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Old 12-17-2020, 12:12 AM
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All male offspring in direct line gets a title when they marry. Not the minor Royals, not the ladies, but the males do. Has always be done that way and is not connected to being "working Royals". Edward, AFAIK, was not considered to be a future "Working Royal" and still got his titles.
Edward might have received a title - but never used it in business he was only ever Edward Windsor, on all things from contracts, to business cards.
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Old 12-17-2020, 12:39 AM
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That was his choice. It doesn't have to be Harry's or anybody else's in the BRF. And it was in the days before SM started demanded that those in the public eye do it their way or else! Faced with demands about his life from keyboard warriors he didn't know, Edward may well have used his styling as HIS choice.
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Old 12-17-2020, 01:41 AM
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Clevr Blends looks like a down-to-earth, holistic-minded and smart mail order start-up. From their website 'story' blurb, the company started out making oat milk lattes via operating out of a van traveling through parts of California. They caught on with a contingent of customers, and then they decided to work on developing their mostly caffeine-free, oat milk home blends for mail order purchase.

I might try the Matcha and Golden latte packs. The frother is included in the special two-pack order. Because there has been an increase in sales on their website, orders are not expected to ship until January. Orders with frother won't ship until late January. They will also begin offering international shipments in January.

This is a fascinating investment by Meghan. Yet it is very much in line with her interests in food, ethical brands, holistic practices, advocacy for women, and her overall belief in the motto: "Lift while you climb." (That's one of the inspirational words of wisdom Meghan once shared on her original Instagram).

Meghan was a hard-working achiever, successful actor, entrepreneur, and humanitarian (not to mention a millionaire) prior to meeting Prince Harry. This current investment is very much in keeping with the enterprising and caring person she has always been.
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Old 12-17-2020, 02:24 AM
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This is a fascinating investment by Meghan. Yet it is very much in line with her interests in food, ethical brands, holistic practices, advocacy for women, and her overall belief in the motto: "Lift while you climb." (That's one of the inspirational words of wisdom Meghan once shared on her original Instagram).
No one has a problem with her investing her money. No one even has a problem with her shilling the products of a company she's invested in (though expecting anyone to pay $2/serving for a drink they have to make themselves is rather tone-deaf, to put it mildly). What people have a problem with is her trying to frame it as charity, which it stopped being the moment she became entitled to a cut of the profits. If she wants to put her celebrity friends up to hawking her wares on social media, she and they should be honest about her personal financial stake in those products. There's a reason she didn't ask Oprah to include to include that information in her video, and that's because people would perceive Oprah trying to make money for Meghan as incredibly tacky - which it is. Shady advertising practices don't stop being shady just because someone else is being "lifted while she climbs," no matter how nice that person is or how good their products might be.
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Old 12-17-2020, 03:25 AM
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This is an interesting debate. How do other royal families do this? Maybe we should have a thread on royal ethics?

I wonder if there's a British/non British difference here?
They simply have jobs and everyone accepts they got that job in part because of who they are and who they know. Just like plenty of other people out there. My father being one of them or some people at work. They still need to prove their worth when on the job.


Same for the Sussexes. They may have gotten this chance because of who they are, they still need to prove they are worth it.
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Old 12-17-2020, 04:01 AM
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Clevr Blends looks like a down-to-earth, holistic-minded and smart mail order start-up. From their website 'story' blurb, the company started out making oat milk lattes via operating out of a van traveling through parts of California. They caught on with a contingent of customers, and then they decided to work on developing their mostly caffeine-free, oat milk home blends for mail order purchase.

I might try the Matcha and Golden latte packs. The frother is included in the special two-pack order. Because there has been an increase in sales on their website, orders are not expected to ship until January. Orders with frother won't ship until late January. They will also begin offering international shipments in January.

This is a fascinating investment by Meghan. Yet it is very much in line with her interests in food, ethical brands, holistic practices, advocacy for women, and her overall belief in the motto: "Lift while you climb." (That's one of the inspirational words of wisdom Meghan once shared on her original Instagram).

