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Old 03-12-2021, 08:48 AM
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IMHO , Harry has already earned his Netflix fee during that farcical interview with James Cordon . When he stated that he was "way more comfortable with The Crown , than he was with newspaper stories about his wife or family .

He gave them priceless publicity . He did say that it was fictional, loosely based on the truth . However many people take a series like the Crown as truth . The damage was already being done to the image of the BRF before Oprahgate . Harry and Meghan have just compounded this .
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Old 03-12-2021, 09:08 AM
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I'm not going to even try to assess anyone's mental health status or deem what they should do or shouldn't do but all of this that's been aired in that interview being put forth as their "truth", I still do think that airing their negative truths is going to hurt and reflect on anything they propose to go into the future as incentives with Archewell.



How can people actively look at Archewell and the Sussexes as role models for mental health awareness, being kind and compassionate and championing diversity when their actions and words have gone against what they profess to believe in? How does coming out on international television and moaning that the Bank of Daddy has cut him off and they had to take the Netflix and Spotify contracts to stay afloat with what they perceived they needed put their production hopes in a good light? That paints a picture of whatever they produce for these contracts will be of a self serving nature rather than "making a difference".



In order to "give back", you actually have to have something first to give back from.


I would agree theyíve done serious damage to their brand with all this. Itís not kind or compassionate. And if they were getting- and listening to- good advice- this interview and the aftermath never would have happened.

I think they have another narrative problem: Meghan as a strong, independent woman. And my opinion has absolutely nothing to do with her mental health issues to be clear.

Itís that IMO strong independent women arenít vindictive, nasty and making sympathy ploys while trashing everyone in their path.

A real one doesnít need to get on TV and trash their in laws, the institution as a whole, make accusations without back up, discuss private matters publicly, etc.

They donít need to make charges of racism based on a private conversation with a family they never heard and canít even get basic details agreed on, supposedly correct a crying narrative with her sister in law, make up stories about the title issue for their kid, cry about everyone failing her, and basically turning herself into St Meghan.

They also donít talk about having emails- which I now have to agree is exactly what some posters said it was: holding it over the BRFís head.

You also donít trash family/people/staff/an institution that you know will never respond publicly point by point.

I could go on. But Meghan is not IMO an example to emulate in terms of behavior for a woman. As far as Iím concerned, as a woman, this is embarrassing.
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Old 03-12-2021, 09:18 AM
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If Harry's version of the story is true, he strikes me as someone completely naive and unprepared for an independent life. I mean,



It may be the case of course that the version above is not true, that the Netflix and Spotify deals were not "accidental" as Harry says, and that they left the UK with a clear intention to becone truly financially independent (as they claimed BTW at the time and are now somewhat contradicting themselves). l world.
Im inclined to think that it went something like this.. they both wanted out, but Harry had no real idea how to do it.. Meghan said that they would be able to make lots of money in the US.. so off they went to Canada first.. but Harry still had the royal mindset that "someone else would sort things out for him".. and that Dad and the British taxpayer or Can taxpayer would give them free security and an allowance.. as long as they liked.. When Covid struck and then the Canadians pulled the plug on security, they panicked and asked Dad for more money and by now Charles probably was fed up and reminded Harry that he had walked out..to make his own way in the world.
Then they found a rich "Friend" who lent them a house and they moved to LA... but they still had to find a home and did not have an adequate income.. for LA.. so they did the Netflix deal etc...
but so far they haven't produced anyting...
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Old 03-12-2021, 09:37 AM
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I wonder if he (OR maybe Meg too) has the least idea what they will need to do to fulfil the deal...
I dont know what the deal is, but I presume if they don't come up with successful ideas and put them out, Netflix will pull the deal or not renew it and they will look ridiculous. It looks right now as if they have taken an advance but so far have done nothing to earn it...
I presume they pitched a lot of potential ideas to Netflix otherwise they wouldn't have the deal in the first place. The press release was pretty vague.

But how those will translate into a successful documentary series or "event" films is another matter. At one point in envisioned a camera crew out and about with them as they did their charity visits and pseudo royal tours (one reason "half in half out" wouldn't work as they would have probably wanted to commercialise official duties) but I kind of doubt it now.

