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Old 03-18-2021, 01:25 PM
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I don't think Harry would want to be King. He's said so himself a couple of times, said "no one wants to be King" in 2017 and says he now considers his father and brother "trapped".

I think what they want is the perks, Dutchy money, their own court and status of being King or at least being in the direct line without the often tedious work.

If they were King and Queen they wouldn't be able to leave for several months of the year, couldn't speak out on the issues they wanted, would get criticised A LOT for things that aren't necessarily their fault and all the rest of it.
True but I feelt that they have become so entitled that they dont like William being future King and ahead of them.
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Old 03-18-2021, 01:34 PM
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If anyone really is "trapped" right now, it seems to be that its Harry and Meghan, themselves. They're trapped between a rock and a hard place between expectations and reality. Life doesn't always go the way that one envisions and hopes and plans for it to go.

None of us ever expected to be trapped in a global pandemic and it's affected each and every one of us to some degree. A year and some into the pandemic, we've all had to adapt and conform and do things differently and that's what we did. We faced the reality of a global pandemic. (Well... most of us did anyways).
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Old 03-18-2021, 01:43 PM
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Also, I don't think Harry has ever understood that Charles viewed the Duchy as heavily tied to Charles' royal role and duties. He sees it as just free money that Charles can spend how he likes.
BUT...the Duchy of Cornwall becomes William's, as soon as Charles succeeds.
So, Charles can't simply hand Harry the funds without shortchanging William.

Harry should understand this, but apparently he doesn't.
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Old 03-18-2021, 01:50 PM
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BUT...the Duchy of Cornwall becomes William's, as soon as Charles succeeds.
So, Charles can't simply hand Harry the funds without shortchanging William.

Harry should understand this, but apparently he doesn't.
Come to think of it, didn't Harry want his own court in Windsor? The move to establish Harry's office and staff within Buckingham Palace, under the Queen's jurisdiction, was preparation for when it was Charles' time to support and finance Harry and Meghan's roles from the Duchy of Lancaster as the Queen does now for all her other family members outside of the family of the Duke of Cornwall.

Every penny spent by Charles out of the Duchy of Cornwall is accounted for just that we don't see an itemized list of his personal expenditures. One thing I do know is that Charles rewrote the book on the role and responsibility of the Duke of Cornwall. It's something that I truly very much admire about the man.
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Old 03-18-2021, 01:57 PM
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When that time comes, I don't imagine William will be feeling too generous towards Harry and Meghan, since they've repeatedly thrown him and Kate under the bus for no reason. Meghan didn't have to bring up the crying story, and she could have said "That's not what happened - Kate didn't cry" without going into how Kate said something mean and made Meghan cry. Neither of them had to tell Gayle King that Harry had spoken with William, or that Harry thought that conversation was "unproductive," and they certainly didn't have to authorize Gayle to repeat that on tv. (I don't believe for a second that Gayle did that without their ok - she knows how her bread is buttered.)
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Old 03-18-2021, 02:00 PM
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BUT...the Duchy of Cornwall becomes William's, as soon as Charles succeeds.
So, Charles can't simply hand Harry the funds without shortchanging William.

Harry should understand this, but apparently he doesn't.
Charles does actually have to account for how Duchy money is spent to some extent and it's not an inexhaustible resource.

"Struggling tenant farmer's rent increased to pay for 16 bathroom mansion and Hollywood lifestyle for Prince Harry" doesn't make a good headline.

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True but I feelt that they have become so entitled that they dont like William being future King and ahead of them.
Yes. From their own words it sounds like they one the one hand really hate the life and restrictions of "The Institution" but on the other they want all the perks, titles and money that come with being high up the restricted ladder.

What they really seem to want is an unlimited supply of money, perks, 100% press and public adoration and to be able to say and do what they like. Which is what a lot of people would like but it's an impossible dream.
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Old 03-18-2021, 02:13 PM
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I often suspected, well before January 2020, that Harry and Meghan wanted to somehow be Prince and Princess of the Commonwealth, which they imagined as traveling around the world, being celebrated at each stop, and on equal status to William & Kate. I recall even double-checking at some point that Charles was already voted as the next Head of the Commonwealth.

When Meghan's veil had the flowers of the Commonwealth I recall thinking that day "very pretty, lovely gesture, but she and Harry do know that their status comes from the U.K., right?" Harry is not a Prince or Duke of the Commonwealth.