Meghan was a hard-working achiever, successful actor, entrepreneur, and humanitarian (not to mention a millionaire) prior to meeting Prince Harry. This current investment is very much in keeping with the enterprising and caring person she has always been.
I actually think the company will live to regret the association. It is bringing unwelcomed attention on the company.

Clevr is not a women owned company. It is co-owned by a man, which appears to have been brushed out for the benefit of PR. A number of Newspapers are actually asking for his exact involvement, as he is still listed, as co- owner, co - founder and co- CEO of the organization. If they have received any money as a "female - fronted " company they are in serious trouble. They source their raw material from India and China and claim it is ethically done. That is impossible - many business owners will tell you anything from China and India can never be 100 % verified , not even 50 % verified as ethical. So yep, child labour, unfair working practices ect. The claims about the holist health benefits of the product are not verified by the FDC - they don't claim that. If anyone does - might be interesting.
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Old 12-17-2020, 04:07 AM
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Meghan was a hard-working achiever, successful actor, entrepreneur, and humanitarian (not to mention a millionaire) prior to meeting Prince Harry. This current investment is very much in keeping with the enterprising and caring person she has always been.

I've seen statements like this a lot about how Meghan is reportedly worth $5 million without explanations about how she became a millionaire. Claire Foy was paid $40,000 per episode on The Crown, one of the most expensive TV series ever made, and she was the main character who appeared in all episodes in series 1 and 2. Yet Meghan, who was a side character on a show filmed in Canada and doesn't even appeared on many episodes, managed to get paid $50,000 per episode on Suits. Sorry, I simply don't believe that claim, especially when she has no records of owning assets like a house or a car in Toronto. While she did have her own website to merch stuff as well as having a collaboration with Reitmans, it's not enough to make her worth $5 million. If she DID own millions, it's probably from the divorce settlement with her ex-husband.
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Old 12-17-2020, 04:15 AM
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They simply have jobs and everyone accepts they got that job in part because of who they are and who they know. Just like plenty of other people out there. My father being one of them or some people at work. They still need to prove their worth when on the job.


Same for the Sussexes. They may have gotten this chance because of who they are, they still need to prove they are worth it.
Yep - it is a very thin line. And one that was debated in a never ending circle in BP and outside of it.
Royals, regardless of their line in success, or rank, will be seen as been advantaged due to their position. The received the best education or had access to all the greatest opportunities. So regardless of what they do they will be nailed for it - point in case: Earl Snowdon - who is still a furniture designer.
The thing is we will never know that if is was born Joe Soap where he would be in live. However much of his "talent" is due to his circumstance and opportunity affording it - it is impossible to say.
Been a royal and been an ex - royal opens doors and even if they say they are not taking the free ride - they are sometimes completely unaware of the journey of normal people to recognize it. Royals and lets say rich people have a very lubricated existence. Money and Status provide opportunity. In a world where a lot of people say use what you got to get ahead, they don't mind. You have the body use it. But when the status is a class system - you have hit a wall in the UK, not everywhere, but definitely in the UK. Even actors that are educated in public schools hid the fact. People with posh accents change it to get jobs. American's might not see a problem - UK and UK influenced areas will.
That been said - There is a code of Ethics that the royals have. I would not be surprised now if they have to sign contracts with the Queen. Normally if they break it - the Queen, or Charles comes down on them. Harry and Meghan appears to have free reign.
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Old 12-17-2020, 04:30 AM
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I've seen statements like this a lot about how Meghan is reportedly worth $5 million without explanations about how she became a millionaire. Claire Foy was paid $40,000 per episode on The Crown, one of the most expensive TV series ever made, and she was the main character who appeared in all episodes in series 1 and 2. Yet Meghan, who was a side character on a show filmed in Canada and doesn't even appeared on many episodes, managed to get paid $50,000 per episode on Suits. Sorry, I simply don't believe that claim, especially when she has no records of owning assets like a house or a car in Toronto. While she did have her own website to merch stuff as well as having a collaboration with Reitmans, it's not enough to make her worth $5 million. If she DID own millions, it's probably from the divorce settlement with her ex-husband.
That's interesting. I have wondered too how well off Meghan was, when her only serious acting job was in a show filmed in Canada which was not a big popular success like Friends.
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Old 12-17-2020, 04:50 AM
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I actually think the company will live to regret the association. It is bringing unwelcomed attention on the company.

