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Old 10-25-2020, 10:38 AM
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I would be surprised if Harry renounced his British citizenship. He might get a dual citizenship but I'd think he'd wait a while to make sure he wants to stay in the US.
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Old 10-25-2020, 12:12 PM
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...l-Marines.html

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/a...rt-claims.html

Just accept the fact they're never coming back; except for weddings and funerals; same as the Duke and Duchess of Windsor.

Don't believe Wallis returned to the UK for the funeral of King George V1.
It was very clear to me in March when the pandemic started getting bad and the Sussexes decided to leave Canada to move to California instead of returning to the UK that they were done living there on even a semi-permanent basis. I think they’ll go back for major family events and maybe for a few weeks during the summer or over the holidays but other than that, I don’t think they’ll return much at all. I think it’s a shame for their patronages and others in the UK who were counting on them for advocacy and action, but from the sound of things it seems like most of the British public doesn’t care where they settle since they don’t pay much attention to the royal family, and of those who do care many are saying “Good riddance, you can stay in LA.”
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Old 10-25-2020, 12:30 PM
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I know that did keep up with some patronages and charities, so I fail to understand why they did keep up with the Marines. Especially as we are reminded everyday of Harry want to keep the position. Just doesnt make sense.

However it does seems like they keep in touch with the charities that fit in comfortable with the Archewell agenda. but then again - that is just on skypes that where reported on and Omid Scoobie's twitter. Where really dont know.
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Old 10-25-2020, 01:24 PM
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It was very clear to me in March when the pandemic started getting bad and the Sussexes decided to leave Canada to move to California instead of returning to the UK that they were done living there on even a semi-permanent basis. I think they’ll go back for major family events and maybe for a few weeks during the summer or over the holidays but other than that, I don’t think they’ll return much at all. I think it’s a shame for their patronages and others in the UK who were counting on them for advocacy and action, but from the sound of things it seems like most of the British public doesn’t care where they settle since they don’t pay much attention to the royal family, and of those who do care many are saying “Good riddance, you can stay in LA.”
What else would the British public say? As you've said, H and Meg showed where their allegiance lay when they headed for California when the Covid Crisis struck.. Most UK people dont follow the BRF's life or work, closely.. and if a pair of Royals decide to walk out on the job, (which is unusual) what can the public say but "well OK they wanted to go, they're gone. They clearly prefer the USA or Canada to the UK, so let them go.. Good riddance...")
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Old 10-25-2020, 02:42 PM
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I would be surprised if Harry renounced his British citizenship. He might get a dual citizenship but I'd think he'd wait a while to make sure he wants to stay in the US.

Even if he didn't (want to stay), I doubt Meghan would leave.
The only way I see Harry returning to the UK would be if he and Meghan split up.
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Old 10-26-2020, 02:01 AM
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And maybe why William advised caution.
I don’t see how amoral people taking advantage of a woman with a history of multiple mental illnesses relates to the soundness of Harry and Meghan’s decision to leave.

And as for this nonsense:

“The institution works well enough for anyone loyal, compliant and unquestioning, but offers little protection or elasticity to accommodate the nuance, challenges and differences of opinion which are inevitable in all families.”

The BRF is analogous to a family business and yes, like any job, its members will do best if they’re loyal and compliant. But various members have questioned aspects of how things are run and the fact that the institution managed to survive the 90s should be ample proof that it can accommodate challenges and differences of opinion.

Get this: multiple members of the BRF have managed to make changes and advance their professional agendas while remaining loyal to The Queen and all she represents, and they’ve remained seemingly content and emotionally stable the entire time. Now THAT’S smart.
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Old 10-26-2020, 02:26 AM
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How do we know 'they've all remained content and emotionally stable all the time'? We know absolutely nothing about the emotional and mental health of members of the RF except what has been divulged for public consumption. Did Andrew for instance remained contented with his lot?

And if some are, like the Queen's cousins, it may very well be because they accept their position in the hierarchy for, among other things, financial security. Maybe Harry and Meghan looked to the next fifty years, saw themselves as the future Gloucesters and said ' thanks but no thanks we want a different future.'

There have certainly been ding dong battles for power between the various Households over the years, including Prince Charles and Andrew and the Manderins at BP, including Christopher Geidt who was loyal to the Queen to a fault, and much good it did him.
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Old 10-26-2020, 04:07 AM
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Exactly. We really have zero idea how any of them really are doing because they truly avoid letting us see it. It’s a big deal when they do as history has repeatedly shown. It’s usually revealed at breaking points, which begs to wonder if those points could have been avoided. We shall never know...

