The Duke and Duchess of Sussex and Family, News and Events 1: September-December 2020

[muriel]

Originally Posted by US Royal Watcher

I think I understand why people think the photographs were self-serving but throughout his life, Harry has demonstrated a genuine appreciation of the sacrifices made by those who gave their lives in the service of their country. However, perhaps I missed a post, but do you think you would feel differently if he were living in Canada (a commonwealth country) or Wales or Scotland?

In my opinion, he is still a public figure and a member of the royal family. I don't see anything wrong with him sending a public signal of his continued commitment to honoring the memories of his nation's heroes - even if he doesn't live in a commonwealth country.

To me it does not matter where he lives. The point being discussed is not that Harry chose to mark the occasion, that is credible in itself. It is that he choose to have himself photographed doing so, and proactively had his office reach out and send the pictures to the media.

[Claire]

The whole thing was probably so Harry could get on the All-Star Stand up for Heroes TV special, which is now has.

[Osipi]

Originally Posted by TLLK

Agreed. While I believe that the Sussexes decision to lay a wreath and a couple of bouquets was acceptable. However it is their decision to take and release several photographs of themselves that makes me uncomfortable. IMHO one or two photos would have been sufficient but releasing seven photos is excessive.

I would have had a different opinion on Harry and Meghan's wreath laying trip to the LA cemetery if it had even a shred of humility to it and actually focused on the meaning of Remembrance Sunday to them. How hard would it have been to go, lay a wreath and then release a photograph of the wreath itself with Harry's message and note that Harry and Meghan did this the next day *after* the publicity from the UK Remembrance Sunday at the Cenotaph had passed?

To me, that would have shown the world they remembered and observed the day in their own way privately. A whole slew of photographs of the two of them all dressed up and posing created the impression it was all about them and not the meaning of Remembrance Sunday.

I just think they could have done it differently and toned down more.

[Alison H]

I don't think anyone has the slightest problem with Harry and Meghan marking Remembrance Sunday. As other people have said, a picture of the wreath would have been fine. But no-one posts social media photos of "Hey, this is me laying a wreath to mark Remembrance Sunday". Some celebs, and other people, post pictures of anything and everything - "Hey, this is me potty training my kid" springs to mind - but not of laying a wreath on Remembrance Sunday. It's just not appropriate, unless it's of a public ceremony.

[Durham]

Originally Posted by Alison H

I don't think anyone has the slightest problem with Harry and Meghan marking Remembrance Sunday. As other people have said, a picture of the wreath would have been fine. But no-one posts social media photos of "Hey, this is me laying a wreath to mark Remembrance Sunday". Some celebs, and other people, post pictures of anything and everything - "Hey, this is me potty training my kid" springs to mind - but not of laying a wreath on Remembrance Sunday. It's just not appropriate, unless it's of a public ceremony.

A point made by almost all the British posters on this forum. Remembrance Sunday is about as close as we get in Britain to a sacred national event when absolutely nothing else matters except sad & solemn reflection on unimaginable loss & sacrifice.

"We are the Dead. Short days ago
We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
Loved, and were loved, and now we lie
In Flanders fields......

If ye break faith with us who die
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
In Flanders fields."

[Betsypaige]

Originally Posted by US Royal Watcher

I think I understand why people think the photographs were self-serving but throughout his life, Harry has demonstrated a genuine appreciation of the sacrifices made by those who gave their lives in the service of their country. However, perhaps I missed a post, but do you think you would feel differently if he were living in Canada (a commonwealth country) or Wales or Scotland?

In my opinion, he is still a public figure and a member of the royal family. I don't see anything wrong with him sending a public signal of his continued commitment to honoring the memories of his nation's heroes - even if he doesn't live in a commonwealth country.

I can’t speak for anyone else, but this makes me seriously question anything that they’ve done. I’m no longer going to preface my criticisms with “I know Harry is sincere, I know he genuinely cares” because that’s besides the point. A LOT of people care, but they don’t take selfies or have friends/family take photos at gravesites on such days, later on posting them on social media (or having them published) so that they can show everyone who follows them that they CARE. If H and M were primarily concerned with paying tribute to the war dead, they’d have done it on their own, without anyone knowing about it. Going back to my first comment, it explains why these two are always lecturing people on the hot button topic of the day....however much they may care, it’s about appearances for them.

[Betsypaige]

Originally Posted by Durham

A point made by almost all the British posters on this forum. Remembrance Sunday is about as close as we get in Britain to a sacred national event when absolutely nothing else matters except sad & solemn reflection on unimaginable loss & sacrifice.

"We are the Dead. Short days ago
We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
Loved, and were loved, and now we lie
In Flanders fields......

If ye break faith with us who die
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
In Flanders fields."

You don’t have to be British to be disgusted with this behavior and to understand what Remembrance Day is about - every country has their own version. I remember our soon to be ex-President tweeting “Happy Memorial Day”, proving be didn’t understand (shock!!) what the day is about. Actually, I think Remembrance Sunday is a far more solemn occasion than Memorial Day; we seem to have made our National day of mourning into an excuse for a long holiday.

[angieuk]

Here lie the ruins of their reputation: By turning Remembrance Sunday into their own photo-op, blundering ghouls Prince Harry and Meghan Markle have reached a new low

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/a...e-mistake.html

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/a...xpendable.html

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/a...ys-hottie.html

[Durham]

Originally Posted by Betsypaige

You don’t have to be British to be disgusted with this behavior and to understand what Remembrance Day is about - every country has their own version.