Clevr is not a women owned company. It is co-owned by a man, which appears to have been brushed out for the benefit of PR. A number of Newspapers are actually asking for his exact involvement, as he is still listed, as co- owner, co - founder and co- CEO of the organization. If they have received any money as a "female - fronted " company they are in serious trouble. They source their raw material from India and China and claim it is ethically done. That is impossible - many business owners will tell you anything from China and India can never be 100 % verified , not even 50 % verified as ethical. So yep, child labour, unfair working practices ect. The claims about the holist health benefits of the product are not verified by the FDC - they don't claim that. If anyone does - might be interesting.
Thank you for pointing these out!
Btw, the guy name is Coppola, I wonder if this is any connection to the famous Coppola?

Also, they only donate 1% of their revenue.. 1%!, even if they sale 2000 units a month, that's about $550 (give or take) that's very little imo.

In Addition, there have been questions on whether they stole the idea and their looks (both package and the PR pics on their IG) from a black women owned company located in NYC that sales the same products just in different flavors.

On top of that, I have non white friends who questioned why after talking about uplifting and supporting black people, and taking on racism as one of her issues, would she not make a black owned company her first investment.



Not to mention the tone deftness of talking about food hunger, and only a day later announcing you have invested in a brand that is the epitome of opulence privilege tone deftness.


It is her right to invest in whatever company she wants, but personally I think this is a bad look and bad financial move (but I also don't think she invested that much money and that this may be more of a IG influencer plugging brand kind of deal. than your average investment.

Also, the Fortune article said they have been in business for a couple of years? but have been self invested (so their own cash plus family assistance plus loans?) which makes me wonder: why has no other investor been interested at investing in them?


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I've seen statements like this a lot about how Meghan is reportedly worth $5 million without explanations about how she became a millionaire. Claire Foy was paid $40,000 per episode on The Crown, one of the most expensive TV series ever made, and she was the main character who appeared in all episodes in series 1 and 2. Yet Meghan, who was a side character on a show filmed in Canada and doesn't even appeared on many episodes, managed to get paid $50,000 per episode on Suits. Sorry, I simply don't believe that claim, especially when she has no records of owning assets like a house or a car in Toronto. While she did have her own website to merch stuff as well as having a collaboration with Reitmans, it's not enough to make her worth $5 million. If she DID own millions, it's probably from the divorce settlement with her ex-husband.

Let's just say, for a 1 hour CABLE drama SAG current fee is about $8K per episode.
The only way I can see her being a millionaire is if she smartly invested in crypto coin or the stock market- not impossible. But I feel like if she had she would have owned a lot more designer clothes, and had a better car (she had a KIA) and would have lived in a more luxurious area of Toronto.
And most of the people I know who are invested really well! always buy a house/condo and use the interest to pay it back.

So yea, maybe she was worth a single million, maybe.
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Old 12-17-2020, 05:02 AM
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Thank you for pointing these out!
Btw, the guy name is Coppola, I wonder if this is any connection to the famous Coppola?

Also, they only donate 1% of their revenue.. 1%!, even if they sale 2000 units a month, that's about $550 (give or take) that's very little imo.

In Addition, there have been questions on whether they stole the idea and their looks (both package and the PR pics on their IG) from a black women owned company located in NYC that sales the same products just in different flavors.

On top of that, I have non white friends who questioned why after talking about uplifting and supporting black people, and taking on racism as one of her issues, would she not make a black owned company her first investment.



Not to mention the tone deftness of talking about food hunger, and only a day later announcing you have invested in a brand that is the epitome of opulence privilege tone deftness.