In other news — Harry in conversation for British GQ

https://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/gq-her...on-anti-racism

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Old 10-26-2020, 05:16 AM
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Actually I really feel it is not our job to be asking how members of the royal family are - mentally or otherwise. Yes - I understand the idea to remove the stigma of mental health by talking about it, but there is a line.
Currently I am working remotely and our Managers are checking in on us weekly to see how we are doing. And this week he added the "How are you doing - really?" Which resulted bursting out laughing and saying we are not a bunch of royal snowflakes and was he going to lead up in breathing exercises and maybe a round of kumbaya.
Everyone deals differently - people are differently. I expected the royals who are adults to take care of their own mental health - they are adults and access to the resources to do so.
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Old 10-26-2020, 06:11 AM
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I don’t see how amoral people taking advantage of a woman with a history of multiple mental illnesses relates to the soundness of Harry and Meghan’s decision to leave.

And as for this nonsense:

“The institution works well enough for anyone loyal, compliant and unquestioning, but offers little protection or elasticity to accommodate the nuance, challenges and differences of opinion which are inevitable in all families.”

The BRF is analogous to a family business and yes, like any job, its members will do best if they’re loyal and compliant. But various members have questioned aspects of how things are run and the fact that the institution managed to survive the 90s should be ample proof that it can accommodate challenges and differences of opinion.

Get this: multiple members of the BRF have managed to make changes and advance their professional agendas while remaining loyal to The Queen and all she represents, and they’ve remained seemingly content and emotionally stable the entire time. Now THAT’S smart.
I dont quite know what that article is saying either. I watched a bit of the programme on the Diana interview and gave up, as I've begun to get bored with teh multiple programmes on royals that have been on tv this past year.. but as Far as i could work out, the programme was saying that Diana had been lured into the interview by people from the BBC preying on her nerves.. but that's the BBC, not the RF. The RF had by then given up on her, as by then she and Charles were separated .. but in the beginning Diana had been seeing doctors and psychiatrists and I think the RF had tried as best they could to help her but Diana hadn't been that cooperative and while she had overcome her eating disorders to a point, her other mental problems had gone on being a problem... and she had become alienated from her husband's family and not likely to cooperate with them any further. She kept her dealings with the press secret from them anyway so how were they supposed to know she was up to something with the BBC and protect her from exploitations?
If Meghan also has had mental health issues, then perhaps she should not have taken on a role which was bound to involve stress and public exposure so if that's what the articles saying, i.e. that Meghan was not really mentally strong enough for the job, she's old enough and aware enough to realise that surely and NOT take on a public job.
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Old 10-26-2020, 08:35 AM
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Actually I really feel it is not our job to be asking how members of the royal family are - mentally or otherwise. Yes - I understand the idea to remove the stigma of mental health by talking about it, but there is a line.
Currently I am working remotely and our Managers are checking in on us weekly to see how we are doing. And this week he added the "How are you doing - really?" Which resulted bursting out laughing and saying we are not a bunch of royal snowflakes and was he going to lead up in breathing exercises and maybe a round of kumbaya.
Everyone deals differently - people are differently. I expected the royals who are adults to take care of their own mental health - they are adults and access to the resources to do so.
I don’t actually disagree. I don’t need to know anything about them actually. If they share it? Great. If they want to be private? Great. My point was more that we really don’t know their true mental place just by looking at anyone. Far too many examples out there of people hiding their true pains and people around them being clueless to it.

So I do think it’s wise to check in but there is a difference in that and babying people. Let them know you are there and then keep it moving. That said, of course step in if you truly see someone struggling. People sometimes do cries for help in ways you don’t expect. Just have to feel out situations. Everyone is different.
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Old 10-26-2020, 11:32 AM
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I dont quite know what that article is saying either. I watched a bit of the programme on the Diana interview and gave up, as I've begun to get bored with teh multiple programmes on royals that have been on tv this past year.. but as Far as i could work out, the programme was saying that Diana had been lured into the interview by people from the BBC preying on her nerves.. but that's the BBC, not the RF. The RF had by then given up on her, as by then she and Charles were separated .. but in the beginning Diana had been seeing doctors and psychiatrists and I think the RF had tried as best they could to help her but Diana hadn't been that cooperative and while she had overcome her eating disorders to a point, her other mental problems had gone on being a problem... and she had become alienated from her husband's family and not likely to cooperate with them any further. She kept her dealings with the press secret from them anyway so how were they supposed to know she was up to something with the BBC and protect her from exploitations.
I think one of the pitfalls of royal life is that there are always a lot of people who want to associate with you, and many of those people will have questionable motives or characters. Diana made some poor choices, but she was also vulnerable, and various people saw that she was an easy target and took advantage of her.

I read the article as implying that Meghan was smart to get out of an organization that somehow inevitably leads to bad outcomes like Diana’s. But the majority of people in the BRF haven’t struggled in the way that Diana did. Quite a few of them seem to be content - even happy! - with their lives.

