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Old 11-09-2020, 01:12 PM
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This along with the issue of an official photograph a couple of weeks ago all reeks of setting themselves up as BRF in the U S A .
It was the photograph that people thought Meghan was wearing Diana's ring on her pinkie.
This is what Meghan wanted all along, links to the family when it suits them, otherwise doing their own thing.
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Old 11-09-2020, 01:19 PM
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They tried to look like they were in England , just Meghan didn't have a hat. All the rest the same. He wanted to have the best of both words and this is not possible

This is what I thought too. In Harry's mind he was at the Cenotaph, just like in the good old days when he was important. They look like aliens in the wrong movie.Too bad the hat is missing, it would have been the epitome of cringeworthyness. To honor the dead as a private person but bringing a photographer along speaks for itself, no further comment necessary.
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Old 11-09-2020, 01:33 PM
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This along with the issue of an official photograph a couple of weeks ago all reeks of setting themselves up as BRF in the U S A .
It was the photograph that people thought Meghan was wearing Diana's ring on her pinkie.
This is what Meghan wanted all along, links to the family when it suits them, otherwise doing their own thing.
Except they haven't really got links have they? If they DID ask for a wreath to be placed and were refused, then it was a kind of rebuff. It was saying to them "No you're not part of the RF any more.. you chose to leave and you're out". And the more that they act in the way that they are acting, I think the more the RF will give them a cool response...Im not saying they're going to be shunned like the Windsors but - there will be more rebuffs and coolness
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Old 11-09-2020, 01:35 PM
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The black and white photo last month of Harry and Meghan wasn't an official photo at all, but was taken to mark their appearance on the Time 100 TV show.

By the way, which man in grey at the Palace dropped the delightful little titbit into the maw of the Times about Harry's wreath not being allowed to be laid, thereby publicly humiliating and hurting a man who has done more for veterans than any Palace Manderin ever dreamed of.

A nice kindly gesture that and worthy of what Lacey described as a cadre at BP who hated Meghan from the beginning and were determined to let the Sussexes 'know their place'. If it was any of the senior courtiers around the Queen, no wonder they didn't want to let her know.
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Old 11-09-2020, 02:02 PM
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I really don't get it. Veteran's Day is 11/11, Wednesday in America so why not wait? It just seems they did this to get attention or upstage the Royal family. No one in America celebrates Remembrance Day. I wish they could lose their Dukedom here in America. Why did they need cameras there? Seems like a random photo op to get attention and they always claim to want "PRIVACY!"
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Old 11-09-2020, 02:03 PM
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By the way, Arthur Edwards, photographer for the Sun newspaper, a tabloid, was allowed to lay a wreath at the ceremony, on behalf of readers of the newspaper, who had contributed to the Poppy Appeal.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/131429...smaller-covid/

The Sun editors, no friends of Harry and Meghan, must have been highly delighted that their representative was allowed to place a wreath but Prince Harry wasn't.
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Old 11-09-2020, 02:34 PM
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I have a different view on it being nothing to do with the British people. I would also like to put in a reminder the posters were saying on the forums that they left because it had been made clear there was no place for them, no role for them to play, so they left. The photo of the 4 had been the last straw etc etc, yet here we are now saying Charles has asked them to wait and they will get back.
All the evidence points towards a role being specifically created for them mostly focused on the Commonwealth, so while some might have speculated otherwise, the evidence does not support it.
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Old 11-09-2020, 02:51 PM
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By the way, which man in grey at the Palace dropped the delightful little titbit into the maw of the Times about Harry's wreath not being allowed to be laid, thereby publicly humiliating and hurting a man who has done more for veterans than any Palace Manderin ever dreamed of.

It could just as easily been Harry and Meghan's team who leaked the story. After all, they would need to do so if they wanted to marshall some public attention for their own tribute.