It is her right to invest in whatever company she wants, but personally I think this is a bad look and bad financial move (but I also don't think she invested that much money and that this may be more of a IG influencer plugging brand kind of deal. than your average investment.

Also, the Fortune article said they have been in business for a couple of years? but have been self invested (so their own cash plus family assistance plus loans?) which makes me wonder: why has no other investor been interested at investing in them?
That was the bit I really didn't like. One minute you're on CNN being "Duchessy" and official talking about real problems and thanking Key workers etc and pretty much straight after your billionaire friend posts a video of herself opening your product placement without mentioning that. It's at best incredibly awkward and worst a deliberate attempt to boost sales by being piously "royal".

The company itself is ok, although you bet you're ass many media outlets are going to be fact checking every claim as above, but nothing particularly out of the ordinary for what it is. There are a lot of start up brands like it charging a lot of money for promising the earth in health benefits and salving peoples' social conscience by saying they're 100% verified as perfect (which is impossible as pointed out), walk into any health food store and there are aisles of them. Obviously Meghan chose this one and she can invest where she wants but how she's promoted it so far is questionable.
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Old 12-17-2020, 05:06 AM
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For the Sussexes to be able to land the deals they have landed IMO is not solely about any 'royal' status. It has more to do with the value of their individual and collective talents. Harry and Meghan both have an impressive background in developing successful humanitarian projects that have benefited people in need. If we were to ask the CEOs of Netflix, Spotify, and even Time magazine, I'm quite sure they would give reasons other than M&H's 'royal' connections as to why they have invested in this high profile couple. The Sussexes already have a proven track record of successful creation and engagement in a variety of worthy endeavors. But sure, with these recent deals, they will have more to prove.

Part of the Sussexes' appeal surely has to do with their worldwide fan base who have donated thousands of dollars to a number of charities supported by M&H, including Camfed, WellChild, Save the Children, and most recently Invictus (a one-day fundraising drive last week garnered over $20,000 to support military veterans). Several months ago over $129,000 was raised for Camfed (to fund university education for young women in Africa). To acknowledge this effort, M&H matched the amount that was raised with an additional $130,000 donation to Camfed:
https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/prin...mPBbuRY6JS9CDQ

Overall, the beneficial work Meghan & Harry have both accomplished is measurable and well-known. To name just a few: Sentebale, Invictus, Endeavour Awards, HeadFit (all created by Harry), plus his work with CamFed and WellChild, et al; Meghan: UN Women, One World (Meghan helped work on a clean water - community well water - project in Rwanda), Myna Mahila (Meghan wrote an article for Time magazine to raise awareness about this charity, in addition to providing personal support), SmartWorks initiatives, Hubb Community Kitchen's Together Cookbook, guest editing British Vogue's Forces for Change 9/19 edition which highlighted a number of important charitable groups, in addition to the focus on women enacting change in a number of fields; as well, Meghan's entrepreneurial success with The Tig, her two capsule clothing collections for Reitmans, and her advocacy on behalf of animals, which led to her Mayhew patronage. Meghan also famously lent public support to the jeans brand, Huit Denim, which helped grow the company during a difficult time, aiding much needed job expansion for the people of Cardigan, Wales. An entire documentary was made about this welcome boost Huit Denim and the surrounding community received. Meghan & Harry have also engaged in hands-on volunteer work for a number of charitable organizations in Los Angeles, which helped raise awareness and donations for these groups.

Honestly, I doubt this recent investment in Clevr Blends by Meghan is necessarily going to be a source of huge income for her. The exact terms of the investment have not been revealed. Plus, this might be only one of the investments Meghan has been involved with, as per the wording in articles implies there may be other women-owned businesses she has financially supported. In any case, there's nothing wrong with making money, spreading wealth with others, and enjoying the fruits of your labor.