When Harry mentioned wanting to move his family to South Africa temporarily I recall being startled, because the Commonwealth isn't the Royal Family's vacation playground. The Queen, as the head, works for the Commonwealth. The only work that any other royal does for the Commonwealth is on behalf of the Queen, in service to the Commonwealth, at the request of the Queen. Personally, I think the last thing that the Queen would want is to create any type of appearance of a Royal setting up a court, even temporarily, in a Commonwealth country.

And when they did their appearance at Canadian Embassy (24 hours before their website went live, I think) I recall that day thinking "strange, it feels like they are trying to establish some sort of special relationship with Canada, but Canada is part of the Commonwealth, that doesn't fit."
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Old 03-18-2021, 02:17 PM
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So on BBC they spoke about talking to an investigator who admitted he was hired by the Sun to spy on Meghan and family. Not that this is at all surprising.
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Old 03-18-2021, 02:31 PM
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So on BBC they spoke about talking to an investigator who admitted he was hired by the Sun to spy on Meghan and family. Not that this is at all surprising.
No it's not surprising unfortunately. Especially considering this is the paper who's journalists admitted and went to prison for hacking Kate, William and Harry's (as well as dozens of others) phones hundreds of times.

I assume more than one media outlet hired people to keep watch on Meghan and her family and dig into everything the second the first reports of her being Harry's girlfriend surfaced.
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Old 03-18-2021, 02:40 PM
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Hacking, spying, everything to do for a juicy headline. That's the hallmark of certain papers, the Sun being prominent among them.


Unfortunately, I'd be surprised if someone is surprised. How low can you go is a question they can't answer because they keep on discovering new depths.
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Old 03-18-2021, 02:45 PM
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BUT...the Duchy of Cornwall becomes William's, as soon as Charles succeeds.
So, Charles can't simply hand Harry the funds without shortchanging William.

Harry should understand this, but apparently he doesn't.
Yes, Charles has a responsibility to William and to George and to Georgeís firstborn and on down the line. And most of all I would say he has a responsibility to the many employees and tenants whose livelihoods depend on a well functioning Duchy of Cornwall. Charles has more than enough money to provide his sons and all of his grandchildren with a very high standard of living but itís not like he just sold his company to Google and now has hundreds of millions of dollars with no restraints on how to spend it all.

William has been involved in meetings regarding The Duchy of Cornwall for years now and Iím sure Charles has done his best to show William that it will never be HIS Duchy - his job will be to manage it well for all the people who will depend on him, including future generations of his family. Iíve thought before that Harry would have benefited from some of the training William had access to. The same people who taught William about the Duchyís financial portfolio could have educated Harry about financial issues, as well. Who knows, maybe they tried.
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Old 03-18-2021, 02:52 PM
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From the BBC news website it seems like he did an in depth version of a Private Investigator search, which is legal except for her social security number.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56444635

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The Sun's publisher said it requested legitimate research and instructed Mr Hanks he must act lawfully.

BBC News has seen the so-called "comprehensive report on Meghan and her family" which the investigator, also known as Danno Hanks, passed to The Sun. It included her phone number, addresses and social security number as well as information on her family members.

In the US, licensed private investigators are allowed full access to databases of personal information for some permitted reasons such as court reports. But accessing this additional level of detail for journalistic purposes is unlawful.

Mr Hanks said: "Pretty much everything I found out they could find out themselves using legal means - with the exception of the social security numbers.

"When you have that information… it's the key to the kingdom."

Whilst there is no evidence it happened in this instance, social security numbers in particular could potentially be used to further other intrusive investigations.
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Old 03-18-2021, 02:53 PM
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Hacking, spying, everything to do for a juicy headline. That's the hallmark of certain papers, the Sun being prominent among them.


Unfortunately, I'd be surprised if someone is surprised. How low can you go is a question they can't answer because they keep on discovering new depths.
I just consulted my crystal ball (fresh out of the shop too!) and it has told me to relay the message that if Meghan thought the press to be mean, nasty, vile and all the other things that she's experienced since meeting up with Harry, she ain't seen nothing yet.

The press is going to be treating these two people worse than every before with no holds barred. I hope Harry and Meghan have a good team of lawyers on retainer as they're going to be able to "prosecute" left and right and up and down and front and center. If she thought filing a complaint against Piers Morgan for voicing his disbelief in her statements was a major step, there's an avalanche about ready to descend on Montecito.
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Old 03-18-2021, 03:01 PM
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Yes, Charles has a responsibility to William and to George and to Georgeís firstborn and on down the line. And most of all I would say he has a responsibility to the many employees and tenants whose livelihoods depend on a well functioning Duchy of Cornwall. Charles has more than enough money to provide his sons and all of his grandchildren with a very high standard of living but itís not like he just sold his company to Google and now has hundreds of millions of dollars with no restraints on how to spend it all.