Netflix has plenty of celebrities showcasing their lifestyles, travelogues and social causes. Will theirs stand out beyond just being from Harry and Meghan? And is that enough to sustain the lifestyle they want?
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Old 03-12-2021, 09:39 AM
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Im inclined to think that it went something like this.. they both wanted out, but Harry had no real idea how to do it.. Meghan said that they would be able to make lots of money in the US.. so off they went to Canada first.. but Harry still had the royal mindset that "someone else would sort things out for him".. and that Dad and the British taxpayer or Can taxpayer would give them free security and an allowance.. as long as they liked.. When Covid struck and then the Canadians pulled the plug on security, they panicked and asked Dad for more money and by now Charles probably was fed up and reminded Harry that he had walked out..to make his own way in the world.
Then they found a rich "Friend" who lent them a house and they moved to LA... but they still had to find a home and did not have an adequate income.. for LA.. so they did the Netflix deal etc...
but so far they haven't produced anyting...
This is very plausible. I doubt they had any solid plans, but they probably considered the possibilities of a Netflix or a similar deal because Netflix has lucrative agreements with politicians, like the Obamas, and other celebrities. Other possibilities include the paid speaker circuit, becoming paid board members of nonprofits (not a lot of work), etc. They can also draw a salary from their charity, it would be limited but still would have given then a few hundred thousand a year.
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Old 03-12-2021, 09:52 AM
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This is very plausible. I doubt they had any solid plans, but they probably considered the possibilities of a Netflix or a similar deal because Netflix has lucrative agreements with politicians, like the Obamas, and other celebrities. Other possibilities include the paid speaker circuit, becoming paid board members of nonprofits (not a lot of work), etc. They can also draw a salary from their charity, it would be limited but still would have given then a few hundred thousand a year.
Its also possible that what they envisioned would have become the perfect reality for them if they had been able to leave as working royals yet retained all the perks of being royal. It's like living at home with mom and dad yet working at a profession where all of your paycheck is free and clear to use as one wants to. No responsibility to provide for oneself.

I don't know anybody that would honestly go out and buy a residence where the Sussexes have unless they absolutely were sure that they could afford and maintain that residence going into the future. Perhaps the grand idea was formulated looking at the income Harry and Meghan had while they were working royals. Didn't they figure in that once they stopped working that the income would also disappear along with the security? Or even the possibility that that may even happen?

As they watch their bank accounts drain, are they going to face the reality that you can only have what you can afford? As I've said before, a ducal title may open doors but it's not going to pay the bills. There's no such thing as a free lunch in the real world or in these times, a free snack even.
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Old 03-12-2021, 09:53 AM
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Meghan wasnít really trying to shed a light on mental illness IMO. The point was to get sympathy and throw the monarchy under the bus. Itís one of the reasons I was annoyed that the White House commented on it.

I think Meghan and Harry are a walking advertisement for what you said about leaving the situation: that it doesnít mean mental issues are magically cured. This interview, their friend being authorized to talk, the emails now leaking donít happen when youíve moved on and are in a good place. This is nasty and vindictive.

There has been speculation for some time in various media forums / press with regards the relationship between the 2 couples.
It varies between, one lot was jealous of the others popularity or one lot was jealous of the others position in the family. Nobody really knew if there was any truth in any of it. Last year at the abbey was the first sign, but it is perfectly clear now that the two women did not get on for whatever reason.
Unfortunately Meghan appears to still hold negative thoughts about the situation and despite her promotion of kindness and compassion it does not stretch to the Cambridges.

Will this have an effect on their brand of kindness and compassion which she clearly fails to demonstrate herself. According to Meghan , Kate sent flowers and a note but she does not appear to want to accept this , it was mentioned in the interview and now the e mails. After 3 years I find this an unhealthy obsession.
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Old 03-12-2021, 10:01 AM
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As they watch their bank accounts drain, are they going to face the reality that you can only have what you can afford? As I've said before, a ducal title may open doors but it's not going to pay the bills. There's no such thing as a free lunch in the real world or in these times, a free snack even.

To be fair, this far they've got their free snacks. It looks to me that they mistook it for free feasting for life.


