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While she understands the Duke and Duchess of Sussex’s upset over questions that were raised about the colour of their unborn children’s skin, she says: ‘I think there’s a big difference between racism and ignorance. I also think there is a big difference between racism and “concerns”.

‘What I remember from my own experiences is a valid concern that people had regarding a future member of our family and how racism would affect them if the child came out more like me — which is a beautiful, deep-brown, cinnamon colour.

‘The questions asked were, “How will they be perceived? How will they be treated? What will people say? How will you protect them from this unfair world we live in?”



That's from the link Yukari posted to the Tatler article about Rose Hulse. I couldn't get the quote box to work, sorry. That's very similar to the remarks William made when asked how he would feel if one of his children were gay.


He said that he would be absolutely fine with that, but that he would have concerns about the prejudices that they might face in an unfair world. His remarks were widely welcomed by the LGBT community. No-one saw his comments about concerns as being negative in any way - they were acknowledging the issues that some people, very unfairly, have to live with, especially high profile people who get a lot of attention anyway.
Yes, it is. And from what I saw, LGBTQ community understood his words not as homophobic, but as a worry of his children's future. That's why what was said matters, that's why context matters. Because you can have that full quote of William:

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“If your child one day in the future said: ‘Oh I’m gay, oh I’m lesbian,’ whatever, how would you react?”William replied: “I think you don’t really start thinking about that until you are a parent, and I think – obviously, absolutely fine by me.”
The prince, a father of three, added: “The one thing I’d be worried about is how, particularly the roles my children fill, how that is going to be interpreted and seen. So Catherine and I have been doing a lot of talking about it to make sure they were prepared.”
He added: “It worries me not because of them being gay; it worries me how everyone else will react and perceive it and the pressure is then on them.”
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“Not because I am worried about them being gay, or anything. It’s more about the fact I’m worried about the pressure – as you all know - they’re going to face and how much harder their life could be.
“I wish we lived in a world where, like you said, it’s really normal and cool. But particularly for my family and the position that we are in, that’s the bit I’m nervous about.
“I fully support whatever decision they make, but it does worry me from a parent point of view how many barriers, hateful words, persecution and discrimination that might come. That’s the bit that really troubles me a little bit.
“That’s for all of us to try and help correct, to put that in the past and not come back to that sort of stuff.”
And boil it down to "Prince William is nervous and worried at the thought of his children being gay". Without the full quote, or without context in which it was said, we can't really say much. And Meghan fully knows this and was vague/(straight up lied) on purpose, to do the most amount of damage possible.

I think the interview with Rose Hulse is very interesting one, especially when she talkes about her husband's family and friends:
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‘I didn’t grow up here, they didn’t know me, I didn’t go to their schools and most of my husband’s friends had known each other since they were seven,’ she says. ‘I remember going to Scotland for a weekend and every one of his friends asked me very direct questions to try to get to know me.
‘I wasn’t offended and took it as an opportunity to get to know them, too. I had to adjust to their way of life and their dry English humour, but I have come to appreciate it and embrace differences.’
I think we're sometimes forgetting how closed off this environment is that they live in. Their friends are children of their parents friends and so on. It takes time for this barrier to get down and for a close-knit group of friends to accept an outsider. I remember some sources speculating that the same thing happened with Catherine and she was not welcomed with open arms by William's friends.

The second quote, which very well sums up the situation:
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‘I don’t think Meghan was suited for any role as a working royal, as she couldn’t handle the outside pressures and what was expected of her. She’d have had to give up a core part of herself that was proving too difficult. The monarchy has survived more than 1,000 years because they have certain protocols in place to ensure the successful running of the institution. One either steps in line or politely and quietly steps aside. (...)
‘Meghan, too, has a platform and her words are very powerful . . . She needs to use them wisely, for they can unite or create great divide. When life gives you a platform, we should always use it to unite.
I was somewhat aware of Rose Hulse, as I think I read some coverage about her wedding, but she seems very knowledgeable, experienced, level-headed and kind. She explains the situation knowing both sides of this and doesn't pass any judgement.

(I can't believe that I'm actually impressed with an article from Daily Mail, oh lord )
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(I can't believe that I'm actually impressed with an article from Daily Mail, oh lord )
I know right
I almost ignore it when my friend sent me the link because it's Daily Mail. And after finish reading it, I looked outside the window just in case there's pig flying
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I'm a bit surprised by Harry's statement that his father and brother are "trapped" and don't get to leave.
Of course they could abdicate if they wished- it's been done before.
Obviously they don't wish to leave; it's just another ridiculous claim by Harry.
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Old 03-15-2021, 09:33 AM
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Yes, it is. And from what I saw, LGBTQ community understood his words not as homophobic, but as a worry of his children's future. That's why what was said matters, that's why context matters. Because you can have that full quote of William:

And boil it down to "Prince William is nervous and worried at the thought of his children being gay". Without the full quote, or without context in which it was said, we can't really say much. And Meghan fully knows this and was vague/(straight up lied) on purpose, to do the most amount of damage possible.