I see both sides of this debate, but in the end, if it was a grey suit who made the decision, then they are nothing if not consistent.
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Old 11-09-2020, 02:57 PM
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The story of Harry not being allowed to lay a wreath appeared in a Times article by Royal Correspendent Roya Nikkah, so whoever leaked that titbit it certainly wouldn't have been the Sussexes.
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Old 11-09-2020, 03:19 PM
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By the way, Arthur Edwards, photographer for the Sun newspaper, a tabloid, was allowed to lay a wreath at the ceremony, on behalf of readers of the newspaper, who had contributed to the Poppy Appeal.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/131429...smaller-covid/

The Sun editors, no friends of Harry and Meghan, must have been highly delighted that their representative was allowed to place a wreath but Prince Harry wasn't.
The Sun had the front page story that Harry was devastated by "wreath Snub gate" this morning, they've been fairly neutral on which side they're on so far except announcing another turn in The Rift.

Arthur Edwards laying a wreath on behalf of The Sun which has been a big driving force for the Poppy Appeal going ahead this year doesn't really have much to do with whether or not Harry should have had one laid on his behalf. Allegedly he was the only member of the public allowed the honour. It also wasn't included in the broadcast, which is partly what Harry seems to have wanted given the several photos.

The Duke of Gloucester was absent and a wreath wasn't laid on his behalf. If he wishes to do so on Wednesday or somewhere else that's his prerogative, just as it is Harry's, however I don't think he's going to be making a song and dance about it, whatever happens.

We also don't know if William, Charles or a close friend would have privately laid his expensive wreath somewhere if he had asked, away from all the publicity.

I believe Harry has done a lot of good for veterans and does sincerely care but I also think that the leak to a sympathetic journalist laying the blame squarely at "the men in grey" that were the target in the Scobie book combined with photos then being timed to make the papers is the thing that has made more of a mockery of it than anything else. It's "Lest we forget them"
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Old 11-09-2020, 03:44 PM
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What 'leak to a sympathetic journalist'? What, about Harry's wreath being refused? That appeared in an article by Roya Nikkah in the Times. I can't imagine that Roya is sympathetic to the Sussexes!

The little snipe about the wreath was leaked by BP men in grey to emphasise how apart Harry is from the rest of the Royal Family, the family's black sheep and outlaw. I don't believe that was a friendly gesture in any way, shape or form.

It may have backfired however, as some sympathy for Harry has been expressed on Twitter and by various commenters such as on Loose Women.
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Old 11-09-2020, 03:57 PM
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I think we need to be clear here and not let emotions get in the way.

Was Harry told he couldn’t lay a wreath at all or was he told that no one would lay one for him in the main ceremony, e.g after Charles and William? If Harry wanted to call and ask someone within his circle of military friends to lay one the outcome may have been different. The Palace may even had helped facilitate it. The Palace had no choice but turn down a request for any wreath from Harry to be laid in the main service as otherwise it would open the floodgates for Andrew, Prince Michael, heck even Beatrice, Eugenie, and Princess Alexandra to do the same.

Until we know that we don’t know the truth and can’t make judgements.

In regards as to who leaked about the requests, I would say there is as much evidence (if not more) it was H&M as it being BP.
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Old 11-09-2020, 04:04 PM
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I think we need to be clear here and not let emotions get in the way.

Was Harry told he couldn’t lay a wreath at all or was he told that no one would lay one for him in the main ceremony, e.g after Charles and William? If Harry wanted to call and ask someone within his circle of military friends to lay one the outcome may have been different. The Palace may even had helped facilitate it. The Palace had no choice but turn down a request for any wreath from Harry to be laid in the main service as otherwise it would open the floodgates for Andrew, Prince Michael, heck even Beatrice, Eugenie, and Princess Alexandra to do the same.

Until we know that we don’t know the truth and can’t make judgements.
I doubt if he asked.. I know he's not brihgt but he must have realised that he could not be part of the remembrance as an ex owrking Royal. This story has probalby been leaked or floated to make it look like the Hearltless palace wouldlnt let him lay a wreath....
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Old 11-09-2020, 04:16 PM
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In that case, the Times and Royal correspondent Nikkah, the source of the original story about the wreath, must have done a huge U turn in regard to their attitude to the Sussexes since March. The newspaper has been 100% negative to Harry and Meghan since they left.
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Old 11-09-2020, 04:47 PM
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It is intriguing to think how this came about IMO. Certainly it does not seem very "Harry" to do it like this. Yes the going to the cemetery and paying respects but not the taking an official photographer. I raise this not as an attempt to get Meghan attacked but to make a point - if Sunshine Sachs are the only people advising them I do hope that soon H&M realise having a PR company be your only advisers is never going to work out.

