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Old 06-26-2019, 10:52 AM
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The bolded is SOP for the British tabloid press, and has been for at least the last 30 years or so. It's--for lack of a better word--gross, but it's also directed at anyone who comes into their sights, and not a special technique hatched for Meghan and Harry. They're just the (un)lucky targets right now.
With all due respect, after almost 3 years of abuse for anything and everything, it's hardly target of the moment anymore. I have no doubt misogyny isn't anything new, but to be so bold and open about it in this day and age with the social changes that have happened, it's shocking. And the I don't want to be there because you don't want me to be, but you should invite me over for lunch? Really? Did I read that right?

And one consistent theme seems to be demanding more access. Especially to Archie. Being that he's 7 weeks old, how much more access do they want? The Sussexes have actually been pretty generous with sharing photos with us.
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Old 06-26-2019, 11:44 AM
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..... after almost 3 years of abuse for anything and everything, it's hardly target of the moment anymore. I have no doubt misogyny isn't anything new, but to be so bold and open about it in this day and age with the social changes that have happened, it's shocking.

And one consistent theme seems to be demanding more access. Especially to Archie. Being that he's 7 weeks old, how much more access do they want? The Sussexes have actually been pretty generous with sharing photos with us.
Who said anything about target of the moment? Sadly, the record shows that the only thing that gets a subject out of the tabloid press sights is another, juicier target, or ennui. Charles, Catherine, Camilla were all subjected to years of screamingly overinflated criticism. That's what makes the British tabloid press so awful and so unfair: they are relentless and they aren't going away. Like it or not, no matter how many Instagram and Twitter accounts the Sussexes maintain, at some level they are still going to have to deal with the press, because the British public still looks at the headlines. Hopefully the upcoming fall tour will push things in a more positive direction.

And while I agree that the misogyny is horrifying, we are surrounded by evidence in our own country that it is enjoying a resurgence everywhere, so on reflection, that's probably the least shocking aspect of the situation.
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Old 06-26-2019, 11:46 AM
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All this because they got a home well within norms in the royal family. In fact, the argument that they shouldn’t be given this because of their position is complete ludicrous as there are plenty of people below them on the totem pole that have bigger homes. And just to be clear, I’m not trying to say they should’ve been given a bigger home as I believe they got exactly the home they wanted. But it’s the idea that giving them one home of this size is so outrageous or that HM is indulging them that I take issue with.
As a son of the future King, it is understandable that the Duke of Sussex should get a royal residence. There is a broader issue though, which Charles will have to address following his accession, on who in the Royal Family is entitled to.a royal residence and who is not.

Queen Elizabeth II, apparently has been very generous during her reign providing zero or low cost housing not only for her children, but also for her adult grandchildren and her cousins. I don’t see a situation like that lasting into the future as royal expenses are subject to increasing scrutiny and the Royal Family is slimmed down.
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Old 06-26-2019, 12:33 PM
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As a son of the future King, it is understandable that the Duke of Sussex should get a royal residence. There is a broader issue though, which Charles will have to address following his accession, on who in the Royal Family is entitled to.a royal residence and who is not.

Queen Elizabeth II, apparently has been very generous during her reign providing zero or low cost housing not only for her children, but also for her adult grandchildren and her cousins. I don’t see a situation like that lasting into the future as royal expenses are subject to increasing scrutiny and the Royal Family is slimmed down.


Charles has already made it clear that there will be a reduced working royal family. The children of the Kents and the Gloucesters are all out on their own. Anne's children live on her estate.

Beatrice and Eugenie may be housed in the cottages at KP.

Edwards children still a bit young.
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Old 06-26-2019, 12:53 PM
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Charles has already made it clear that there will be a reduced working royal family..


Has he? Could you provide a source for this?


Also, we’re still talking about Frogmore Cottage in the wrong thread...
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Old 06-27-2019, 09:51 AM
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All the press has been doing the last 3 years is reinforcing Harry's natural dislike and distrust of them and bringing up old memories that are surely uncomfortable/painful. He had a pretty good stretch with reporters ..he was willing to give/take ...but they have treated Meghan so terribly and with all the death threats and craziness that has gone on..he's drawing a very hard line and he doesn't care who doesn't like it.

The press have only themselves to blame.


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Old 06-27-2019, 10:01 AM
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All the press has been doing the last 3 years is reinforcing Harry's natural dislike and distrust of them and bringing up old memories that are surely uncomfortable/painful. He had a pretty good stretch with reporters ..he was willing to give/take ...but they have treated Meghan so terribly and with all the death threats and craziness that has gone on..he's drawing a very hard line and he doesn't care who doesn't like it.

The press have only themselves to blame.


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A very good and true comment, Pranter. The British press played a bad hand with the Sussexes. Although KP officials isn’t innocent either. The way they’ve handled some things wasn’t for the best, IMO. Although I understand things got tough because of the way the royal couple was being treated by the press.
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Old 06-27-2019, 10:33 AM
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The press has treated Meghan terribly unfairly.
However, that is the nature of the press. Catherine, Camilla, Letizia, and Mary all had their fair share of criticism from the press.
There is no pleasing them. One minute you are the media darling and the next minute the press turns on you for the sake of selling papers.
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Old 06-27-2019, 10:57 AM
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A very good and true comment, Pranter. The British press played a bad hand with the Sussexes. Although KP officials isn’t innocent either. The way they’ve handled some things wasn’t for the best, IMO. Although I understand things got tough because of the way the royal couple was being treated by the press.