I think the interview with Rose Hulse is very interesting one, especially when she talkes about her husband's family and friends:
I think we're sometimes forgetting how closed off this environment is that they live in. Their friends are children of their parents friends and so on. It takes time for this barrier to get down and for a close-knit group of friends to accept an outsider. I remember some sources speculating that the same thing happened with Catherine and she was not welcomed with open arms by William's friends.

The second quote, which very well sums up the situation:

I was somewhat aware of Rose Hulse, as I think I read some coverage about her wedding, but she seems very knowledgeable, experienced, level-headed and kind. She explains the situation knowing both sides of this and doesn't pass any judgement.

(I can't believe that I'm actually impressed with an article from Daily Mail, oh lord )
I also had to glance up and see if there were any The DM has had a few right on the money articles lately.

Both Meghan and William, in these instances, were talking to the public about discrimination and racism that pertained to their children.

In my eyes, Meghan sounded like she was more into jumping on the BLM movement which is currently very much in our mindsets and very serious in and of itself and Archie was a vehicle where she could blanket the BRF and the monarchy, itself, with accusations of discriminating against her child. There is nothing wrong with this as she was presenting her truth from her perspective.

With William being asked how he'd feel if one of his kids identified as LGBQT in the future, his focus was not on any movement or social construct that are currently issues but rather focused on how he would feel for his child and what he would do to strengthen and support them.

Both parents have situations where they would be challenged to help their child deal with issues that may arise in the future. The most important thing in all of this is the child. Discrimination comes in many different ways and forms and, for a child, very hurtful. I was fortunate to have been discriminated against as a child for several different reasons as I was "different". The best lesson I learned from my parents was that if people had a problem with me, that's *their* problem and not mine. If only Meghan had been able to see that one comment in that vein, she would have been deemed in my eye a stronger woman. But I don't know Meghan or how she thinks and processes things.
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Old 03-15-2021, 09:48 AM
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I'm a bit surprised by Harry's statement that his father and brother are "trapped" and don't get to leave.
Of course they could abdicate if they wished- it's been done before.
Obviously they don't wish to leave; it's just another ridiculous claim by Harry.


What also caught my attention was him saying how much “compassion” he had for them and their plight. It sounded so condescending.

I imagine that portion of the interview didn’t go over well with William and Charles.
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Old 03-15-2021, 09:50 AM
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What also caught my attention was him saying how much “compassion” he had for them and their plight. It sounded so condescending.

I imagine that portion of the interview didn’t go over well with William and Charles.
Its a bit of a cheek considering that he clearly expected his father to go on supporting him for life...
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Old 03-15-2021, 09:51 AM
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Mail Online also pointed out that CBS, who Harry just earned millions for, was the same channel (the only one in the US) who showed pictures of a dying Diana. As I recall they revolved a whole show around it.
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Old 03-15-2021, 10:34 AM
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Mail Online also pointed out that CBS, who Harry just earned millions for, was the same channel (the only one in the US) who showed pictures of a dying Diana. As I recall they revolved a whole show around it.
Now that is an image I didn't need in my mind today. Luckily, I've never seen those pictures but can easily invent a similar picture in my head.

CBS though, as a whole, has been fighting hard to pull in ratings for quite a while now. I, myself, have found myself rarely watching programming from there so it hit home with this interview how low they've sunk to pull in ratings.
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I also had to glance up and see if there were any The DM has had a few right on the money articles lately.

Both Meghan and William, in these instances, were talking to the public about discrimination and racism that pertained to their children.

In my eyes, Meghan sounded like she was more into jumping on the BLM movement which is currently very much in our mindsets and very serious in and of itself and Archie was a vehicle where she could blanket the BRF and the monarchy, itself, with accusations of discriminating against her child. There is nothing wrong with this as she was presenting her truth from her perspective.

With William being asked how he'd feel if one of his kids identified as LGBQT in the future, his focus was not on any movement or social construct that are currently issues but rather focused on how he would feel for his child and what he would do to strengthen and support them.