FWIW, the ethical part of the Clevr Blends brand has to do with the company's focus on actively participating in community wellbeing and advocacy for food justice. One of the organizations the company is collaborating with is El Centro SB, a group that supports regional aid and community resilience. These details are provided on the company's website and in some of the articles reporting on Meghan's investment.
https://www.clevrblends.com/pages/ourstory
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Old 12-17-2020, 05:54 AM
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That was the bit I really didn't like. One minute you're on CNN being "Duchessy" and official talking about real problems and thanking Key workers etc and pretty much straight after your billionaire friend posts a video of herself opening your product placement without mentioning that. It's at best incredibly awkward and worst a deliberate attempt to boost sales by being piously "royal".

The.
This is why the wrokng RF dont engage in business. If Meghan would be straight up and say " Im a businesswoman, Im here to earn a living"... and just gave donations to charity like any other rich person does (at least we hope they do) or went to a few events and promoted the odd charity in a quiet way, it wound't be so bad.. but the way they are doing it ( as witnessed by that awkward event in November of standing in a miltiary cemetery) seems to show that they are trying to keep up the royal connextion and act like they are still full time royals and their work is all about helping people...
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Old 12-17-2020, 06:04 AM
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. . If we were to ask the CEOs of Netflix, Spotify, and even Time magazine, I'm quite sure they would give reasons other than M&H's 'royal' connections as to why they have invested in this high profile couple.

The fact that Netflix and Spotify announced deals with "the Duke and Duchess of Sussex" rather than "Harry and Meghan Mountbatten-Windsor" suggests to me that the couple is basically cashing in on their royal brand (not necessarily "royal connections"). And it also confirms to me that has been Meghan's "business plan" from the start.
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Old 12-17-2020, 06:04 AM
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A team of people (over 25 people) set up Sentabale and currently run it - Harry's name is on it , yes . But directly physical contribution, sorry it is over his head. This is in no way different to how most royal projects work. Royals may have some involvement, but set up the charity and its running - nope. Sentabale was already ready to go when he was asked to join. It really should have gone to William, it was offered to him first.
The Invictus games as well - there are a number world wide such programmes and yes - many people. Harry is just the figure head. And personally I feel that this will be the first patronage to leave Harry in the future.
I am also concerned when people talk about Meghan at the UN. I know as a former lobbyist that every Tom, Dick and Harry and BTS member can speak at the UN. They have their own TV channel. One World was created in the 70's and anyone can join. Many people have gone to various African countries to work see the work of the organization. You can too if you have the money to fund your trip, as that is how it works. A number of celebrities of various levels - mostly low level celebrities (youtube influences) have worked with them. Meghan was just a name in the grain for them.
Furthermore, no celebrity or royal involvement is tangible. Yes the Sussex Squad raised money for causes - but if the Sussex's weren't there who is to say that they wouldn't have send the money to other charities and such. People who donate, usually donate regardless of celebrity involvement. Emotional donation might spike due to social media but is is constant donation and voluntarism that is really needed to be encouraged.
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Old 12-17-2020, 06:07 AM
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I thought that Sentabele was Harry's own idea.. not that he's a full time worker for them but that it was out of his head.
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I've seen statements like this a lot about how Meghan is reportedly worth $5 million without explanations about how she became a millionaire. Claire Foy was paid $40,000 per episode on The Crown, one of the most expensive TV series ever made, and she was the main character who appeared in all episodes in series 1 and 2. Yet Meghan, who was a side character on a show filmed in Canada and doesn't even appeared on many episodes, managed to get paid $50,000 per episode on Suits. Sorry, I simply don't believe that claim, especially when she has no records of owning assets like a house or a car in Toronto. While she did have her own website to merch stuff as well as having a collaboration with Reitmans, it's not enough to make her worth $5 million. If she DID own millions, it's probably from the divorce settlement with her ex-husband.

https://www.nickiswift.com/162785/ho...-really-worth/

Meghan was a full-fledged member of the Suits ensemble cast. Of course, Patrick J. Adams, Gabriel Macht, and Gina Torres were the main stars of the original cast. But Meghan, Rick Hoffman, and Sarah Rafferty were important members of the main cast from the beginning of the series. So no, Meghan was not a 'side' character on Suits. Meghan appeared in practically every episode in some capacity. There was an ongoing 'love' interest story between her character and Patrick J. Adams' character throughout the series.