Anyone who thinks Harry is not in charge of contact with the media is deluding themselves, he's been openly protective of Meghan since day one, watch him at their various engagements/walk abouts. He's been seen at least twice I can recall telling the press off (nicely) for not being considerate etc.

KP has made errors, all press offices make errors in how they handle things...but ultimately regardless what KP does or doesn't do ..Harry (and Meghan) are gonna decide how they deal with the press. I don't see any member of the family pressuring him to do otherwise either.

The media would be wise to step back and rethink how they approach this situation. The more pressure they put on them, I think the more they will dig in heels. They do allow some press (baby introduction, engagement interview etc) that they trust it seems. They are generally friendly to press at these public engagements as well. Meghan has been criticized for it (of course).


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Old 06-27-2019, 11:18 AM
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The press has treated Meghan terribly unfairly.
However, that is the nature of the press. Catherine, Camilla, Letizia, and Mary all had their fair share of criticism from the press.
There is no pleasing them. One minute you are the media darling and the next minute the press turns on you for the sake of selling papers.
That’s true, but it’s been different with, Meghan. Of course, I know why, but I hope the press will learn to put those feelings to aside and give, Meghan, the time and space to carve her own path within “The Firm.” She deserves that fairness.
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The press has treated Meghan terribly unfairly.
However, that is the nature of the press. Catherine, Camilla, Letizia, and Mary all had their fair share of criticism from the press.
There is no pleasing them. One minute you are the media darling and the next minute the press turns on you for the sake of selling papers.
The problem is that Meghan was never the media darling. They pounced on her from the start and it has only gotten worse since. Not even pregnancy or the birth of her first child has come with any reprieve.
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Old 06-27-2019, 01:03 PM
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The problem is that Meghan was never the media darling. They pounced on her from the start and it has only gotten worse since. Not even pregnancy or the birth of her first child has come with any reprieve.
That's also the nature of the beast. Catherine didn't get any respite until sometime after Charlotte was born, and Letizia still serves as a frequent target for the Spanish press. It's what gets the clicks. Time will tell how this all plays out with Meghan.
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That's also the nature of the beast. Catherine didn't get any respite until sometime after Charlotte was born, and Letizia still serves as a frequent target for the Spanish press. It's what gets the clicks. Time will tell how this all plays out with Meghan.
Beatrice and Eugenie have been targets for most of their adult lives as have Märtha-Louise, Madeleine, Caroline, Stephanie etc... Peel away the racism, classism, ageism and we get to what's really at the centre of it all - misogyny.
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Old 06-27-2019, 01:23 PM
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That's also the nature of the beast. Catherine didn't get any respite until sometime after Charlotte was born, and Letizia still serves as a frequent target for the Spanish press. It's what gets the clicks. Time will tell how this all plays out with Meghan.
I can't agree. That the focus and criticism remains primarily on Meghan during maternity leave, especially when William and Catherine are out and about, speaks to another level of vitriol, imo.
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That's also the nature of the beast. Catherine didn't get any respite until sometime after Charlotte was born, and Letizia still serves as a frequent target for the Spanish press. It's what gets the clicks. Time will tell how this all plays out with Meghan.
Yes you have a good point. Although, I reckon that British press is really more keen with Meghan compared to all that's mentioned. But yes, time will only tell. It's still her 1st year though. Hoping for the best.
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The press was fairly chill with Kate during her pregnancies. I can’t recall the over the top attacks like they do with Meghan. Please correct me if I’m wrong. I think that’s what surprised me the most. The nastiness during her pregnancy and now maternity leave. And then they have the gall to act surprised the Sussexes keep their distance.

I know negativity sells but Archie wasn’t even a week old before he experienced his first taste of nastiness directed at him. I guess this is just their future. At least they know now more than ever. So they will do what’s needed to protect their family. Who can blame them?
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Personally, I think it’s fine that Harry and Meghan are criticized by the press, especially when it comes to how much money they spend, and how they run their patronages. And there’s a difference between the press being critical and a blogger being mean.
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Personally, I think it’s fine that Harry and Meghan are criticized by the press, especially when it comes to how much money they spend, and how they run their patronages. And there’s a difference between the press being critical and a blogger being mean.
There is a difference between criticism and omitting, twisting, or making up factual information to push a narrative.

There seems to be an insatiable thirst for more at this point. So I don't know if just sitting down for a luncheon is enough or help rather.
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Old 06-27-2019, 04:59 PM
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Personally, I think it’s fine that Harry and Meghan are criticized by the press, especially when it comes to how much money they spend, and how they run their patronages. And there’s a difference between the press being critical and a blogger being mean.


Sorry but
A; What’s it got to do with us how much money they spend? Charles pays for Meghan and Henry’s clothes, doesn’t come via the taxpayer in anyway so..
B; How they run their patronages? You do understand that they don’t run most of their patronages right. Even Sentebale and The Royal Foundation aren’t run on a day to day basis by the HRHs. So again why the criticism for something they don’t control?

Tabloid madness.
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Personally, I think it’s fine that Harry and Meghan are criticized by the press, especially when it comes to how much money they spend, and how they run their patronages. And there’s a difference between the press being critical and a blogger being mean.
They don't "run" their patronages. So now even sure what you are talking about and as for money... I think that has been covered plenty.
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