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Old 03-13-2021, 10:35 AM
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Bottom line- Harry and Meghan knew they could say whatever they wanted, and Oprah wouldn’t really challenge anything. She’s a TV host. This wasn’t Leslie Stahl on 60 Minutes. (who I imagine has better things to do anyway then interview these entitled whiners).

They also knew that anyone pointing out lies, misstatements, obvious twisting of events in the aftermath would not be read or heard by the majority of the audience.

Exactly. Especially Harry's past with racist remarks comes to my mind, using the P word but 'without malice' or wearing a Nazi outfit to a costume party, when he was still under the influence of his bad family and Meghan had not woken him
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Old 03-13-2021, 10:37 AM
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Yeah. I saw that headline too. All those emails proved to me was how obsessed she was with media coverage, the Catherine one in particular, and that she highly likely was difficult to work for. It doesn’t prove her version was totally true. Why because she said so in an email?

Here’s a thought: maybe Meghan convinced herself her version happened just that way. She wouldn’t be the first person to do that. But- no- that email proves nothing in and of itself about what actually happened.
Alas, to me it proved something sad as well: the utter lack of any critical thought where Harry and Meghan are concerned. It's a misleading headline at its best. No way journalists didn't know what you and I saw immediately - that an email sent in January 2020 only proved that Meghan sent an email in January 2020 claiming that something happened. All respect to you but from your posts I wasn't left with the impression that you worked in a media - I apologise if I'm wrong. I certainly don't work in one. And yet we saw the email for what it was. The media, though, took it at face value and ran with it. That, by itself, shifts the narrative against the RF and in Harry and Meghan's favour.
BTW, was the email truly leaked? Given the source - Scobie, - I'd rather think that they gave it to him quite happily.
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Old 03-13-2021, 10:43 AM
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Have to say the emails just make me thing less of Meghan. She was obsessed with the Royal Household getting involved in a personal Family issue, it does add evidence to the idea she was obsessed with Catherine and any coverage comparing them IMO. I wonder if H&M are starting to believe their own hype too much, they need to be careful what they release as they may well trip themselves up
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Old 03-13-2021, 10:56 AM
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There was a definite push from BP about Meghan been the first non- European to marry into the family. If I am not mistaken that would have been one of the Harewood's? SO essentially the palace drew that distinction themselves.

Personally I felt the whole interview was M&H attempting to establish themselves as the owners of the mental health and racism portfolio. Essentially the royals cannot say anything about the issues as this is what they did to us - we are the authorities on those issues in the royal world. Question - I sincerely doubt William and Harry were the first brutish royals to talk about mental health. But since they are the ones that spearheaded it into the public spotlight - why cant both the Cambridge's and the Sussex's work on it - it is not as it there is a limited need for the cause.
As far as racisms is concerned - I don't think any senior royal will touch it now - they might do an engagement here and there.
The first non-European to marry into the BRF was Wallis Simpson of Baltimore, MD.
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Old 03-13-2021, 11:15 AM
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I was defending them on this board literally hours before the January 2020 announcement was posted. After that I avoided a lot of coverage and decompressed on Royal Watching for a while before examining everything and coming up with less than sympathetic conclusions to the H&M demands.

I was delighted when they announced their engagement because even though it was a whirlwind romance I thought there was no way and "independent woman in her mid 30s" who had been married before and done all this amazing stuff could possibly fail to do her research or be silly enough to believe it was a fairy tale situation.

I still thought they were genuine in their intentions for quite a while. But not really any more.

Autumn Kelly was also a Canadian of Irish Catholic origin. She also claimed she had no idea who Peter Philips was when they started dating and people didn't believe her either, despite him being much lower profile. She would have had very little reason to be knowledgeable about the workings of the monarchy or UK culture but they took their relationship slowly. And yes there was much less pressure.

The email of Jan 2020 was when they had already announced they'd left and you can say she was "leaving a paper trail" as she seems to have deliberately done all throughout her time there. It doesn't prove the initial incident happens as she said it did and it doesn't have anything to do with Kate's side at all. Let alone any replies from the palace or discussion about it. I think anyone who interacts with her should be cautious in case she has a falling out with you and out of context "proof" is held over your head.

I wonder if she identifies the Kate story as the start of the time of bad press, even though it only truly kicked into high gear with the baby shower?
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Old 03-13-2021, 11:57 AM
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I wonder if Netflix and Spotify are wondering what and who they have gotten in bed with.
I would be.

Personally I would be looking into a way to get out of those contracts. People who like making public accusation usually make a profession of it.
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Old 03-13-2021, 12:01 PM
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Well.... one thing Netflix may be eyeballing is a good storyline for an entire season of "The Crown". Wonder if Meghan would play herself?

If we thought they really did a hatchet job on the Diana years and badly portrayed Charles, imagine what they could do with the Sussex years?
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Old 03-13-2021, 12:06 PM
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I wonder if Netflix and Spotify are wondering what and who they have gotten in bed with.
I would be.

Personally I would be looking into a way to get out of those contracts. People who like making public accusation usually make a profession of it.

