Sarah, Duchess of York Current Events 16: January-May 2011

[MissEvangeline]

Sarah and Oprah need each other right now. Oprah is hoping for big ratings for her new network, and I'm sure Sarah was well paid for her reality show. It it's a hit, that will bring more television opportunities. At this point, Sarah needs a steady job, and well, what are her qualifications besides being famous? Oprah asked the most sensational questions she could come up with, and Sarah gave her just enough info to keep her and the audience interested. Unless she's willing to sack groceries or clean toilets, this is about as good as it will get careerwise for Fergie. (Yes, I know she has published childrens' books, but what publisher would work with her now?)

Her comment about Diana infuriated me. To link herself with Diana after all these years. . . riding the coattails of a dead person. Stay classy, Sarah. She should've just kept it simple, "Diana would be proud of her children." But no, she had to attach herself to Diana, "Diana and I weren't there."

I do think Sarah is just not a well-spoken person. On her last Oprah appearance, after her "cash for access to Andrew" scandal, I could hardly understand what she was talking about. She could barely put a coherent sentence together. She's like chum in the water to someone like Oprah, who is fishing for the best sound bites!

[rmay286]

Originally Posted by Russophile

I don't believe they are delusional about Sarah, I do believe that they are enables of her and the mistakes she keeps making. Remember that comment PA made on his brithday? That Sarah was his 3rd child?
I would rather hope that they would let that 50+ year old child finally GROW UP.

Do you think that Andrew, Beatrice and Eugenie see Sarah as an immature woman who won't grow up, but they feel sorry for her so they enable her? That's what some people here seem to be suggesting - eg. saying how annoyed the family must have been by Sarah's calls from Thailand.

Maybe...I mean, they must know her faults...but it seems that Andrew, Beatrice and Eugenie are quite capable of making their own mistakes (Andrew's friendships, Beatrice and Eugenie's, um, dress sense) without any help from Sarah. It isn't like any of them are paragons of maturity and sound decision-making. I think they basically love Sarah for who she is - faults and all - and don't expect her to change.

[Russophile]

Originally Posted by rmay286

Do you think that Andrew, Beatrice and Eugenie see Sarah as an immature woman who won't grow up, but they feel sorry for her so they enable her? That's what some people here seem to be suggesting - eg. saying how annoyed the family must have been by Sarah's calls from Thailand.

Maybe...I mean, they must know her faults...but it seems that Andrew, Beatrice and Eugenie are quite capable of making their own mistakes (Andrew's friendships, Beatrice and Eugenie's, um, dress sense) without any help from Sarah. It isn't like any of them are paragons of maturity and sound decision-making. I think they basically love Sarah for who she is - faults and all - and don't expect her to change.

I give Beatrice and Eugenie a lot of leeway, they are young after all. Sarah knows better and so does Andrew, and as long as he keeps taking her calls when she's all upset over the wedding or other issues and comforts her, he will keep on enabling her. I wonder if PA doesn't have insecurity issues as well. Somehow this makes him feel needed? What say you rmay?

[Bella]

No matter what the rest of the world may think of Sarah, to Psses B & E she is their mother. And I am sure they love her unconditionally and accept her with all her shortcomings. It must be very difficult for them. I think people can tend to forget all this.

[Irish Eyes]

Originally Posted by Russophile

I give Beatrice and Eugenie a lot of leeway, they are young after all. Sarah knows better and so does Andrew, and as long as he keeps taking her calls when she's all upset over the wedding or other issues and comforts her, he will keep on enabling her. I wonder if PA doesn't have insecurity issues as well. Somehow this makes him feel needed? What say you rmay?

Russo, I for one agree with you. Prince Andrew grew up with people employed to look after his every whim. I think he likes the idea of Sarah and his daughter needing him and depending on him. He has to take charge and that makes him feel wanted and important.
Such a wise head you have Russo.

On another note everyone seems to be assuming Sarah was doing all the ringing on the morning of the wedding, but for all we know it could be Andrew ringing her.