I really don't get it. What are they playing at? They're ruining their "brand of compassion" for those who matter, aka the ones who might reconsider working with them because they can never be sure what Harry and Meghan will save and twist. They're ruining their mission of sharing by oversharing that they only started it because the Bank of Charles closed. They're ruining their bridges with the royal family because, for all the talks about the Queen extending an olive branch, the RF cannot afford to take them back the way they need - in the highly public, visible way they need to reaffirm their royalty and value to the monarchy. All the time, as people saw concessions and olive branches from the RF, I saw polite but cutting dismissal on a public level which is the one mattering for their brand. And I still think that's what happening. On a personal level, Harry and Archie, and perhaps even Meghan, MIGHT still be beloved members of the family and accepted back but they're detrimental to the monarchy and the RF had been steadily cutting them out of this part. William's comment illustrated it perfectly. Harry simply isn't this important, no matter how loud he shouts. William is goinng to talk to him at some point of the future, when he sees fit. Let them talk, we aren't disturbed at all...



What are they doing? I can only see this as another attempt to force the RF into giving them what they want, financially at least. But with every new disrespect, they're making it impossible for Charles and The Queen to do so because they'll be perceived as caving in.
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Old 03-12-2021, 10:04 AM
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Its also possible that what they envisioned would have become the perfect reality for them if they had been able to leave as working royals yet retained all the perks of being royal. It's like living at home with mom and dad yet working at a profession where all of your paycheck is free and clear to use as one wants to. No responsibility to provide for oneself.

I don't know anybody that would honestly go out and buy a residence where the Sussexes have unless they absolutely were sure that they could afford and maintain that residence going into the future. Perhaps the grand idea was formulated looking at the income Harry and Meghan had while they were working royals. Didn't they figure in that once they stopped working that the income would also disappear along with the security? Or even the possibility that that may even happen?

As they watch their bank accounts drain, are they going to face the reality that you can only have what you can afford? As I've said before, a ducal title may open doors but it's not going to pay the bills. There's no such thing as a free lunch in the real world or in these times, a free snack even.
They bought the residence after they made the Netflix deal, so they had reason to think they could afford it. We don't know what their financial situation is right now. The stock market is soaring. They also could be wrapping up a Netflix production as we speak, although I heard about that by now. It also occurred to me that they are working with Oprah, who has a lot of production experience, to develop some program ideas. Although as I posted earlier, if they had been smart, they would have produced the interview for Netflix rather than give it to Harpo.
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Old 03-12-2021, 10:08 AM
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I presume they pitched a lot of potential ideas to Netflix otherwise they wouldn't have the deal in the first place. The press release was pretty vague.

But how those will translate into a successful documentary series or "event" films is another matter. At one point in envisioned a camera crew out and about with them as they did their charity visits and pseudo royal tours (one reason "half in half out" wouldn't work as they would have probably wanted to commercialise official duties) but I kind of doubt it now.

Netflix has plenty of celebrities showcasing their lifestyles, travelogues and social causes. Will theirs stand out beyond just being from Harry and Meghan? And is that enough to sustain the lifestyle they want?
I dont watch anything like that but does that mean that they might (when Covid fades away) have a camera crew following htem as they take A to school, do the odd charity engagement.. go skiing etc?? it doesnt sound all that interesting.. and Im surprised that they'd get money for that. I thought that they'd make programmes about issues or docu dramas or dramas written by professioinal writers and acted by pro actors...
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Old 03-12-2021, 10:15 AM
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Old 03-12-2021, 10:16 AM
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I'm not sure where they're going to go from here. They've turned everything into a bit of a circus now. Are people going to want them to address conferences on serious subjects, knowing that the press are going to be hoping for a bit of sniping about the Royal Family rather than a speech about climate change or supporting disadvantaged children? OK, some organisations might welcome them as clickbait, but more serious ones probably won't.
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Old 03-12-2021, 10:17 AM
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I dont watch anything like that but does that mean that they might (when Covid fades away) have a camera crew following htem as they take A to school, do the odd charity engagement.. go skiing etc?? it doesnt sound all that interesting.. and Im surprised that they'd get money for that. I thought that they'd make programmes about issues or docu dramas or dramas written by professioinal writers and acted by pro actors...
Actually I didn't think of cameras following around, which might appeal to some. I thought they are expect to produce documentaries on the environment, health and wellness, landmines, etc.
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Old 03-12-2021, 10:39 AM
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Actually I didn't think of cameras following around, which might appeal to some. I thought they are expect to produce documentaries on the environment, health and wellness, landmines, etc.
They said they have no plans to produce a reality show about their daily lives ( like cameras following them around).

