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I googled my first question and it said Lancaster won because of Henry VII. I think officially that is right but in a way I see both of the sides winning because Lancaster became King and York it's queen, and their children obliterated the individual houses by uniting them.
I do wonder if one reason Henry and Elizabeth worked so well to end the wars was because they were but at the same time weren't true figureheads of the houses, she was a woman and he was barely a Lancaster.
The main reason I thought Lancaster had the better kings was because Henry IV V and VII. Edward IV did seem to be a good king and military man but his marriage kind of doomed the House of York.
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Example of being young being passed over -Arthur of Brittany was the son of Geoffrey son of Henry II. Geoffrey was the younger brother of Richard the Lionhearted but older brother to John. When Richard died the English nobles backed John instead of Arthur who was a young child. Arthur was backed by Philip of France was then captured by John and died in mysterious circumstances similar to what happened with the princes in the tower and Richard III.
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Hmm...
I think Lancaster won because while Henry VIII may not have been a Lancaster himself, he had been identified as the heir to the Lancasters. The Lancasters may have died out, and in the male-line they certainly had, but in Henry they had a relatively close blood relative who they named as heir - similar to how later on the Tudors would die out in the male-line, but would be succeeded by a Tudor descendant in James I.
The Lancasters won because it was the guy they chose who ended up on the throne. The Yorks lost because the guy they chose - be it Richard III, Edward, 17th Earl of Warwick, or the Poles - didn't end up on the throne.
I don't think the fact that Henry and Elizabeth were figureheads of the houses was actually as significant as people want to think. Henry was successful because he was able to decisively defeat Richard III at the Battle of Bosworth, putting himself in a power position when opposing the Yorkist rebellions that occurred during his (and later his son's) reign. The marriage was a reconciliation in that it gave the Yorkists who weren't happy with Richard III a reason to switch sides, but don't kid yourself - they were switching sides.
In looking at which House had the better monarchs, you're making a mistake including Henry VII. Henry was their heir, but he was a Tudor, not a Lancaster, monarch. Including him would be like saying that Edward VII was a Hanoverian monarch. Related to them, yes, but not of the house.
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Which son of Edward the Black Prince was the Bishop of Limoges godfather to: Prince Edward of Angouleme or Prince Richard of Bordeaux?
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Edward IV actively supported William Caxton's invention and popularization of the printing press.
In April 1444, Rene of Anjou met William de la Pole, the Earl of Suffolk, at the court of his brother-in-law Charles at Montils, near Tours.
The Earl of Suffolk proposed for Marguerite of Anjou on behalf of King Henry VI of England.
In February 1447, King Henry VI formally opened Parliament in the refectory of St. Edmund's Abbey.
In The Wars of the Roses, Alison Weir wrote:
From 1452 onwards the Queen (Margaret of Anjou) endeavoured to court popularity with the people, believing that the best way to earn it was by conquering Aquitaine and restoring peace to Henry's disturbed territories.
In Kings & Queens of England, Nigel Cawthorne wrote:
Henry VI was little interested in government. Instead he was very pious, concerned only with religious observance and education. As a result, his court was torn apart by rivalries between powerful ministers.
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Edward IV actively supported William Caxton's invention and popularization of the printing press.
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And it was his brother Richard III who removed the tax on imported books and accumulated an exceptional library which he obviously both read and understood in at least three languages: there are hand-written commentaries by him in many of them in those same three languages. 
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