Seeing their poll numbers in the UK plummet from already hardly high places I would be worried- but both are also huge international companies and may be happy to take the risk for their American market even if they don’t publicise H&M content anywhere near as much in the UK
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Old 03-13-2021, 12:23 PM
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Alas, to me it proved something sad as well: the utter lack of any critical thought where Harry and Meghan are concerned. It's a misleading headline at its best. No way journalists didn't know what you and I saw immediately - that an email sent in January 2020 only proved that Meghan sent an email in January 2020 claiming that something happened. All respect to you but from your posts I wasn't left with the impression that you worked in a media - I apologise if I'm wrong. I certainly don't work in one. And yet we saw the email for what it was. The media, though, took it at face value and ran with it. That, by itself, shifts the narrative against the RF and in Harry and Meghan's favour.
BTW, was the email truly leaked? Given the source - Scobie, - I'd rather think that they gave it to him quite happily.


I’m not in the media. You are correct.

The media was looking to generate headlines. But not honest ones.

When I first clicked on the Scobie article- someone here posted the link- I thought there was going to something relevant in the emails. I was pretty surprised that it was just Meghan obsessing about the Catherine story and how she’d supposedly been wronged. Nothing there .

I thought- and said here- there is no value add to this. The email proves nothing. But- I was wrong. The value add is that Meghan knew what the headlines would say.

I’m sure Meghan gave Scobie the email. He seems to be a favorite mouthpiece. You could make the argument that Meghan wrote the email in January 2020 with the intent of using it as “proof” later.
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Old 03-13-2021, 12:25 PM
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I wonder if Netflix and Spotify are wondering what and who they have gotten in bed with.
I would be.

Personally I would be looking into a way to get out of those contracts. Peop who like making public accusation usually make a profession of it.
I doubt that Netflix and Spotify can get out of the contacts, they are usually iron-clad. Unless M&H attorneys screwed-up. As I said, previously, we don't know anything about the contacts.
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Old 03-13-2021, 12:32 PM
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I thought- and said here- there is no value add to this. The email proves nothing. But- I was wrong. The value add is that Meghan knew what the headlines would say.
There was absolutely no wisdom to be found in that email and all it proves is that its um... an email. Coming out with all guns blazing shows a serious lack of clear thinking and reminds me of something Abraham Lincoln said once upon a time. "It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt."
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Old 03-13-2021, 12:35 PM
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I doubt that Netflix and Spotify can get out of the contacts, they are usually iron-clad. Unless M&H attorneys screwed-up. As I said, previously, we don't know anything about the contacts.
The way I understand how these contracts work is it is basically a first look deal. So, Netflix has the right of first refusal. If they don’t want to buy whatever H&M are selling them, then H&M are free to shop their product around. So, the easiest way out for them in this scenario would be refusing to purchase whatever H&M provide them. That is if H&M every get around to creating anything
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Old 03-13-2021, 12:46 PM
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I don't remember people even thinking that the "she made Kate cry" story was such a big deal at the time. Tempers do tend to get fraught over wedding arrangements, and people do get upset. Unless I've misunderstood, the argument was over whether or not the bridesmaids should wear tights. It wasn't as if anyone was alleged to have made a hurtful personal remark. I really don't think that anyone started thinking badly of either Kate or Meghan because of an alleged spat over little kids wearing tights. It was just one of those storm in a teacup things.
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Old 03-13-2021, 12:53 PM
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Meghan has been bashed by the UK press for four years for various reasons. Race did play a role. Adding on weaponizing Meghan's disgruntled and greedy relatives... Add this into the mix:

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/03/12/u...mpression=true

Black British journalists and some Black Britons of note have come on US news programs and backed up the aura of racism.
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Old 03-13-2021, 12:55 PM
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The repeat of the interview on CBS drew an 0.4 rating and 3-3.2 million viewers last night.

Which is roughly the same/below their usual Friday night line up.

So the buzz in the US didn't inspire many extra people to check it out who hadn't already via Paramount +.

https://www.spoilertv.com/2021/03/ra...arch-2021.html
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As a subscription streaming service, Netflix doesn't need every program to be a blockbuster. Even if the content is not great, and it could be, Harry and Meghan are high profile and generate publicity.

I keep wondering why, if Meghan was so concerned about the Kate story, she didn't use Scobie to set the record straight in Finding Freedom. It makes me doubt the veracity of her claim.

Unfortunately, Harry and Meghan have lobbed an unexploded bomb into the royal family. Sooner or later, the name will be disclosed or leaked out. The only way Harry can fix this is to admit that he exaggerated when he told Meghan about the comment. I am not holding my breath but it's possible if Harry truly cares about his family and has a conscience.
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Old 03-13-2021, 01:18 PM
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And the DM has this up this morning;
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ent-truth.html
Dang... That DM article - for all the legitimate criticism about the DM's sensationalistic reporting and tactics - that's a pretty fair round-up of all the "truth" Harry & Meghan told us in that interview.
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Old 03-13-2021, 01:21 PM
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try this, I don't know if this will work in you country
https://www.cbs.com/shows/oprah-with...etime-special/
Thank you, but it says that 'this item is not available in your country'...
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Old 03-13-2021, 01:32 PM
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The way I understand how these contracts work is it is basically a first look deal. So, Netflix has the right of first refusal. If they don’t want to buy whatever H&M are selling them, then H&M are free to shop their product around. So, the easiest way out for them in this scenario would be refusing to purchase whatever H&M provide them. That is if H&M every get around to creating anything
So what did Netflix paid them 100 million for?
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Old 03-13-2021, 01:50 PM
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Don't quote me on this but I don't think the entire value of the contract was handed to Harry and Meghan in cash. Perhaps they've received what someone here has referred to "seed money", an advance to get started with to develop something that Netflix would be interested in? With the pandemic, it's also possible that because of it, they've not started actual production on anything yet. We just don't know anything other than they've signed a contract.
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