William has been involved in meetings regarding The Duchy of Cornwall for years now and Iím sure Charles has done his best to show William that it will never be HIS Duchy - his job will be to manage it well for all the people who will depend on him, including future generations of his family. Iíve thought before that Harry would have benefited from some of the training William had access to. The same people who taught William about the Duchyís financial portfolio could have educated Harry about financial issues, as well. Who knows, maybe they tried.
Im sure that Harry beleives that Charles could/should have supplied him with a large allowance covering security from iether his private wealth or the DOC funds.. adn that when he becomes King, he will be even wealthier, and will be able to continue to fund him...
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Old 03-18-2021, 03:09 PM
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Iím pretty sure we arenít supposed to link these kinds of posts here and, to be honest, I donít know what key words youíd use to search it. I saw it on an account I follow. Iíll PM you the link, though. I donít use Tumblr but I hear itís on there, too. Not sure about Twitter, FB, or any other than IG.
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Old 03-18-2021, 03:10 PM
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I just consulted my crystal ball (fresh out of the shop too!) and it has told me to relay the message that if Meghan thought the press to be mean, nasty, vile and all the other things that she's experienced since meeting up with Harry, she ain't seen nothing yet.

The press is going to be treating these two people worse than every before with no holds barred. I hope Harry and Meghan have a good team of lawyers on retainer as they're going to be able to "prosecute" left and right and up and down and front and center. If she thought filing a complaint against Piers Morgan for voicing his disbelief in her statements was a major step, there's an avalanche about ready to descend on Montecito.
Yes. UK and the RF's kind of agreement were their best chance for keeping some privacy. But they preferred to head off to the USA, famous for not having tabloids and only sprouting journalists on their best behavior?
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Old 03-18-2021, 03:12 PM
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Im sure that Harry beleives that Charles could/should have supplied him with a large allowance covering security from iether his private wealth or the DOC funds.. adn that when he becomes King, he will be even wealthier, and will be able to continue to fund him...
Which calls to question his judgment of what professional income is. Or should I say, it calls to question the good faith he put in his statement that they aimed for financial independence and professional income, knowing that most people didn't see tese things as being funded from the Bank of Dad and supplementing this vast income by working... when he felt like it...
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Old 03-18-2021, 03:45 PM
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Which calls to question his judgment of what professional income is. Or should I say, it calls to question the good faith he put in his statement that they aimed for financial independence and professional income, knowing that most people didn't see tese things as being funded from the Bank of Dad and supplementing this vast income by working... when he felt like it...
Thatís the thing, though. He has zero idea of what professional income really means. I really think that, in his mind anyway, he thought as long as he kept himself and thereby the RF in the forefront of the news he was in some weird way ďearningĒ an income and they should pay him for it. Almost like he was becoming a weird sort of publicity machine for the RF. And it could have gone either way...they pay up and meet his demands and the stories are positive and upbeat about charity works, fun stuff like the Cordon interview, little tidbits about Granny and the waffle maker, etc. Or, they refuse to pay up and scoff at his demands and we end up where we now are. Temper tantrums and anything they think they can do to stamp their feet and hold their breath until someone hands over the cash.
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Old 03-18-2021, 03:59 PM
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Lorie138 , thankyou for pointing out my error as to the location of the [ahmm] "interview"'. I should not have relied on early newspaper reports .
I am doubtful if it was in fact H & M's home, that they would have received a location fee as they would have invited Ms Winfrey to film there .
as to Ms King's recent "revelation's ", that although H had talked to both his Father & Brother , the talk's were "unproductive ". I would hazard an opinion that both other men thought that re-stablishing the lines of communication was productive .
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but it si completely impossible.. could not happen. I meant that if Charles had been able somehow to oust William and make Harry future King, I still dont think it would make Meghan (or H) happy because they are alienated from the UK... and Harry does not want to be King (at least according to himself).
Venerable Lady,

I'm well aware that it would require the passage of an Act of Settlement-esque law by the British Parliament and the consent of all other commonwealth realms to put Meghan or Harry on the throne of the United Kingdom, and that is, of course, something that not ever is going to happen.

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but I think that if they had been willing to stay, Meg and H woudl have wanted equal status and money with William and Harry, not to take second place... Even so, I think they are so darned selfish that they would still say they wanted to be out of royal life for much of the year, and to be free to make extra money living abroad..
Indeed. Meghan and Harry want everything on demand as well as on their whimsical terms. And the more one gives to the likes of them, the more discontented they will be.
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