides specialist inpatient services for young people aged 11 to 18 with acute mental health needs and opened for patients at the beginning of 2013. The £11m unit has 18 bedrooms, all with en-suite facilities, as well as a state-of-the-art music suite and a dedicated learning zone so young people continue their education.

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https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal...021-royals-ont

MIKE TINDALL has given fresh insight into his retirement from rugby in a new interview.

The former rugby star is the husband of Zara Tindall, granddaughter of the Queen. The two are expecting their third child at some point this year.

In an interview with The Times, Mr Tindall, 42, said stepping back from his sporting career was an “overcast” time in his life, whilst commenting on the ups and downs of being a working royal.

He said: “Suddenly you wake up and you’ve got nowhere to go. You haven’t got your 30 best mates that you’re definitely going to see that day.”

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-45447778

Zara Tindall on miscarriages: 'It's been a horrible road'

Zara Tindall on miscarriages: 'It's been a horrible road'
Zara Tindall has spoken to BBC Breakfast about going through two miscarriages and how hard it is for dads to experience.

https://www.hellomagazine.com/royalt...-miscarriages/

Zara Tindall has opened up about the heartbreak of her two miscarriages with her husband, rugby player Mike Tindall. The Queen's granddaughter, who recently revealed that she suffered a second miscarriage, spoke of the difficulties she experienced in an emotional interview with BBC Breakfast presenter Sally Nugent. "I think that's the hardest thing in our situation, is that everyone knew," she explained whilst fighting back the tears. "And very much when things like that happen, normally it's just your family and friends, but unfortunately everyone knew about it."


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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/m...rice-8vs93f2hc

Princess Beatrice has said she believes that social media has made her generation more willing to talk about their struggles, as she praised the work of her royal cousins in raising awareness of the issue.

The princess, 28, who is seventh in line to the throne, was speaking at the Lady Garden 5km run in Hyde Park on Saturday.

She said: “What the boys and Catherine have done with their Heads Together campaign is incredible. Convening the conversation around mental health I think feeds a lot into why it’s OK to start talking about other issues.

“I think that we live in a generation that has the ability to share on social media, and the conversations are starting to really, really, happen, and I think

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https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal...yal-family-spt

CAMILLA, Duchess of Cornwall admitted a "personal struggle" she has experienced during the coronavirus lockdown during an episode of The Emma Barnett Show on BBC 5Live.

The Duchess was guest-editing the episode, which focused on her key patronages and projects, but also had her open up about her experience of the last few months. Camilla turns 73 today and Clarence House have released a new photograph of the Duchess wearing a stunning blue shift dress, which seems to be a favourite of hers. She recently moved back to the London address, after spending lockdown at Birkhall in Scotland with her husband Prince Charles, which was a stressful time for the royal couple, especially when Charles was diagnosed with coronavirus himself.

However, she admitted that the hardest thing was not being able to see her children and grandchildren.

Mr Myres reflected on how honest and authentic Camilla was in the interview, saying he thought the conversation was “fantastic”.

He added: “She was sitting in the guest-editor’s chair essentially, speaking about her patronages, being really honest and very personal.

“She was speaking about hugging her grandchildren and I think that’s something we’ve all experienced, haven't we?

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https://news.sky.com/story/james-mid...ggles-11833479

James Middleton has opened up about his struggles with mental health, saying at his darkest points he contemplated suicide.

The younger brother of the Duchess of Cambridge says it's only now, after nearly a year of therapy, he feels he has been "re-born".

The 32-year-old told The Daily Telegraph Kate was among the family members who came along with him to cognitive behavioural therapy sessions.

He also said it was very difficult to open up to his family about his problems, admitting at times he behaved "like Kevin from Kevin & Perry".

Mr Middleton revealed his battle with depression earlier this year, motivated by the Heads Together campaign.

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