[Dymphna]

Originally Posted by MissEvangeline

Her comment about Diana infuriated me. To link herself with Diana after all these years. . . riding the coattails of a dead person. Stay classy, Sarah. She should've just kept it simple, "Diana would be proud of her children." But no, she had to attach herself to Diana, "Diana and I weren't there."

I thought the same thing. For someone who was reported to make sure, after her divorce, that she always spoke very well of the RF, i.e. the Queen and Prince Andrew, I think she's put her foot in it here

[Vita]

Do we know for sure if the kids will be on there or not?

[rmay286]

Originally Posted by Russophile

I give Beatrice and Eugenie a lot of leeway, they are young after all. Sarah knows better and so does Andrew, and as long as he keeps taking her calls when she's all upset over the wedding or other issues and comforts her, he will keep on enabling her. I wonder if PA doesn't have insecurity issues as well. Somehow this makes him feel needed? What say you rmay?

Yes, I think Andrew likes to feel needed. But is that a sign of insecurity, or a just a normal human need? We want to be needed by people, because we need them, too. I think that's how real friendships work, and we know Andrew and Sarah are friends. Now if Andrew really did see Sarah as an immature child, he could step in and lecture her about her misbehaviour like a parent. But deep down I think Andrew and Sarah's relationship is pretty mutual. He may see her immature qualities, but he needs her, too, so he will never say or do anything that could alienate her from him. He takes her calls...because he wants to.

Now that being said, since Andrew, Beatrice and Eugenie all need Sarah, they will never be the ones to step in and tell her that she needs to change. People like Oprah won't either (I think they're the true enablers). So who will?

[Vita]

They (Sarah and Andrew) are co-dependent on one another and-I think-at this point it has very little to do with love but need. I am not saying the love is not there but I am saying that this is not what's driving it anymore.

I think if all we can say about these two young girls is that their fashion sense leaves a lot to be desired they are doing way better
than one would think with a family like that.

I think Andrew and Sarah are good people who make bad choices. We have all been there before at one time or another. The only difference is Sarah has not seemed to learned a single thing from these mistakes at all and the fact that she is getting on national television yet again to tell people she messed up and is sorry is just not going to sit well those of us who very much appreciate the discretion and dignity the firm tries to maintain in erroneous situations.

[Naggi]

There was a time where I really liked Sarah and felt pity for her when her marriage broke up. But I do not pity anymore. Why doesn't she live quietly? Why is she making so much fuss about herself? Speaking trivia on TV on a trivia show is so unregal.

Sorry but both Andrew and Sarah are people I would respect. Hopefully their girls will do better.

[Dymphna]

Originally Posted by Vita

They (Sarah and Andrew) are co-dependent on one another and-I think-at this point it has very little to do with love but need. I am not saying the love is not there but I am saying that this is not what's driving it anymore.

I was horrified to hear Sarah tell Oprah that Andrew consoled her by saying, "Just remember, we had such a good day. Our wedding was so perfect." That really felt like a big red flag to me. I mean, they are divorced. It just doesn't make sense to me.

She said, "He made me feel very part of the day on April the 29th."

I think you hit the nail on the head--Co-dependency big-time. It sounds like the family walks on egg shells around her to avoid upsetting her.

[Russophile]

Originally Posted by Irish Eyes

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Such a wise head you have Russo.

Careful! You'll be giving Russo a BIG Head!

(Like Zonk and Warren need THAT headache! )

Originally Posted by Irish Eyes

On another note everyone seems to be assuming Sarah was doing all the ringing on the morning of the wedding, but for all we know it could be Andrew ringing her.

Good point. I hadn't thought of that.

[Russophile]

Originally Posted by rmay286

Yes, I think Andrew likes to feel needed. But is that a sign of insecurity, or a just a normal human need? We want to be needed by people, because we need them, too. I think that's how real friendships work, and we know Andrew and Sarah are friends. Now if Andrew really did see Sarah as an immature child, he could step in and lecture her about her misbehaviour like a parent.