And yes, in Meghan’s case the truly smart decision would have been to take some time to become familiar with the BRF before agreeing to become a part of it.
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Old 10-26-2020, 11:47 AM
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Carolyn Durand has written a piece on Elle, where the topics include the launch Of Archewell Foundation and Criticism on Meghan possibly dipping her toes in politics.

Inside Duchess Meghan’s Launch Of Archewell And Why She’s Speaking Out Amid 'Distorted' Political Criticisms
Meghan and Harry's work is focused on racial injustice, gender equality, education access, and more, and the couple is careful not to be controversial.
https://www.elle.com/culture/celebri...ments-feature/
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Old 10-26-2020, 12:16 PM
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I think one of the pitfalls of royal life is that there are always a lot of people who want to associate with you, and many of those people will have questionable motives or characters. Diana made some poor choices, but she was also vulnerable, and various people saw that she was an easy target and took advantage of her.

I read the article as implying that Meghan was smart to get out of an organization that somehow inevitably leads to bad outcomes like Diana’s. But the majority of people in the BRF haven’t struggled in the way that Diana did. Quite a few of them seem to be content - even happy! - with their lives.

And yes, in Meghan’s case the truly smart decision would have been to take some time to become familiar with the BRF before agreeing to become a part of it.
Yes Diana was vulnerable but it was the BBC who manipulated her, if anyone did, into doing that interview. so if anyone's to blame, its them...and journalists are often unscrupulous
But truth is, that Di wanted to do it. She kept it a secret because she knew the RF and her own staff and most of her friends and family would disapprove or try to dissuade her from it..
The RF certainly didn't want her to do it, had they known of it..
Of course the RF isn't for everyone, but Meghan was a mature woman when she joined it, and if she didn't know much about what it entailed that's on her. She was old enough to learn and to have enough life experience to work out whether she could fit in with that life. She was not a very young sheltered girl like Diana had been, nor I think did she have mental problems that might make adjustment difficult for her. However I and other people did feel that she didn't know really what she was getting herself into... but most of her fans seemed to believe that she was aware of what it would be like, that she was keen on the job and would be a welcome addition to the RF...
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Old 10-26-2020, 12:20 PM
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Exactly. We really have zero idea how any of them really are doing because they truly avoid letting us see it. It’s a big deal when they do as history has repeatedly shown. It’s usually revealed at breaking points, which begs to wonder if those points could have been avoided. We shall never know...

In other news — Harry in conversation for British GQ

https://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/gq-her...on-anti-racism


Here we go again with the Sussexes and their pronouncements. By inference he is saying that the rest of his family who share his upbringing are unaware of racial bias because they "haven't walked in her shoes".
I can't bear to see or hear either of them anymore.
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Old 10-26-2020, 12:27 PM
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Here we go again with the Sussexes and their pronouncements. By inference he is saying that the rest of his family who share his upbringing are unaware of racial bias because they "haven't walked in her shoes".
I can't bear to see or hear either of them anymore.
I don't think he was inferring anything about his family in his remarks. I actually overall liked this conversation- Harry appears more genuine and less preachy than the Sussexes have in other recent conversations. I think that he is acknowledging his privilege and working to change it. I think that Harry does much better in interviews where he's on his own rather than with Meghan. I think that she dominates the conversation and is the one with the tendency to lecture and get preachy, and Harry just tends to look at her while she's talking and just echoes whatever points she's making.
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Old 10-26-2020, 12:54 PM
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I don't think he was inferring anything about his family in his remarks. I actually overall liked this conversation- Harry appears more genuine and less preachy than the Sussexes have in other recent conversations. I think that he is acknowledging his privilege and working to change it. I think that Harry does much better in interviews where he's on his own rather than with Meghan. I think that she dominates the conversation and is the one with the tendency to lecture and get preachy, and Harry just tends to look at her while she's talking and just echoes whatever points she's making.
Of course he does!! And if harry wants to work to change his privileges there are a few steps he needs to take...
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Here we go again with the Sussexes and their pronouncements. By inference he is saying that the rest of his family who share his upbringing are unaware of racial bias because they "haven't walked in her shoes".
I can't bear to see or hear either of them anymore.
I didn't get this at all, and even if he did mean what you think he means, why is this a bad thing? No one who isn't the victim of bias can really understand what it's like. Doesn't make people bad simply because they are privileged.
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Old 10-26-2020, 03:06 PM
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I didn't get this at all, and even if he did mean what you think he means, why is this a bad thing? No one who isn't the victim of bias can really understand what it's like. Doesn't make people bad simply because they are privileged.
Then Harry can't know what its like either.....
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Before Harry say's his Family is not aware unless they walked in her shoes. Maybe he should ask a survivor of a sexual crime against them mixed with a hate crime how they feel unless he or she walked a mile in her shoes. BTW Meghan enjoys the perks of both sides of the isle. She has a white father and black mother.
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