The above article states that Meghan reportedly made $50,000 per Suits episode for a total of approximately $450,000 annually. She was on the show for seven seasons, so surely she received a pay increase over the years of the production's moderate, but significant success. For a small, very brief role as a bartender in the Robert Pattinson film, Remember Me, Meghan earned $187,000. She also had small or featured roles in a number of other films and television shows. Plus, she starred in two Hallmark romance flicks, filmed in Vancouver. She also did modeling work for hair, fashion and beauty brands and publications.

Meghan still receives royalties (or residuals) for Suits episodes and for all of her other onscreen work that is still being aired or sold on DVD. That can amount to a substantial annual income. Meghan also has a business accounting firm that has handled financial investments for her over the years to help grow her income. But there hasn't been any confirmed reports of Meghan's exact wealth/ total assets.

Not everyone who makes a lot of money decides to purchase a house and/or a car. Meghan rented her Toronto townhome, and she probably utilized a car service provided by the studio to get to work. They often filmed episodes overnight.

It's been reported in biographies of Meghan that she returned her engagement ring to her former husband, and didn't request a financial settlement, as she was making plenty of money on Suits. The Tig blog and Meghan's contract with Reitmans also netted her substantial income.
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Edward might have received a title - but never used it in business he was only ever Edward Windsor, on all things from contracts, to business cards.

As if this would change things! Plus he used Edward Wessex as well as Windsor.



During his television career, the Prince used the names Edward Windsor and, later, Edward Wessex, leading "The Guardian", for one, to refer to him as "the Edward formerly known as Prince". [http://www.guardian.co.uk/leaders/st...288894,00.html "The Guardian" "Wessex Prince... Or Having Your Cake and Eating it", 22 June 1999.


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However, he was accused in the media of using his Royal connections for personal and business gain.

My comment:

So what news is there? The exactly same happened to Edward and finally he went back into the Royal fold. As long as the media and the Royal followers don't let Harry forget he was a Royal prince, he will always be accused of using something he has no control over (for he simply is the son of the future king of the UK) to do business.
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Harry has never said he wanted to be Harry Mountbatten-Windsor, which isn't his surname anyway. Nor has he ever demanded that others call him HRH or Prince.
It isn't his surname? Then what is it?
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A team of people (over 25 people) set up Sentabale and currently run it - Harry's name is on it , yes . But directly physical contribution, sorry it is over his head. This is in no way different to how most royal projects work. Royals may have some involvement, but set up the charity and its running - nope. Sentabale was already ready to go when he was asked to join. It really should have gone to William, it was offered to him first.
The Invictus games as well - there are a number world wide such programmes and yes - many people. Harry is just the figure head. And personally I feel that this will be the first patronage to leave Harry in the future.
I am also concerned when people talk about Meghan at the UN. I know as a former lobbyist that every Tom, Dick and Harry and BTS member can speak at the UN. They have their own TV channel. One World was created in the 70's and anyone can join. Many people have gone to various African countries to work see the work of the organization. You can too if you have the money to fund your trip, as that is how it works. A number of celebrities of various levels - mostly low level celebrities (youtube influences) have worked with them. Meghan was just a name in the grain for them.
Furthermore, no celebrity or royal involvement is tangible. Yes the Sussex Squad raised money for causes - but if the Sussex's weren't there who is to say that they wouldn't have send the money to other charities and such. People who donate, usually donate regardless of celebrity involvement. Emotional donation might spike due to social media but is is constant donation and voluntarism that is really needed to be encouraged.
"Sentabale was already ready to go when he was asked to join. It really should have gone to William, it was offered to him first."
This is new.. to me anyway.


Somehow I doubt members of the squad would have donated to those specific charities (many of whom have been major orgs with a big wealthy backers already). And there has already been two times, that I know of, where they @ the charities in a major tantrum when it failed to mention the squad or even thank them publicly for doing a fundraiser.
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