In addition to the documentaries you mentioned, they said they are interested in children programming, including animated movies.
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Old 03-12-2021, 10:43 AM
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Actually I didn't think of cameras following around, which might appeal to some. I thought they are expect to produce documentaries on the environment, health and wellness, landmines, etc.
I don't know as I don't watch most recent TV.. but honestly i cant' see loads of people watching stuff about the environment or health problems for long....
Its not exactly thrilling is it? The only interest would be that it is "Meghan and Harry" talking about the dangers of plastics or landmines or what have you..and I can't see that being a long lasting interest for tv watchers...

If they do charity tours, like "semi royals" there might be some draw in that, if they were in Africa.. but last time they did that, they ruined their good work by complaining about their own hard lives...
I just wonder what they are going to make programmes about. I thought that it would be some stuff about their charity work and perhaps documentaries on say the experiences of African Americans or immigrants in the US or the UK,,,
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I just can't see either of them coming up with anything interesting or worthwhile - that would require far more intelligence than either have displayed up to this point in time.
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Old 03-12-2021, 11:17 AM
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I just can't see either of them coming up with anything interesting or worthwhile - that would require far more intelligence than either have displayed up to this point in time.
I am inclined to agree but presumably Netflix is taking a chance that for now, their names will sell programmes even if they are not up to much.. but IMO if they dont start to deliver, Netflix be asking for the money back or at least refusing to renew the deal...
and from what Har has said, it sounds as if he kind of blundered desperately into the deals out of fear that he'd run out of money.. so how much commitment has he got to the idea of working for a living or making some money...
Its as if he thinks that someone will help him out somehow, and give him money..
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Old 03-12-2021, 11:24 AM
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When someone is in the business of "making a difference" and helping other people to find help and solutions for issues they're experiencing, it didn't help the Sussex goal of promoting mental health by Meghan just elaborating on what she felt and what she was experiencing (which, btw, I take as valid). She was having issues getting help she felt she needed. She left it there. She didn't go anywhere near what she *did* do to solve her mental health issues. Do they still exist? Have they dissipated? Is she still suffering mentally because of what she experienced and is she talking to a professional at all?

She did a good job of throwing the blame on others for not listening and providing help when needed but there were no solutions mentioned at all. It all stopped after the accusations against others not doing anything for her. What did she then do for herself? What did Harry do? Was the move away from the "toxic environment" the cure or was it actually running away from the core issues? None of these answers were provided. We just were given the stone wall that Meghan perceived she ran into. Big, bad stone wall did it.

When someone is sitting on the pity pot, that pot gets awfully comfortable.
I agree to an extent that I would have asked alot more questions about her mental health- especially since she made a big deal about suicidal and not getting the help she needed at that time. I wanted to know how did she get help? Is she in therapy?..etc..etc.

I disagree about the spirit of Archewell being at odds with the couple's. I don't believe they're bad people with no good intentions and as such cannot have a philanthropic foundation.
I believe they felt terribly disappointed and hurt at the treatment they received being senior members of the royal family. They never threw anyone under the bus- they simply explained how they felt and their version of the events- their "truths".
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Old 03-12-2021, 11:31 AM
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Its as if he thinks that someone will help him out somehow, and give him money..
I don't see that happening at all. If things did get really dire and everything falls apart for the Sussexes, I can see Charles stepping in but with very stringent conditions such as returning to the UK and living relatively like Andrew is at Frogmore Cottage. Stay out of sight and out of the public eye and I'll provide you with the necessities kind of thing. Anything related to the monarchy would be totally out for the couple.

Somehow though, I don't see Harry and Meghan meekly accepting those kind of terms at all. Harry may want to but I don't think Meghan would.

Let's just hope that this couple does go on to be self sustainable and make their own way in the world nicely and raise their family happily in California with no further mud slinging about the way things were. They've done enough in that vein.
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I just can't see either of them coming up with anything interesting or worthwhile - that would require far more intelligence than either have displayed up to this point in time.
On the contrary, Meghan is quite intelligent and could create and/or produce documentaries or docuseries on a wide variety of topics from women's rights (she's been advocating since she was a pre-teen), homelessness, blindness...etc. Harry can capitalize off his veteran and combat experience by doing similar things on war, combat, veterans...and that is just the beginning!
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