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01-11-2008, 07:21 PM
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With Victoria's journals, they are currently a third of their original length. Here's a quote from Dennison, used from a copied extract made during Victoria's life: "I undressed as quickly as possible and then Singer, Peneyvre, Rebecca and Dehler set of for Woolwich. Skerrett and Margaret return to Osborne" Beatrice has written: "Undressed as quickly as possible, the maids having to leave for Woolwich." The close relationship Victoria had with her maids was deleted by Beatrice for posterity.
Furthermore, her destruction was preservation of Victoria's reputation. The queen wrote with vigour, force and confidence, and parts of her journal would have shocked the public and hurt her living relatives, especially material relating to the Kaiser, who was an unreliable friend of England even during the Edwardian period.
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07-06-2008, 07:45 PM
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In his biography of Princess Beatrice, Matthew Dennison makes reference to a portrait of Beatrice painted by Sohn. The portrait was painted a couple of years before Beatrice's marriage, and was apparently very unflattering. Dennison describes Beatrice as looking pudgy and quite unhappy in it, evidence of her increasing dissatisfaction of being designated as her mother's maiden caretaker.
Does anyone know where I can find a picture of this portait? Dennison did not include it in the biography. I'd like to see it and have been unable to locate it online.
Dennison refers to a Sohn portrait of Helena of Waldeck-Pyrmont (Leopold's wife) as being lovely; I have seen this painting and don't quite agree with his opinion. While not hideous, Helena's cheeks are overly rosy (it almost looks like acne) and she has a very strange expression on her face.
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07-23-2008, 11:59 AM
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Princess Beatrice in her bridal gown, 1885
http://i33.tinypic.com/f1z8na.jpg
* Many thanks to my friend, Lynn for coloring it * although her version does not show a diamond necklace :P
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10-06-2008, 05:27 PM
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I just got done with the Matthew Dennison book and while it was good, I fond that it was more about QV then about Beatrice. Many of the feeling and accounts of what happened came from QV's journals. Another thing was that he only wrote about 3 or 4 chapters about the Battenburgs when married. They were married for 10 years. This book also put QV as a very selfish woman. And I kinda have to agree with him on this one.
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10-22-2014, 10:40 PM
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Queen Victoria had a dark room installed at her home on the Isle of Wight as photography was a hobby of Princess Beatrice's.
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12-10-2017, 09:03 PM
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Princess Beatrice laid a wreath on the Cenotaph on the fourteenth anniversary of the first great Battle of Ypres.
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12-10-2017, 09:19 PM
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I would imagine she did this because that is when and where her youngest son was killed - Ypres Salient in 1914 (27th October).
I love the fact that his grave is no different to any other known British or Commonwealth soldier from the wars - same headstone, same design on it - unit, name, rank, age, cross and the optional wording from the family (the last at the bottom had to be paid for by the family at so much per letter - my family didn't put one on my great-grandfather's grave and the discussion two years ago was that we would never agree - and now every living descendant has to agree for it to be added).
This is an image at the bottom of this page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince..._of_Battenberg and if you click on the image you can see what I mean in more detail. All Commonwealth War Graves look like this, except for those at Gallipoli (as far as I am aware) as the soil there couldn't hold them upright so they lie down. There may be some other places where they lie them down but still with the same formula. The British have their unit badges while the Aussies have the rising sun, the Kiwis the fern, the Canadians the maple leaf, the South Africans a springbok. The exception are those who have earned the Victoria Cross as that is used to replace the unit badge. Each soldier also had the option on no religious emblem or a Jewish or Muslim one if they so desire. It was on one of the many forms they filled in either on enlistment or on embarkation. If it is the grave of an unknown soldier it will have the cross and 'Known Unto God' at the bottom - no family needed to pay for that one of course.
Sorry gone OT but I do hope people won't mind.
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07-23-2018, 10:17 PM
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On July 22, 1885 Prince Henry was granted the style Royal Highness to give him equal rank with his wife. Why did this style not take effect in the German Empire where Henry was still considered a Serene Highness?
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07-24-2018, 03:05 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CyrilVladisla
On July 22, 1885 Prince Henry was granted the style Royal Highness to give him equal rank with his wife. Why did this style not take effect in the German Empire where Henry was still considered a Serene Highness?
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Apparently, it was usual that styles granted by foreign monarchs were not effective in Germany. The HRH granted by King Leopold I of Belgium to German members of his family was also unrecognized there.
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10-26-2019, 09:53 AM
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Today is the 75th anniversary of Princess Beatrice's death, in October 1944. Below is a biography piece published in Royalty Monthly back in 1999 about her relationship with her mother.
From Warren's Collection...
"Victoria's youngest was mainstay of the royals"
Author: Monica Heary
Source: The Daily Telegraph
Published: April 29, 1995
"Beatrice: A life of sacrifice as mother's little helper"
Author: Brenda Ralph Lewis
Source: Royalty Monthly
Published: January 1999
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11-02-2019, 06:49 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Iluvbertie
I would imagine she did this because that is when and where her youngest son was killed - Ypres Salient in 1914 (27th October).
I love the fact that his grave is no different to any other known British or Commonwealth soldier from the wars - same headstone, same design on it - unit, name, rank, age, cross and the optional wording from the family (the last at the bottom had to be paid for by the family at so much per letter - my family didn't put one on my great-grandfather's grave and the discussion two years ago was that we would never agree - and now every living descendant has to agree for it to be added).
This is an image at the bottom of this page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince..._of_Battenberg and if you click on the image you can see what I mean in more detail. All Commonwealth War Graves look like this, except for those at Gallipoli (as far as I am aware) as the soil there couldn't hold them upright so they lie down. There may be some other places where they lie them down but still with the same formula. The British have their unit badges while the Aussies have the rising sun, the Kiwis the fern, the Canadians the maple leaf, the South Africans a springbok. The exception are those who have earned the Victoria Cross as that is used to replace the unit badge. Each soldier also had the option on no religious emblem or a Jewish or Muslim one if they so desire. It was on one of the many forms they filled in either on enlistment or on embarkation. If it is the grave of an unknown soldier it will have the cross and 'Known Unto God' at the bottom - no family needed to pay for that one of course.
Sorry gone OT but I do hope people won't mind.
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I don't mind at all. In fact I think it's very interesting & deeply moving. The phrase "Known unto God" was Kipling's of course. He lost his son at Loos.
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01-22-2022, 08:11 PM
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Princess Beatrice opened Victory Circus in 1919.
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