IMO, he did by calling her his 3rd child on his brithday.

Originally Posted by rmay286

But deep down I think Andrew and Sarah's relationship is pretty mutual. He may see her immature qualities, but he needs her, too, so he will never say or do anything that could alienate her from him. He takes her calls...because he wants to.

True dat!

Originally Posted by rmay286

Now that being said, since Andrew, Beatrice and Eugenie all need Sarah, they will never be the ones to step in and tell her that she needs to change. People like Oprah won't either (I think they're the true enablers). So who will?

This is the tricky part. Sarah is doing damage to Sarah. Somebody needs to step in and intervene--IMO--so Sarah can get on with life and be happy. However! (And this is totally TMI here so I apologize!) It's like my ex-husband and his family. The man has a HUGE drinking and drugging problem, he's basically destroying himself, doesn't anybody in the family LOVE him enough to save him from himself? And now I apply that to Sarah, don't they love her enough to save her from herself?

[Vasillisos Markos]

Originally Posted by Russophile

Careful! You'll be giving Russo a BIG Head!

(Like Zonk and Warren need THAT headache! )

Russo my dear,

What do you mean "you'll be giving?"

[Russophile]

Originally Posted by Vasillisos Markos

Russo my dear,

What do you mean "you'll be giving?"

Oh Touche!


Here's an article that's more forgiving of the Sarah interview.

Sarah, Duchess of York speaks of 'difficult' royal wedding snub - Europe, World News - Independent.ie

[Vita]

Originally Posted by Russophile

IMO, he did by calling her his 3rd child on his brithday.

True dat!

This is the tricky part. Sarah is doing damage to Sarah. Somebody needs to step in and intervene--IMO--so Sarah can get on with life and be happy. However! (And this is totally TMI here so I apologize!) It's like my ex-husband and his family. The man has a HUGE drinking and drugging problem, he's basically destroying himself, doesn't anybody in the family LOVE him enough to save him from himself? And now I apply that to Sarah, don't they love her enough to save her from herself?

Having dealt with a family member going through the same issue as your ex for about 30 years we learned that there is nothing that can be done. The worst thing to do is enable someone in their mistakes by coddling them. This is what is going on with Sarah and until she hits rock bottom and has had enough of playing the victim and takes true ownership of her past and future she will do the same things over and over. You have to kind of turn your back on them emotionally and mentally. It is difficult for everyone involed but it must be done. Sarah and people with addictions of any kind have to come through it on their own. And I believe she is very much addicted to attention and victimisation.

[roseroyal]

Originally Posted by Vita

With all that beng said, I am not gonna sit there and lambast Oprah for doing her JOB. Oprah is supposed to do these things and she has never been above hitting below the belt. I am not surprised. Oprah does not make people victims. It's their choice to fall for her line of questioning. Brad Pitt did a good job of holding his own after the whole Brannifer scandal. It's all about how you want to be perceived.

Thank you for making this point. Very well said.

[Lindy]

What irks me is that she went to Thailand because she wasn't invited to the wedding. Gosh, how nice if we could all go to Thailand when things didn't go our way. She owes lots of people money and yet she flaunts the fact that she vacations to beautiful, far away places. If she were more responsible, she would have stayed at home and helped her daughters get dressed, taken pictures, and said, "have fun at the wedding."

[Mermaid1962]

Sounds like a good idea, with the proviso that Sarah stop giving interviews. Completely. If she could remarry Andrew and stay in the background, I'd say "go for it."

Originally Posted by Jacknch

As a British citizen who is very much a monarchist and love the royal family, I would very much be in favour of an immediate re-marriage between Andrew and Sarah and draw a very thick line under everything that has happend in the past.

[Elly C]

Just when I hoped she had learnt from her last outing with Operah, she goes and does it again. Yes she craves the spotlight and I guess she will never change. I personally have grown tired of her performances.