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Old 09-21-2016, 10:41 PM
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That was not unusual when the mother was unmarried and is a clear sign that the child was illegitimate.
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Old 09-22-2016, 04:44 AM
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And what's this "the man who shoudl have been King?" stuff? He would not have been King..
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Old 09-22-2016, 04:57 AM
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Yeps. There was absolutely no way possible that anyone that claims to be the son of Edward VIII/Duke of Windsor would ever have been in the line of succession. Even if sired during the period when Edward VIII was King, he was not legitimately born. After the abdication, it was expressed stated that any children would not be in any way in the line of succession.

I seriously think this is all blowing smoke. Even if it was proven that this guy was Edward's "love child" it would still amount to nothing.
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Old 09-22-2016, 03:57 PM
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I'm usually quite skeptical of these claims. However, the photo to the left of Edward VIII, at the beginning of the article, does put me in mind of George VI. I thought that the Duke of Windsor was sterile due to having the mumps.
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Old 09-22-2016, 04:05 PM
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Not proven. He might have been, but unless he actually tried to have kids, one coud not really say. And I should imagine that he never tried. He would not IMO want to father illegitimate children, and would probably expect mistresses to take precautions...and I don't think he and Wallis evr wanted a family...
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Old 09-22-2016, 05:35 PM
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I know of at least two families here in Australia who have children fathered by Edward on his tour in 1921. One lived not far from where I grew up and her school fees were paid for by BP and she received cards and money from Edward every year on her birthday and for Christmas. They never actually said he was her father and the line put out was that he was sending the cards to a child whose grandparents had entertained him for a week on that tour and he had gone shooting and done other things a young prince would enjoy in rural Australia. The girl was born 9 months after that week and the parents weren't engaged until nearly three months after the visit and married less than a month after that so she was pregnant when she married. Locally is was well believed that Edward was the father. As far as I am aware there was no acknowledgement as such but there was this regular payment.

The other story relates to a similar situation in Qld from a boy born there 9 months after Edward stayed at the home but I don't know of any payments being made or anything like that.
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Old 09-23-2016, 01:32 PM
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So it's possible then.
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Old 09-23-2016, 05:21 PM
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I would be dubious.
People can say or hint things, or infer from the fact that a child was born 9 months after David was visiting. But it isn't proof.
I THINK that he would have been careful with women, because Im sure that George V would have been narky about affairs (even if he had pre marital sexual things himself) and if there had been a pregnancy resulting from an affair he would have been smoking furious.
While Contraception wasn't perfect by then it was reasonably good, - a lot better than it had been in George Vs day) and if a girl got pregnant by David I'd say it was because he or she was careless/wanted it to happen.
David was afraid of his father, so I doubt if he would have let more than 1 girl get pregnant..Maybe once, there might be an accident and probalby after huffing and puffing George V would have paid up to avoid scandal, but I'd say that he would have given his son a rare telling off and scared him off doing it again.
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Old 09-23-2016, 07:29 PM
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The payments to the girl/women/child near my home town continued until Edward died in 1972. Why - I don't know but every year a card and money for birthday and Christmas from Edward - very suggestive.

Contraceptive aren't full-proof today - no way they were 100 years ago.
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Old 09-23-2016, 08:33 PM
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I remember reading some correspondence between Edward and his longterm mistress before Thelma, Wallis etc, Freda Dudley Ward, and at one point in about 1922 Edward became extremely excited because it appeared that Freda might be pregnant, presumably by him. It was a false alarm, but if it had happened her husband would no doubt have been persuaded to acknowledge the child as his.

It's remarkable that during all the years of that particular affair there was only one such incident, and yet Edward is supposed to have travelled the Empire in the 1920's spreading his seed here, there and everywhere, with babies being born (there were supposed illegitimates in Canada in the 1920's too.)