Both parents have situations where they would be challenged to help their child deal with issues that may arise in the future. The most important thing in all of this is the child. Discrimination comes in many different ways and forms and, for a child, very hurtful. I was fortunate to have been discriminated against as a child for several different reasons as I was "different". The best lesson I learned from my parents was that if people had a problem with me, that's *their* problem and not mine. If only Meghan had been able to see that one comment in that vein, she would have been deemed in my eye a stronger woman. But I don't know Meghan or how she thinks and processes things.
And here it comes, "her truth" It does aggravates me to hear that. Since we're dealing with "her truth" being different than "Harry's truth", I strongly suspect the "real truth" is actually somewhere else. We don't have enough info to discuss if it was a racist remark or not, but I think the DM article about Rose Hulse very nicely showed it can come from a place of concern rather than racism or discrimination (think "your child will have a tougher time in life due to the colour of the skin", very akin to "your child will have a tougher time in life due to their sexual orientation"), but I doubt we'll ever get the real truth on what was said (and when it was said...).
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I just wonder what the Americans think of Oprah Winfrey. I don't know her to be honest, i heard from her but never saw her on television. Why did Harry and Meghan choose her, Because she is a friend? or the most famous one of all?
I found this a very bad interview ( from Oprah perspective) Not one critical question..not one.
On the long run this can not be good for Harry and Meghan. Is she perceived as a good interviewer or is she more of a showmaster who gave Harry and Meghan the chance to say whatever they wanted?
What does this do to her reputation or is she so big that she is above "the law"
This is bad journalism or am I wrong??
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Old 03-15-2021, 11:24 AM
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As was stated by CBS, Oprah Winfrey is not a journalist but rather her career is as a radio/TV talk show hostess. I can't assess her as I'm not a big fan of any kind of a talk show with people of interest on them to get their message out. It's just not something in my wheelhouse. The same with reality TV. Oprah, though, has been around and interviewing people of interest for as long as I can remember so that tells me that she isn't a flash in the pan "flavor of the day" personage. She started out on the radio in Chicago many years ago and has built her "brand" up and held onto it. Don't quote me on this but I've also heard that Oprah is very much a humanitarian.
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I just wonder what the Americans think of Oprah Winfrey. I don't know her to be honest, i heard from her but never saw her on television. Why did Harry and Meghan choose her, Because she is a friend? or the most famous one of all?
I found this a very bad interview ( from Oprah perspective) Not one critical question..not one.
On the long run this can not be good for Harry and Meghan. Is she perceived as a good interviewer or is she more of a showmaster who gave Harry and Meghan the chance to say whatever they wanted?
What does this do to her reputation or is she so big that she is above "the law"
This is bad journalism or am I wrong??
Oprah is a popular, respected former talk show host. She is not a journalist and is generally sympathetic to the people she interview. I find her very likeable but would never use one of her interviews as a basis to form an opinion.

I assumed she did the interview because she would just allow Meghan and Harry to say what they wanted. She was invited to the wedding but it is hard to believe that she and Meghan were friends while Meghan was a little known actress. They have likely developed a social relationship since Meghan and Harry moved to California.
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What also caught my attention was him saying how much “compassion” he had for them and their plight. It sounded so condescending.

I imagine that portion of the interview didn’t go over well with William and Charles.
Interesting how he expressed that compassion by going out of his way to make their lives and their jobs even more difficult than he supposedly thinks they already are.
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Old 03-15-2021, 11:31 AM
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Great interview with Rose Hulse. She is wise and showed us good insight into her life. Her perspective about the difference between "concerns" and "racism" is a good one, and I believe the member of the royal family who spoke about Archie's skin color was rather "concerned" than actually "racist".
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Life went on, Grammys etc. and H&M are still asking for receipts, wanting the UK foundations but people's attention span is short. What can they do know. Ok, appear at Oscars which will probably happen even though Meghan chose such a victim perspective without the girl power message without it that it'd look very strange back to back. Also they are slowly called liars.
Ok, nevermind.
Do you think the Queen and Charles really are mending the relationship behind the scenes or reeling but making the right pr moves?
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Oprah is a popular, respected former talk show host. She is not a journalist and is generally sympathetic to the people she interview. I find her very likeable but would never use one of her interviews as a basis to form an opinion.

I assumed she did the interview because she would just allow Meghan and Harry to say what they wanted. She was invited to the wedding but it is hard to believe that she and Meghan were friends while Meghan was a little known actress. They have likely developed a social relationship since Meghan and Harry moved to California.

Thanks for explaining. I still wonder whether on the long run this was a good idea. I mean an interview without critical questions. There are so many confusions now, and vagueness that a lot of people do not take them seriously. ( but that might be my dutch perspective)
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Do you think the Queen and Charles really are mending the relationship behind the scenes or reeling but making the right pr moves?
I think the Queen, Charles, and William are truly interested in mending the rift because they love Harry, Archie and Meghan. Family is family. Harry and Meghan haven't killed anyone and according to the yougov poll, the family's popularity as a whole is strong. Regardless, it will be hard for anyone in the family to truly trust Harry and Meghan.
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Life went on, Grammys etc. and H&M are still asking for receipts, wanting the UK foundations but people's attention span is short. What can they do know. Ok, appear at Oscars which will probably happen even though Meghan chose such a victim perspective without the girl power message without it that it'd look very strange back to back. Also they are slowly called liars.
Ok, nevermind.
Do you think the Queen and Charles really are mending the relationship behind the scenes or reeling but making the right pr moves?
I think the Oscars will be virtual this year, I guess they might be asked to be presenters
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I think the Queen, Charles, and William are truly interested in mending the rift because they love Harry, Archie and Meghan. Family is family. Harry and Meghan haven't killed anyone and according to the yougov poll, the family's popularity as a whole is strong. Regardless, it will be hard for anyone in the family to truly trust Harry and Meghan.
Right, they haven't killed anyone but they've damaged trust (and on a global level), which is about the next worst thing you can do. "Love you but don't/can't trust you" is very hard.
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Harry is family to them and the babies are... babies.The senior Royals are not going to blackball them but Meghan is not necessarily going to inspire the same feelings of forgiveness, understanding or welcome back eventually. Harry may love her but no one else in the family is required to want her or around.
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