Yes I understand.

[ACO]

The Daily Mail attacking the Sussexes hardly is new. That is really a daily event.

[Durham]

Originally Posted by ACO

The Daily Mail attacking the Sussexes hardly is new. That is really a daily event.

Well for once they do have a point - with the first article.

[Osipi]

Originally Posted by angieuk

Here lie the ruins of their reputation: By turning Remembrance Sunday into their own photo-op, blundering ghouls Prince Harry and Meghan Markle have reached a new low

I sincerely believe that the more things like this happen, the more the Sussexes are doing to underline the cold, hard fact that no matter how hard they try, they're not now and never will be on par with the Royal Family and the monarchy in the UK ever again. It almost seems as they're trying to hard to build up a brand that reeks British Royalty - The Sequel and its failing miserably.

It's actually almost on par with turning Harry and Meghan into BRF stans that want to be just like them, act like them and do the things that the BRF do but never seem to get it right. Isn't that actually what they actually walked away from in the first place? Isn't that why they did an "exit stage left" and moved to the US? To do things differently? So far, I don't see it working well for them.

No matter how hard one tries, being an imitation of the original will never surpass the value of the original.

[Denville]

Originally Posted by US Royal Watcher

I think I understand why people think the photographs were self-serving but throughout his life, Harry has demonstrated a genuine appreciation of the sacrifices made by those who gave their lives in the service of their country. However, perhaps I missed a post, but do you think you would feel differently if he were living in Canada (a commonwealth country) or Wales or Scotland?

In my opinion, he is still a public figure and a member of the royal family. I don't see anything wrong with him sending a public signal of his continued commitment to honoring the memories of his nation's heroes - even if he doesn't live in a commonwealth country.

But he isn't a member of the RF.. He's a member of the Queen's family but not a working royal any more by his choice.

[irish_royalist]

Originally Posted by ACO

The Daily Mail attacking the Sussexes hardly is new. That is really a daily event.

I think the Daily Mail hit the nail on the head on this occasion, referring to the photographs as Harry and Meghan's 'cemetery photoshoot'

[Betsypaige]

Originally Posted by Durham

Yes I understand.

I think the Daily Mail hit the nail on the head on this occasion, referring to the photographs as Harry and Meghan's 'cemetery photoshoot'

They did....I mean, that’s exactly what it was. This isn’t about the DM, as they are hardly the only media to criticize Harry and Meghan. This isn’t about the media at all, but about the Sussexes...

[RandyDrx]

Harry and his PR can say that he enjoys life in California as much as he wants. But it's quite clear that in the past few months when he reportedly told his friends 'how his life has been turned upside down' after moving to the US, and was devastated to give up his post as Captain General of The Royal Marines, as well as being saddened for not having his wreath laid at Cenotaph, that he really missed life in the UK.

[Denville]

Originally Posted by RandyDrx

Harry and his PR can say that he enjoys life in California as much as he wants. But it's quite clear that in the past few months when he reportedly told his friends 'how his life has been turned upside down' after moving to the US, and was devastated to give up his post as Captain General of The Royal Marines, as well as being saddened for not having his wreath laid at Cenotaph, that he really missed life in the UK.

And he can miss the UK All he wants but if he wants the marriage to work he's stuck in California... (Unless the money making goes awry and then they'll come back).

[ashelen]

I would like to know what his and hers birth chart say. Wasn't and Astrologist predicted long ago that one of Diana's children would divorce? I believe would be Harry is this is true. I am sure had not been easy for him in the US. It will be almost a year that defected the UK. Wonder what is his thoughts now after all this time.

[evolvingdoors]

Originally Posted by MARG

I believe the "Harry's wreath" story is totally bogus and just meant to cause him further grief. Harry grew up in the BRF and being who he is I think he couldn't wait to be old enough to perform what he considers to be a Sacred Duty.

No one is going to convince me that Harry doesn't know who and what every single wreath is laid for. Harry's Wreath is just one more vicious canard intended to keep the perception of Harry's co-called arrogant entitlement to the forefront.

As to Harry and Meghan visiting the military cemetery on Remembrance Day? Well that's a no-brainer as he has marked Remembrance Day every year of his life one way or another. Leaving the UK doesn't change who he is and what he believes.

Well if this is bogus, why hasn't Harry send his lawyers like he did with the IG article?
It's now Tuesday evening where i'm at, so a full two days since this exclusive was posted, and still nothing from his lawyers.

And Harry may know that info (but may not have understood that now as a non working royal this is not something he can do), but I doubt Meghan and his now american PR know or gets it, and no doubt they would be fine using it to try and garner sympathy. The fact their US fans and mouthpieces are just as ignorant about this issue was probably a plus for them to stoke the flames.
Honestly they need to get someone who understands royal work to make them stop from doing this kind of stupid moves.
There was a much better and honorable way of doing this, the way they did it, was not it.

Originally Posted by RandyDrx

Harry and his PR can say that he enjoys life in California as much as he wants. But it's quite clear that in the past few months when he reportedly told his friends 'how his life has been turned upside down' after moving to the US, and was devastated to give up his post as Captain General of The Royal Marines, as well as being saddened for not having his wreath laid at Cenotaph, that he really missed life in the UK.

How does the saying goes: you don't know what you have until it's gone?

[Denville]

Meghan doesn't care that they are doing things "the wrong way", or that she's annoying the British public.. and possibly Harry doesn't care either. They are going to go their own way, and get as much publicity as they can.