In a pre-DNA age paternity was impossible to really prove. Edward may have believed in several of these cases that he was the father (he appeared pathetically happy when he thought Freda was pregnant) when it wasn't the case at all, and in fact a boyfriend or other male was responsible.
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Old 09-24-2016, 02:44 AM
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In a pre-DNA age paternity was impossible to really prove. Edward may have believed in several of these cases that he was the father (he appeared pathetically happy when he thought Freda was pregnant) when it wasn't the case at all, and in fact a boyfriend or other male was responsible.
I wouldn't have put him down for a man who was very keen ot be a father? But perhaps if It were Freda's child -he was very fond of her, and he would have had the fun side of fatherhood without any of the work or responsibility. Freda's husband would likely have agreed to acknowledge paternity and Ed would have had a child without any hard work!
I always found it hard to imagine that he would have "married a suitable girl" and had kids, that he would have to have some real input and work with.. or that he and Wallis would have children. They struck me as SO selfishly and weirdly wrapped up in each other.. (or at least he was with her) that they wouldn't want children.
But maybe if he was with Wallis, while he adored her, he did miss having a child?
he was said to be very fond of Freda DW's daughters.
but there are always stories about royals, that they have fathered children and it is impossilbe to say and easy to make up something.. Hint that a child is the royals' offspring....-and that the family have been given money to pay for its education or what have you...
or gossip around the teatables that Little Mrs X was friendly with the prince when he was visiting, and that she produced a baby - well just about 9 months after his departure ec...
Or that Miss So and so left town a few months after he was on a tour in X...
Gossip and newspapers love such stories but they are not proven,.
I just do feel that he wasn't very fertile.. not through mumps or anything but just not everyone is as fertile as everyone else..
George VI and Q Eliz only had the 2 daughters when they would have problaby liked a son... and it was a few years before they had teir first child.
So perhaps Edward suspected he wasn't the most fertile man and that's why he was pleased that he might have fathered a child with Freda
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Old 09-24-2016, 03:04 AM
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Yes, I agree. There are always rumours swirling around Royal tours, especially in those days when local bigwigs like squatters (big landowner sheep farmers) competed with each other to give balls and parties and picnics in honour of the Royal guest(s.) Dozens of guests and the prettiest girls in the district who could be invited. Of course, some couldn't.

With regard to Bertie Duke of York and his wife Elizabeth, I always thought their family was limited because, unlike her mother who had an enormous family, Elizabeth had to have Caesarians for her two girls. In those days (and even later) the advice given to women who had to have Caesarians was 'two babies and no more'.
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Old 09-24-2016, 04:34 AM
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YesWith regard to Bertie Duke of York and his wife Elizabeth, I always thought their family was limited because, unlike her mother who had an enormous family, Elizabeth had to have Caesarians for her two girls. In those days (and even later) the advice given to women who had to have Caesarians was 'two babies and no more'.
I think that's probably why they stopped at the 2 girls but also it was 3 years before Eliz was born and then 4 years later before Margaret arrived. So I suspect that either they deliberately limited their family because - well who knows? Perhaps they were a few years conceiving Eliz and then after the Caesarian they were waiting a few more years before putting her through all that again.. but I'm sure they would have liked a son.
Or perhaps they weren't that fertile a couple, and had difficulty conceiving babies.
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Old 09-24-2016, 04:53 AM
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Yes, I agree. There are always rumours swirling around Royal tours, especially in those days when local bigwigs like squatters (big landowner sheep farmers) competed with each .

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well David was a handsome young prince and future king. There may have been a few young ladies who would count their (unmarried) virtue well lost to have a fling with him, and maybe to bear him a child. (after all, they would problably be able to make up some story, and there would be financial support etc in exchange for discretion.
But I still feel that David would not have been up for having kids out of wedlock if only because of G V's certain fury and disapproval.
So I suspect that there was some boasting indirectly, by allowing hints to float around..that the Prince sent a birthday card to a child every year...
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Old 09-24-2016, 05:14 AM
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Don't forget the money and paying the school fees at a private boarding school and continuing to pay the child for over 50 years.