I think this is a real sad turn of events, whether purposefully or just by chance and poor judgement setting up a "rival" event to the RF is never going to go down well. Doing it to overshadow the Cenotaph service on Remembrance Sunday will IMO devastate the Queen Philip, Charles and William who all take their military duties (even just honoury ones) seriously.
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Old 11-09-2020, 04:52 PM
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In that case, the Times and Royal correspondent Nikkah, the source of the original story about the wreath, must have done a huge U turn in regard to their attitude to the Sussexes since March. The newspaper has been 100% negative to Harry and Meghan since they left.
Papers change their POV quite often, whether temporarily or permanently.. THey want a story and the first Rem Sunday since they left.. was probably boudn to be seen as an opportunity to write a story
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Old 11-09-2020, 05:18 PM
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Harry has always taken his military duties, not just honorary ones, incredibly seriously, so the Queen, Charles etc certainly aren't alone in that respect.
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Old 11-09-2020, 05:31 PM
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Papers change their POV quite often, whether temporarily or permanently.. THey want a story and the first Rem Sunday since they left.. was probably boudn to be seen as an opportunity to write a story
I don't really want to speculate about the order of sequence, but the "opportunity to write a story" is true amongst newspaper. As I have posted in a different thread, The Sunday Mirror released a narrative that "Meghan felt that the British Public didn't understand her". This was based on an interview of Ingrid Seward (Royal biographer) with Fox News. This news story was talked about on social media, particularly amongst critics of Harry and Meghan. The narrative of "Meghan" against "the British public" (on the Mirror) is similar to "Harry" against the courtiers (on the Sunday Times). There is a possibility that the Sunday Times want to continue this narrative that there is a divide between Harry and the palace staffs.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-new...didnt-22970513

Speaking of papers changing their point of view, The Times weren't always positive on right-leaning politicians, especially during the Brexit drama (given that they backed Remain). Michael Gove (former Times journalists) and Jacob Rees-Mogg (son of former Times Editor, William Rees-Mogg) did not have an easy ride, probably because they backed Brexit. I know there is a difference between politicians and members of the royal family, but I was trying to highlight that news publications do have unilateral or stagnant views of public figures.

From reading through Arthur Edwards' twitter feed, I think he was part of the camera crew (for the Sun tabloid) that took pictures of the Remembrance Sunday Service.
https://twitter.com/ArthurJEdwards/s...68420926447616
https://twitter.com/ArthurJEdwards/s...84466413285378

Judging by the arrangement and numbers of wreaths, I think Arthur Edwards lay the Sun's wreath (behalf of Sun's readers) after the Service has finished or even at the very end of the service.
https://twitter.com/ArthurJEdwards/s...54027787902976
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Old 11-09-2020, 06:01 PM
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Two photographs at a cemetery is hardly trying to trump the RF at the Cenotaph. Not everything that Harry, whose heart has always been with vets and serving personnel, is to do with publicity, however much those who dislike him and Meghan try to say so. He was always at Remembrance Day services when he wasn't serving overseas.
Agree; I don't see the fuss. I think people want to pick at every little thing now that the Sussexes have defected from the UK. I understood that a private event meant it was just them, with no other official mourners. Since the Sussexes have a close connection with the military I can see why they published the photo as they couldn't be in London for the Cenotaph service, but they probably still wanted to show followers that they were paying their respects.

Damned if they do and damned if they don't.
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Old 11-09-2020, 06:29 PM
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The story of Harry not being allowed to lay a wreath appeared in a Times article by Royal Correspendent Roya Nikkah, so whoever leaked that titbit it certainly wouldn't have been the Sussexes.
I am not sure why you are so sure, but each to their own assessment of the situation.
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