Without ever using the term 'father' the acknowledgement was understood locally that the child was Edward's and that he was ensuring she was supported without being allowed to call him 'Dad'.

If Edward hadn't slept with the mother why would he pay for the next 50+ years?
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Old 09-24-2016, 05:43 AM
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well David was a handsome young prince and future king. There may have been a few young ladies who would count their (unmarried) virtue well lost to have a fling with him, and maybe to bear him a child. (after all, they would problably be able to make up some story, and there would be financial support etc in exchange for discretion.
But I still feel that David would not have been up for having kids out of wedlock if only because of G V's certain fury and disapproval.
So I suspect that there was some boasting indirectly, by allowing hints to float around..that the Prince sent a birthday card to a child every year...
I don't know if Edward/David fathered any of the people being discussed, but he did not have a good relationship with George V and a big part was his non-adherence to his father's wishes and ways of doing things.
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Old 09-25-2016, 02:07 AM
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I don't know if Edward/David fathered any of the people being discussed, but he did not have a good relationship with George V and a big part was his non-adherence to his father's wishes and ways of doing things.
I don't think he would willingly have let himself in for a serious telling off by his father..
yes over smaller things like how he dressed, his partying, etc he would stand up to him... because he had some "backing" from his contemporaries for "dressing like a cad" as George put it.
But over an issue like fathering children, I don't think so. George would have to know, and he would be raging -and even David's friends/brothers would problaby disapprove and say that he should be more careful, as nowadays having illegitimate children wasn't acceptable.
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Old 09-25-2016, 06:28 AM
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George V was blowing his stack over how Edward and others dressed, women wearing nail polish and other such things. He was so over the top over those things that I don't think his apoplexy over one of his sons having an out-of-wedlock child could amount to anything much greater. I just don't see Edward getting hot and heavy with a woman, or planning to get hot and heavy with a woman, and the thing that caused him to take precautions was incurring the wrath of his father or brothers. He did not seem to be worried about incurring the wrath of his father nor his brothers when his father was very ill and he chose to not to immediately return to England.

As far as his brothers were concerned, one was allegedly a drug-addicted bisexual who had one or more children with a woman/women he was not married to.
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Old 09-25-2016, 06:50 AM
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George V was blowing his stack over how Edward and others dressed, women wearing nail polish and other such things. He was so over the top over those things that I don't think his apoplexy over one of his sons having an out-of-wedlock child could amount to anything much greater. I just don't see Edward getting hot and heavy with a woman, or planning to get hot and heavy with a woman, and the thing that caused him to take precautions was incurring the wrath of his father or brothers. He did not seem to be worried about incurring the wrath of his father nor his brothers when his father was very ill and he chose to not to immediately return to England.

As far as his brothers were concerned, one was allegedly and drug-addicted bisexual who had one or more children with a woman/women he was not married to.
Well yes it could. His fussing about men wearing modern clothes or women dressing in short skirts was something that had become old fashioned by the time he did it.. but one of the sons doing something so daft as have an illegitimate child would be something that would have been a scandal. I don't believe that David wanted them himself... so he'd problaby expect his girlfriends to take precautions.. it was different with Freda DW because she was a long term mistress and had a husband albeit separated.
I haven't heard of the D of Kent having children by anyone except his wife. he did have a drug problem and yes he was involved in sexual affairs with men, but these were things that could be concealed..to a large extent. A child is a living breathing "problem".
I dont beleive that the Duke's affairs or his drug taking were known outside society circles, but a child, esp if born to some girl outside the royal circle who might not "know the rules" woudl IMO be much more dangerous. I suppose as I said, it might have happened, perhaps once, but if So George woud have fumed, rowed and finally paid up with what he hoped was a tight agreement that it would be kept secret... But I dont think there would be more than one.
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